ドラマ『フェンス』の魅力
せーの What's up, amazing people? This is iYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan Japanese and English.
はいたーい
ぐすーよーちゅーがなびら、イヤササ レディオのアカネとミナミアイビーン。
このレディオでぐすーよんかい、イヤーイゴとチナーグチサーニ、いっぺーむさるはなし、ルディケーンアンディチ、ウムトーイビーン。
はい、はい。
ということで、今日は記事じゃなくて、ドラマレビュー回。
アカネとミナミが最近見たドラマフェンスについて。
めっちゃ面白かった。
You watched last week?
Yeah.
もうなんか、I watched like last months.
I re-watched with the Netflix screen.
100倍速ぐらい指でこんなしてからなぞってみた。
informative
to go to Okinawa. There was something strange about Sakura's day off, so I had to look into the background of the incident.
I visited the so-called U.S. military base's gate town, the so-called Koza, and went to the cafe bar Moai run by Sakura.
As I approached the tourists, I heard that Sakura's grandmother, Yoshida Taiko, was participating in the Peace Movement as an Okinawan war veteran,
and that her father was a U.S. soldier. On the other hand, I met a police officer from Okinawa Prefecture,
Isa Kanefumi, who was a guest when I was working at a cafe bar in Tokyo, and learned about the harsh reality of U.S. military crime.
Eventually, I arrived at a heart that was entwined with the complicated situation in Okinawa.
By the way, the name is very Okinawan, isn't it?
Miyabu.
Isa Kanefumi is the name of the creator, isn't it?
Yes, I think so.
I feel like I've made a lot of Okinawan dramas and movies, but I see them with quite strict eyes.
But this drama was quite realistic.
I thought so.
If it was over, I would definitely complain about it.
I thought it was strange that they didn't do that kind of thing in that place.
But this was quite realistic.
Also, it was good that there were a lot of Okinawans.
Yes, that's right.
Almost all of them were Okinawans.
There were a lot of people I knew, so it was like acting, but it wasn't like acting.
キャストとリアリティ
There was also Akari.
There was also Nikki.
There were a lot of people I usually saw.
But normally, there aren't many people who are happy that Yui Aragaki is in the drama.
And she's in the role of a person from Okinawa.
And there were other friends who reacted to Gacky.
They were like, oh, Gacky was in the drama.
In Okinawan dramas, it's either too local and you only know people from Okinawa,
or the main character is a person from the mainland.
More than 50 people were from Okinawa.
Okinawa. Local.
Sorry, I'll say it again.
More than 50 people were Okinawans.
Local Okinawans.
And they did research for over 100 people in Okinawa.
Yeah, so there was a lot of research.
There was a lot of research.
Takarajima was also done at the same time.
Have you seen it yet?
I haven't seen it yet.
Like I said earlier, I felt a lot of local DNA.
I haven't seen it because Minami said it.
It was very expensive.
It's a really good movie in terms of budget.
I saw this at the same time, so I felt a bit of local capitalism.
Anyway, the main character is this black mix.
Do you say black mix?
I don't know, but...
They say it. Black is mixed.
I don't know if it's a word that doesn't make sense.
The fact that this girl is the main character is also a kimo, right?
It's not a white mix. It's a black mix.
It's not a white yellow mix.
I think the black mix was an easy-to-express role.
Rather than looking back one episode at a time...
Each episode is like a lecture.
It's not like a line. What do you call it?
Explanation.
It's like, what do you mean by a one-on-one agreement?
There's a lot of instant scenes like that.
It's like, oh, I learned this.
It's a bit of a revenge for people who don't know.
It's like, oh, this is what's going on in Okinawa.
It's like a look back.
It's an interesting development as a drama.
But it's got that information in it.
It might be good for people who can't study.
That's right.
It's easy to understand.
It's not against the U.S. military base.
It's like, what's going to happen when a riot by the U.S. military happens.
The difficulty of not being able to study easily.
物語の設定とキャラクター
The main characters are in this half-district.
There's a lot of half-districts, right?
It's kind of unique.
It's not common.
That's right.
It's the role of someone who works at a defense station in Henokokichi.
It's like we can't do anything about it.
It's a story about a construction company making money.
It's like, you can't say that much.
That's it.
Mr. Ki.
Mr. Ki is a mixed Asian who grew up on the mainland.
In the end, I was in that kind of half-district.
沖縄の声と社会的圧力
From the perspective of a person from the mainland,
Why are people in Okinawa so quiet?
I don't like the bad things.
I wish I could say the wrong things.
There was something like that.
But people in Okinawa don't say it.
I can't say it.
I can't say it.
I can't say it.
The atmosphere.
There was an article about Uematsu Yoko, who wrote a book about Okinawa girls.
Okinawans don't claim to be strong.
It's in a relationship with the base.
It doesn't make sense to raise your voice every time.
Rather, it makes it harder to live.
It's not that I don't have an opinion.
As time goes by, I get used to it.
I dare not say it.
What do you think?
That's right.
It's more than I want to say.
The more I look into it, the more I think it's meaningless to say it.
That's right.
It's bigger than us.
Even if we debate or oppose something, it doesn't change.
It's a problem that I want to give up.
Akane often says, everyone doesn't have time.
We're busy living, but we don't have time to move on the base issue or the rape case.
Only experts move.
Some activists are always moving.
But they are not reflecting the majority of the people in Okinawa.
Or the media is always saying.
That's right.
Objectively, this is what the news is saying.
It's not the influencer, but it's the point of view of the activists.
It's completely different from asking your friends what they think.
個人的な経験と基地の影響
It doesn't matter.
Do you understand?
That's right.
I think there are more indifferent people.
For example, a close friend of mine was raped by the US military.
If there is such a thing, isn't it?
It's different.
It's the opposite of the base.
It's the opposite of the base.
In the end, it's the opposite of the base.
Even while coexisting.
For example, I don't know my father because I'm half Japanese.
Even if I go to the US, I feel insecure.
I have such an experience, so I don't have a good image of the military.
There was a scene like that.
I had to do it because I was going to rape my family with PTSD.
I think there are many people like that.
Based on personal experience, there may be people who have a strong opinion against the base.
I don't think there are many people who don't have much to do with their personal lives.
That's right.
More than that, I want the price of food to be cheaper.
That's what the general public wants.
I went to Kansai a long time ago.
I went to a movie called Far Away.
I think there are places where people with similar circumstances live.
I think there are places where people with similar circumstances live.
There was a scene where I was very poor and had to raise a child.
It was the same in this drama and in Takarajima.
It's because it's based on social issues, but it's dark.
Yeah, it's dark.
Why are you always in Okinawa?
When I raise the issue of Okinawa, I want the people in Okinawa to see it.
I think the thoughts of the people in Okinawa will come in.
I don't think I can handle the U.S. military base issue unless I put the child in the center.
If this is a chatan, why is it a chatan?
What about the child seat? The child seat is the Mecca.
And get angry.
And if you put it in Naha, what?
It's completely different.
After all, I think there is only a child seat.
That's right.
There were a lot of incidents in that culture.
There was also a child seat riot.
Gate 2 is a mixture of the U.S. military base issue and the residents.
アメリカ軍基地の安全問題
But Gate 2 is still unsafe.
What do you mean by unsafe?
Like violence.
Is that so?
It's pretty normal for the U.S. military to violate each other.
Ah, the U.S. military.
It's still normal to be taken to the M.P.
That's because it's pretty normal for those kids to have a fight in a club.
It's also in the base.
What do you mean by unsafe?
I don't know.
It means that there are people who have a bad habit of drinking.
That's what it means.
Then if a Japanese person is hit, it will be a big problem.
But after all, there is only a child seat.
Even in the dark, if you want to raise this issue, you have to go to the child seat.
That's how central it is.
But I want to tell you about these problems.
For us locals, it's a big problem.
アメリカンジョークの諸問題
70% of the U.S. military bases in Japan are in Okinawa.
When such an incident occurs, the only thing you can do is to pick up a fight.
On the other hand, I'm very happy.
I often watch American dramas.
I always think it would be nice to have a more black joke.
Too serious?
There are characters who make it a very tough joke.
It's like, this guy is saying a lot of crazy things.
I think there are a lot of works that have good jokes.
If you put in an idea like Minami said, you'll probably get hit.
It's a drama that makes a line that doesn't get hit.
I want to solve the problem without hurting anyone.
I really like this work.
I'm going to digress a little, but recently I've been watching American dramas.
Even in a bad situation, it's good to turn it into a joke.
It's the same in South America.
I took an episode of Venezuela in the past.
I don't think any tragedy can be turned into a joke.
I always think that way of drawing is good.
沖縄の現実
If you think about it now, if you make a joke on this fence,
the person who made it will cry.
Huh?
You might be like that.
Don't make fun of me.
So, in the end, the scriptwriter who has the most power in this work,
I wonder if that's what happens when Okinawan people get mixed up.
I think that's why you put in Okinawan people.
So you don't get angry?
I think it's so you don't get angry.
You put Okinawan people in the song, you put them in the role, you use their names.
If it's a movie made by a person who doesn't live there,
you have to include them.
I agree with that.
Even if I cry, I'll do it.
If it's a joke, it's a little dangerous.
Because it's a national issue.
I see.
Wait, I don't have a specific idea to make a joke on the fence,
but if you look at this fence from a distance,
it's so dark.
Does it end with a dark feeling?
I don't know if it's the Japanese way of thinking,
but if you draw it in a dark way, you can take the problem seriously.
That's right.
I want people to know that Okinawa is a dark place.
I think there's that too.
I think everyone knows by now.
It's not just a resort.
The one where everyone poses on the day of the funeral.
It's not just the blue sea.
It's a poor, rape, American base, dark island.
I'm a little full to draw that contrast.
We're doing this kind of thing, too.
But it hasn't been transmitted yet.
I think there are a lot of people who don't know anything about moving to Okinawa.
I see.
Yeah.
My relatives who live outside of the prefecture say,
I want to see Okinawa. It looks like it's easy to raise children.
The sea is close, and it looks like it's kind to everyone.
I'm right, but I don't know if there's a job.
I don't know if it's really easy to raise children.
It's realistic.
I thought I'd make a judgment after knowing this.
Because I don't know anything.
But a lot of people say they're going back to the prefecture for the third year.
People in the prefecture.
I don't want to live without family.
Okinawa?
You don't have a family?
No.
You don't have a family?
No, I don't.
If you were from Osaka.
If the people of Okinawa are kind, I might think about it.
It depends on the job.
生活困窮層への支援
If it's a tourism business, Okinawa is good.
That's true.
I don't know. I'm just at home.
Even if you think about the level of education and the price of vegetables, it's easier to live in the countryside.
I feel good.
It's a little far away, but I'll tell you a story.
I was running a children's cafeteria.
There was another organization.
It was a commission from the government.
There was a person who distributed medicine to a very poor person.
That person basically took the rice.
The person who distributed the medicine told the person to keep the rice.
There was a person who made a reservation at a rice shop.
The poor people asked this person for rice.
They've been depending on this person for years, but they don't try to improve it.
The person who received the rice.
If you're so poor that you can't even get rice, what kind of life do you live?
Some people get 400,000 yen a month for their living expenses.
Some people go out to drink.
Some people have a license and a car.
Some people want rice.
It's a mystery.
Recently, I've been thinking about what happens to people who give rice to people in need.
There are various opinions on how to protect your life.
Some people are really poor.
I think there are a lot of people who are living a normal life.
But there are also a certain number of people in society who want to help people in need.
I don't want to give them rice, but I want to give them rice, so I'm giving them rice.
It's the same as feeding a cat.
I think it's okay if you don't feed it.
If you don't feed it, it won't be able to sleep at night.
I wonder what happened to that cat.
It was having fun, but the cat ran away.
When you're trying to help someone, you have to decide how many people to help.
For example, you have to decide how many people to help and how many children you have in your area.
You've already decided on rice.
You don't even do vegetables.
By helping people as much as you can, you can save yourself.
You don't have to feel guilty about yourself.
You don't have to feel guilty about yourself.
I think we're both equal because we give rice to each other.
After all, there is no position.
Akane said that people who receive rice live a rich life.
I think there are a lot of people like that.
I thought it was strange.
I thought it was stupid.
Which one?
Both.
I'm really in trouble like I drew in the picture.
I don't think it's a relationship where there are people who want to help.
I think everyone is equal.
Use it as a system.
For example, let's say you're trying to have a baby.
If you're a single mother, you can get 10 million yen for one person.
Don't you think about getting a divorce?
It's like that.
It's about how to get on with the system.
I heard that Yumeisaku is getting a divorce.
The husband said,
I heard that Yumeisaku is getting a divorce.
I heard that Yumeisaku is getting a divorce.
The system uses our heads.
It's not just an individual's fault.
It's the government's fault.
It's about how to get on with the system.
It's not just about how to get on with the system.
It's about how to get on with the system.
It's about how to get on with the system.
What are you talking about?
I can't take that.
You're getting 400,000 yen.
But I heard you need rice.
If you can get it for free, you might as well get it.
If you get 400,000 yen, don't you want to work anymore?
You can go to the bar and pay the rent in Okinawa.
You can get rice, right?
And I have a car. It's a life insurance.
I'm living a good life.
It's not poverty.
It's just a bunch of poor people.
It's just a bunch of poor people.
It's about people who are poor and don't have a place to go.
They can't go home.
Their parents are crazy and they don't have anyone to rely on.
I think there are a lot of people like that.
There were people like that around me.
I have an image.
If you don't talk to children or teenagers all the time,
they tend to worry faster.
There's a lot of trouble.
I think there are a lot of people who call that kind of call center.
You know, the ones who are stuck in the bathroom at the convenience store.
I think there are a lot of people who think they're pregnant or raped.
And when I was in my teens,
I didn't have a place to go home to my parents.
There's a lot of trouble.
But if you don't have a good parent,
you don't know who to rely on.
But I don't think you can say how good your parents are.
I think there's a meaning to that kind of hotline.
It's Yui Aragaki's essay.
子ども食堂の意義
Akane runs a children's cafeteria.
I don't think it has anything to do with rice people.
But your children's cafeteria isn't for middle schoolers, is it?
No, it's not.
It's like providing a third place.
Yes, it's more casual.
Have you ever heard of a child who can't eat?
It's not like they're doing it in a different place.
If you rent a house and run a hot spring,
I think they'll come.
But that's a child.
Yes, yes, yes.
I feel like they're doing their best.
It's like they're here to eat.
There was a child like that.
I think that kind of child is poor.
It's not like Cambodia or Mongolia.
If you go home, there's only ramen.
There are no parents.
There are children who don't eat properly.
There's a commonality.
They have cavities.
They have a lot of dislikes and dislikes.
Low weight.
There's a lot of that.
They don't seem to be taken care of.
After taking a bath.
They wash their heads properly.
Children have white spots.
That kind of thing.
That's sad.
It doesn't matter if you're an adult.
The poverty of children.
I think poverty and rape are linked.
Because there's no place to go.
I feel like they're looking for a place to stay.
They're jumping around in the sun.
It's dazzling.
But it doesn't matter.
レイプ事件の衝撃
In the rape scene,
I was surprised to see that hundreds of tests were stored there.
I was surprised to see that so many were stored there.
We'll have to wait a few more years to see if that's true.
But this is a place where you can see a lot of reports.
I have the key.
It's in the car.
Akane is in the car.
I want to eat something, but Akane has to go home at 12.30.
So I'll tell you again at 12.30.
What are you going to say?
Okay.
What should I say?
I was going to say something.
The story of the rape being preserved.
Ah.
I was living in Okinawa.
I was taking Japanese information.
There was a rape case in Okinawa by a US soldier.
Everyone ran back to the base.
You have the image that no one can catch you.
Yeah.
How should I put it?
There was a scene where I was really running in the base.
Like crossing the gate.
Is that really true?
Physically, it's true.
If you go abroad and run away for two hours, you won't be caught in that country.
I see.
I think it's true.
If a Russian runs away from an embassy in the United States, you can't be arrested because you're Russian.
I think it's normal to run away from the base as a defensive instinct.
Yeah.
But.
But the military understands that.
That's right.
It's taught.
If something happens, run to the base.
Don't do this. Don't do that.
Don't say it without permission.
Yeah.
I think that's true.
But.
I don't know.
I think it's better to interview all the police, journalists, and US soldiers in Japan.
If it's an American story that you're listening to,
I don't think you've ever heard anything like that.
I think that's what it is.
All I can say is that I'm being judged.
I think there are a lot of cases that haven't been solved.
Maybe there are.
People living outside Japan have their own homes.
You can do whatever you want.
I think there's a part of it.
But this is from the American perspective and the Okinawan perspective.
It's not like it doesn't matter.
It's a painful incident that's happening locally.
偏見と性犯罪の問題
It's just the end.
After all, this is a matter of the relationship between Okinawa and the Japanese government.
It's a matter of how the Japanese government will act against the United States.
There's a story that the regional agreement hasn't been resolved in a lifetime.
On the other hand, there is a possibility that it will be resolved in a way that is inconvenient for Japan.
Looking at the current Trump administration's thinking.
So it's not just about rape.
Let's not talk about the regional agreement.
First of all, men are animals that rape.
Part of it.
It's about how to protect yourself.
You have to learn what you can do on your own.
It's difficult, but if you really meet him.
At the end of this drama, the rapist was from the mainland.
He's not American.
He's a guy who works at a bar on the mainland.
I had an image that there was something like that.
By putting it out, I felt that the U.S. military was definitely not the culprit.
In this drama, the U.S. military is 90% biased.
In the end, the culprit was Japanese.
The effect of dissolving this bias.
Don't make this bad guy just an American.
But in terms of rape cases, there are more Japanese.
That's right. It's Japan.
So I think it was the last scene to remind me of that.
So the problem can be divided.
Whether it's a sexual crime against Americans.
There are also problems with sexual crimes on the street.
I don't know.
Of course, all the people who do it are bad.
I was talking to Akane before shooting.
People who can say no strongly and people who are not.
Because this woman is also divided.
But that's the growth and environment of women themselves.
That's how it's made.
That's the personality.
People who can say no and people who can't say no.
That's right. Like growing up.
How to be loved.
That's why I often show the clothes of people who were sexually harmed.
This kind of thing is dangerous.
There is an exhibition that reproduces the clothes of people who were sexually harmed.
Everyone is hiding their bodies in this place.
With long skirts.
There are a lot of women who criticize rape.
There are a lot of people who say,
There are a lot of people who say,
There are a lot of people who say,
I think it's an exhibition to overturn their bias.
I think it's an exhibition to overturn their bias.
I think it's an exhibition to overturn their bias.
I'm always curious about why women are so strict with women when this happens.
That's right.
It is 100% wrong to do it.
What are your countermeasures?
Or sexual education.
I want them to do sexual education.
Sex education is an association between women.
I don't want to be alone.
What do you do if you are raped?
Please tell me the procedure again.
Please tell me the procedure again.
I don't want my children to do it.
I don't want my children to do it.
And if they do, you can't tell them, right?
Yeah
It's embarrassing
So I'm going back to what I was saying earlier
If they ask you what kind of clothes you were wearing, you can't tell them, right?
Yeah
It's like, is it my fault?
Yeah
I'm sure there are people like that, like the police
The police are mostly men, right?
Yeah
I'm sure there are women involved in these cases
But I don't know what their thoughts are
I don't know until I open the lid
Yeah
If they say something bad even once
The younger you are, the more it gets stuck in your head
Yeah
You can't say it
You can't say it
It's the same with poverty
It's a cycle where everything opens up
Yeah
In the end
I feel like people who watch this kind of drama
are people from that world
Like Minami Naka
Yeah
People who are interested in certain social issues
People who like Okinawa so much
People who are interested in Okinawa
Yeah
I don't think it's about people who are drawn here
I think it's more about showing it to people outside of Okinawa
ドラマのテーマと表現
and making them think about it
Yeah
Yeah
That was my impression without an exit
Yeah
But as a drama, it's good
Yeah
The Okinawa issue
The Okinawa cast
did a lot of work
There was a lot of information
Yeah
As a suspense work
Akane revealed everything
There was a lot of back and forth
Finally
As an entertainment
Yeah
You have to do it
Yeah
But in the end
I thought it was a good drama to show at school
Yeah
It might be good to show it at school
Because it explains
Yeah
Even if you only remember that
It's quite educational
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
I might get a weird image of being against the base
I'm sure you will
Because that's the stance
Everyone is going to be against the base
I mean
Movies, newspapers, TV
Everything is against the base
Yeah
In the world
Yeah
SNS
The mainstream is mainly against the base
No matter how you do it
10s and 20s
They will definitely be liberal
Yeah
They will be against the base
That's not a bad thing at all
That can't be helped
So while drawing this problem
You can't claim that you are against the base
So in the future
Okinawa and
Okinawa people and
Americans working together
Fly black jokes
We are naked
Anything
Self-abandonment
A high level work will be released
Worldwide
We will be able to work together
Or maybe it's just people in Okinawa.
But I think that's what it's all about in the U.S.
It's a base problem, but
it's a way to make people laugh.
It's hard.
It's hard.
Am I the only one who finds it hard?
It's hard, isn't it?
Making people laugh?
No, I'm talking about this.
It's hard, it's hard.
It's a very deep problem.
Because you don't always have an answer.
You don't always have an answer.
I've talked about poverty before, but it's all just a small step in how we deal with it.
In the end, if you're poor, you can't get education.
And because of that, your parents can't get a job.
And the child born there has a lack of love.
And in the future, they'll be raped, and they won't be able to get a proper job.
And there are three or five children, and they'll be poor again.
And those children won't be able to get education.
That's all there is to it.
So I don't know about that.
In order to get out of that situation, there's no choice but to have a lot of people in Okinawa become business owners.
Or support for the government so that women can be independent.
I don't know about the rice we talked about earlier, but I don't know if the country will review the life-sustaining system or not.
Yeah.
But if you're caught up in the game like this, you'll be lost.
Like, I can't do anything.
But I think what Minaminaka can do is to do her best on her own.
Don't blame the social system.
What are you going to do?
Yeah.
Minaminaka didn't create this revolutionary system and say, if it's implemented, it'll be fixed.
It's the same with any politician.
Whether Trump does it or Takahashi does it, it's not like everything will be solved.
In the end, if there are people who listen to this,
That person has to be independent and open up on their own without being victimized.
That's what I think.
Akane said the other day, it doesn't make sense to stop thinking.
It doesn't make sense to raise your voice.
But I feel like I'm going to do that, so I'm going to make the problem bigger and bigger.
So for now, it's about spending today well.
Now.
That's right.
That's what it means.
The accumulation of that may lead to a rich future with good black jokes in decades and centuries.
That's true.
Did you get it?
I got it, but I don't know what to do.
I can't do anything about it.
I want you to watch the drama.
Then you'll understand what I'm talking about.
I hope you have an impression.
This drama is presenting too many problems.
That's right.
It's a beautiful way to put those problems together.
沖縄の問題と国防
It's overwhelming.
I don't know what to do.
As I said earlier, it's good for the people of Okinawa to take the problem seriously.
But I personally think it's better to think about how to do it.
First of all, let the people of Aichi know.
This is caused by the rape case.
But in the end, it leads to the issue of national security in Japan.
What do you think about that?
I may not be in this situation, but there is a possibility that I am.
For example,
I don't know what to say.
It's hard to say.
There was a lot of rape, poverty, discrimination, etc.
I don't think I'm in that group.
Objectively speaking, there is a possibility that I am.
I feel like there is a possibility.
Even if you're not in the group, there's a connection.
There must be a connection somewhere.
So I think it's good to watch it with that feeling.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's still on Netflix.
Please watch it.
Yes.
Bye-bye.
