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ひさぽん
旅好き 煩悩夫婦の道草食ってく、この番組は旅と住むことが大好き。
長野県に入住した夫婦が人生の寄り道をしながら感じたことを語る雑談形式のポッドキャストです。
かなえ
番組パーソナリティーの伊豆ぽんとかなえです。
小浜島への旅
かなえ
私たちは1月の27日に出発して折りたたみ自転車で沖縄県の八重山諸島を旅しています。
収録しているのは今日は2月の14日。バレンタインです。
ひさぽん
バレンタイン、バレンタイン、バレンタインなどでベリーターミナルに行ったらチケット買ったら係員さんからチョコレートもらえたよ。
かなえ
ロイズだよロイズ。
ひさぽん
ロイズ、石垣島ロイズ。
かなえ
黒糖チョコレート。
ひさぽん
黒糖チョコレートですよ。そういえばあれ食べてないの。まだ食べなきゃ。
かなえ
高級品を頂きました。
ひさぽん
頂きました。嬉しい。
かなえ
ありがとうございました。
ひさぽん
普通に嬉しい。八重山観光フェリーさん。
ありがとうございました。
ひさぽん
というわけで今日はどちらに行ってきたんですか?
かなえ
今日は小浜島に行ってきました。
ひさぽん
小浜島と言えば?
かなえ
チュラさんね。ドラマの朝ドラの。
ひさぽん
チュラさんね。
かなえ
今ね、ちょっとね、泊まっているゲストハウスに猫ちゃんがいて、猫ちゃんがおトイレに出してくれっていうので窓を開けに行きました。
ひさぽん
膝の上にももう一匹ね。
かなえ
そうそうそう。私の膝の上にもう一匹いるんだよね。
ひさぽん
今呼ばれたのでおトイレの道を作ってきましたよ。
かなえ
で、小浜島はね、周囲16.5キロ。
ひさぽん
うん。ちっちゃいね。
かなえ
ちっちゃい島。なんだけど結構アップダウンがあってね。
ひさぽん
そうだね。山勝ちの島でしたね。
かなえ
うん。なんかあの八重山諸島ってあの入表とか石垣以外の島は珊瑚礁でできてるから結構あの平らな。
ひさぽん
平らだね。竹炭とか黒ひもとかね。
かなえ
そうそうそう。まあなんか高さがあっても50メートルあるかないかぐらいのところなんだけど。
ひさぽん
ここも結構ね、山でしたね。
かなえ
そうそうそう。アップダウン結構ありましたね。
で、高速線で石垣島から30分ぐらいでね、着くんですけど。
そんなチュラさんの舞台になった島に行ってきました。
ひさぽん
チュラさんめっちゃ流行りましたね。
かなえ
ねえ、みんな見てたよね。
ひさぽん
ねえ、みんな見てたよね。
かなえ
そう、一番流行ったアサドラじゃないかな。
ひさぽん
そうだろうね。
かなえ
へえ。
あんまり内容覚えてないけどね。
そう、でも私たち小学生ぐらいだったよね。
ひさぽん
そうね。ゴーヤーマしか覚えてない。
かなえ
ガレッジセールが出てたよね。
ひさぽん
そうね、ゴリが出てたね。
かなえ
そんな感じですが。
ひさぽん
はいはいはい。
かなえ
はいはい。
ひさぽん
というわけで。
かなえ
結構アップダウンがあったから、あの結構今日は雨が降ったり止んだり。
ひさぽん
そうだね。もともとそんなにめっちゃ良い予報ではなくて、
でも結構観光客の人、みんな自転車借りて、結構な人数とすれ違ったよね。
かなえ
そうだね。結構観光客には今日金曜日でしたけどね。
結構多かったですね。
うんうん。
ひさぽん
みんなあの電動アシストの自転車で乗ってるから、
うちらが日々逆しんどいって言いながら、
かなえ
スーッて抜かれてくっていう。
おばちゃんにブチ抜かれるような。
そうそうそう。
あとはなんかアシストの自転車で、
アシストの自転車でね。
ひさぽん
アシストの自転車でね。
かなえ
そうそうそう。
あとはなんかK9クロスのね、
あの売り畳めを。
ひさぽん
ガファのね、売り畳め持ち込んでるおじさんがね、
一人いましたね。
かなえ
なっていう人もいたりして。
結構みんな自転車で回ってる人が多かったかな。
ひさぽん
うん。結構にぎわってましたね。
かなえ
レンタカーは全然いらないよね。
ひさぽん
レンタカーはいらないね。
かなえ
一台だけ見ましたよ、レンタカーね。
結構、なんだろう、
原付か電動アシスト自転車かがおすすめかな。
ひさぽん
でも原付もいらないくらいかな。
かなえ
そうだね。
ひさぽん
電動アシスト自転車で十分。
かなえ
十分十分。
ひさぽん
十分です。
ガジュマル探訪
かなえ
今日行ったところといえば、
島の北側に広木原っていうところがあって、
そこにガジュマルがね、
いたんだけど、それがすごい立派なガジュマルで、
私は感動しました。
すげえなと思って。
ガジュマル好きだからさ。
ガジュマル好きだよね。
結構、コケ玉とかさ、
売ってたりとかすると、
欲しくなっちゃったりするんだけど、
薬師場から連れて帰ってきたときもあったしね。
ひさぽん
あったね。
何て言ったらいいんだろう。
かなえ
コケ玉ですよ。
ひさぽん
コケ玉だよ。
かなえ
でもコケがね、カビ生えてちょっとダメになっちゃったりしたんだけどさ、
そのガジュマルがですよ、
すげえでかいの。
ひさぽん
広木原のガジュマル群落で、
竹富町指定の天然記念物理になってますね。
推定寿命は約300年と。
石灰岩、どでかいね石灰岩のね、
塊の上に根を生やしてね、
すごい大きくて、
ガジュマルとかってこう、
枝の先というかからもう、
根っこを地面に生やすんですけど、
それがもはや根っこってレベルじゃなくて幹。
枝からさらに幹が生えてるみたいな感じで、
神々しかったですね。
かなえ
すごい雰囲気良かった。
写真いっぱい撮ったけどさ、
写真じゃ全然伝わらないなっていう。
ぜひあそこは、
小浜にも行くんだったら見てほしいなっていう。
ひさぽん
そうね。
沖縄では精霊の宿りとして扱われているガジュマルですけど、
本当に神々しい、何かね、
神様と言っても差し支えられないぐらいのね、
幻のある姿でしたね。
良かった良かった。
かなえ
あとその後は、
西側のね、久保崎海岸。
細崎って書いて久保崎って読むらしいんですけど、
小浜島ってさ、
丸くないんだよね。
島の形が。
ちょっといびつな感じなんだよね。
台形?
ひさぽん
何だろうね。
何か脱出してる。
四足の動物が前足伸ばしてるみたいな、
そんな感じの場所があるんですけど。
かなえ
その前足の部分かな。
ちょっと半島みたいになってるところがあって、
そこに行ってきたんだよね。
ひさぽん
そうそうそう。
久保崎っていうところの、
お食事どころがあってね、
飯屋があんまり開いてなそうだなっていうのを察知して、
船着き場でね、
お土産屋のお姉さんに聞いてみたんですよね。
お昼どっかいいとこありますかって聞いたら、
今日確実に開いてるのはフェリーターミナルの周りの店ばかりオススメされて、
確かに確実に開いてるのはそうなんですけど、
ちなみに久保崎の方でどっか開いてるとこあります?って聞いたら、
あーほとんど居酒屋さんしかないんですけど、
ここがもしやってる時は気まぐれでやってるんですけど、
インスタ見ればその日やるよって気まぐれで上げてるので、
調べてみてくださいって言われて、
インスタのストーリー見たら、
1時間前に本日昼営業します、11時半からっていうストーリーが上がっててね、
かなえ
よっしゃ!行くぞ!
ひさぽん
そうつってそのお店に突撃しました。
美味しい食事体験
かなえ
味どころふくぎさんっていうお店でしたが。
ひさぽん
居酒屋さんっぽいんですけど、
昼もたまにやってるということでね、
すごいいい感じのお店だった。
かなえ
いいお店だったね。
ひさぽん
綺麗な、丁寧なお仕事されるね。
ご主人が一人でやってらっしゃるお昼はね、
一人でやってるとのことで、
かなえ
何食べたんだっけ?
ひさぽん
私は天丼。天丼定食です。
かなえ
私はその日替わりのランチの何だっけな、
海鮮とろろ丼定食。
そうだね。
美味しかった。
ひさぽん
めっちゃ美味しかった。
天丼もすごく丁寧な。
沖縄料理っぽくない?
普通の和定食というかね。
美味しい和料理はね。
ご主人も異獣組だそうで。
かなえ
大阪からって言ってたね。
15年くらい来て。
ひさぽん
最初はリゾートバイトみたいな形でね、
遊びに。
半分遊びで来たら、
そのまま木に行って、
居ついちゃって、
まさか自分でお店やることになるとはなんてね、
かなえ
おっしゃってましたけど。
すごくいいお店で、
トイレにスタッフ募集の
ひさぽん
貼り紙も貼ってあって。
かなえ
結構お給料悪くない感じでしたよ。
すごい良かったですよ、
島っていうかね。
ひさぽん
沖縄県にしては。
今膝の上で2匹の猫が、
あー痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い。
爪立てないね、爪立てないね。
かなえ
痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い痛い
ひさぽん
We got the wild ones, and next month we'll start to harvest the fresh ones.
かなえ
We only got the ones we harvested for 2 months.
We got the ones we harvested for a year, salted and packed.
We got them last night, and they were really good.
ひさぽん
We just ate them, and they were really good.
かなえ
We soaked them in salt water for 30 minutes, and they grew a lot.
ひさぽん
Yeah, they grew a lot.
They were really good, and the texture was really good.
かなえ
They were thick, right?
ひさぽん
Yeah, they were thick.
They weren't as thick as mekabu, but they were really good.
かなえ
Yeah, they were good.
We put them in miso soup.
ひさぽん
They were gone in a second.
かなえ
We should have put more in.
ひさぽん
Yeah, we should have.
かなえ
Yeah, we should have put more in.
They were really good.
Yeah, they were.
And after that...
小浜島の自然
かなえ
Ishi-Osada coast?
ひさぽん
Yeah.
かなえ
It's not Gajumaru.
It's not Gajumaru.
It's mangrove.
ひさぽん
It's mangrove.
かなえ
Yeah.
ひさぽん
Yeah, so...
かなえ
They're dry.
ひさぽん
Mangrove is basically a plant that grows in seawater.
かなえ
Seawater is a mixture of seawater and river water, right?
ひさぽん
Yeah, it's a plant that grows in a mixture of freshwater and seawater.
That's what mangrove is.
But here, it's mostly seawater.
Oh, it's not seawater. I'm sorry.
It's mostly seawater.
It's a rare plant that grows in a place with a lot of salt.
It's a place where there's almost no river that flows into it.
But it's a place where there are a lot of them on the sea side.
かなえ
There were a lot of them. There were a lot of small ones, too.
ひさぽん
It was cute.
It was cute.
It's pretty big.
According to the guide yesterday, mangrove is...
I thought it was a body that can only live in seawater.
But it's not supposed to be in seawater.
It's got a filter that removes salt from the roots.
So it's just getting the water it needs.
It's supposed to be okay if it's in seawater.
So it's a theory that if it's in seawater, it'll have a lot of filters.
Why is it in seawater?
That's how they grow.
かなえ
It was cute.
ひさぽん
It was cute.
かなえ
And after that...
ひさぽん
We're going to head east along the south side of the road.
There's a beach here, but there's not much of a way down to the beach.
We're going to go through here.
かなえ
Kohomo Island doesn't have a road that's set in stone.
There's no sea side.
ひさぽん
There's no sea side.
Basically, it's about three-fourths of the island.
It's a little bit inside.
It's like a roundabout.
It's a little bit like a hotel.
かなえ
There's a roundabout in front of the hotel.
That's right.
It's called Gofurin.
There weren't many roads that could go down to the beach.
ひさぽん
That's right.
There weren't many.
かなえ
There's a lot of ups and downs.
We had to go down the road to get to the beach.
ひさぽん
We had to go back up again.
かなえ
It was a big downhill.
ひさぽん
That's what it was like.
I've been there once or twice.
It wasn't that big of a deal.
It was beautiful.
かなえ
It was a little cloudy.
It was raining today.
The sky was thick with clouds.
It was a little dark.
ひさぽん
If you notice it as it is...
To the resort.
小浜島の観光地
かなえ
There's a star resort on Kohama Island.
There's a different resort called Haimurubushi.
There's a golf course.
There were a few men with golf bags on the boat we took home today.
ひさぽん
There's a Kohama Island Country Club on the resort.
かなえ
I thought I'd go golfing and go home.
ひさぽん
Resorts and golf courses.
Most of the places on the island were resorts.
かなえ
It was a private property, so I couldn't go in.
ひさぽん
That's what it was like.
So we couldn't go to the east end.
We took a detour.
We went to see the beach.
And then...
かなえ
We went to the mountains.
The symbol of Kohama Island.
There are two small mountains in the middle of the island.
ひさぽん
They're called Ifudaki and Nishiufudaki.
There was a way to read it, but I forgot.
It's supposed to be Ifu.
It's a big triangle.
かなえ
It's called Ifudaki.
It's in the west, so the other one is Nishiufudaki.
It's like two small clouds.
Two small clouds.
The higher one is Ifudaki, but it's still 99 meters.
It's less than 100 meters.
Less than 100 meters.
ひさぽん
I'm glad it's Nishiufudaki.
It's Nishiufudaki and Ifudaki.
かなえ
In Ifudaki, there was a place called Koutomori in the old days.
小浜島の魅力
かなえ
There was a place called Yaeyama in the old days.
Foreigners used to come and attack.
ひさぽん
It's a place to curse.
かなえ
That's right.
It was a place where they lit a fire to spread the message to everyone.
Now the scenery is good.
ひさぽん
Koutomori is a way of reading Hateruma.
I see.
Koutomori is Hateruma's Hibanmori.
Each island has a different way of reading it.
Hibanmori...
It's called Hibanmui.
It's a forest of fire.
It's called Hibanmui because it's a forest of fire.
It's located at the top of Ufudaki.
I think it's the best Hibanmui in Hibanmui.
かなえ
We went to Yamareko.
From Ufudaki to Nishiufudaki.
It's like a heavy railway.
There were stairs, so we went there.
ひさぽん
That's right.
It's 1km away.
かなえ
It's 66 meters uphill and 66 meters downhill.
ひさぽん
It was cute.
It was a cute journey.
You can go from Ufudaki to Nishiufudaki and go home by car.
かなえ
I recommend it if you want to walk.
ひさぽん
I liked Nishiufudaki better.
Nishiufudaki is longer.
Nishiufudaki is wider.
The whole area was open.
かなえ
There was also an azumaya.
ひさぽん
Both have azumayas, but Nishiufudaki is wider and longer.
There was a day of Chura-san in Nishiufudaki.
I saw Goyama for the first time in a long time.
It's fun.
I'm happy.
かなえ
It's nostalgic.
It's been more than 20 years.
ひさぽん
When was Chura-san?
かなえ
It's been almost 30 years.
ひさぽん
When was Chura-san?
Chura-san?
When?
I just realized.
When?
How many years has it been broadcast?
It says 2001.
It's been 24 years.
かなえ
Is it that long ago?
ひさぽん
I see.
かなえ
There was a sugar field on both sides of Chura-san's drama.
There was a road in the middle.
I also passed the place with the name Sugar Road.
ひさぽん
That's where Chura-san's location was.
And the house that became the location.
Was it Kohagura-so?
Kohagura-so.
The building of the location remains as a model.
It's a private house, so you can't go inside.
かなえ
You can only visit the front door.
ひさぽん
I went to Kohagura-so.
And I went into the village.
かなえ
There was only one shop.
ひさぽん
It was a normal shop.
There were no souvenirs.
It was a normal summer shop.
The lunch box looked delicious.
I thought it was the cheapest lunch box in Japan.
It was the cheapest.
It was 600 yen.
かなえ
It was a lunch box with a lot of volume.
It was made by Ishigaki.
He brought it by boat.
ひさぽん
I hoped that Ishigaki would sell the lunch box.
I think so.
I went to the post office.
They made me go to the post office.
They made me go to the post office of a woman dancing in Kohama Island.
かなえ
When you go to a place,
ひさぽん
do you go to the post office?
かなえ
They sold souvenir tickets.
But I don't think there was such a thing.
ひさぽん
They made me go to the post office.
I wrote a letter.
I passed Sugar Road.
It was like going back to the terminal.
かなえ
Sugar Road was full of sugarcane fields when you were in Chura.
Yes, it was.
ひさぽん
But now it's more like...
かなえ
There are a lot of places that have turned into livestock farms.
ひさぽん
It was a cow field.
かなえ
There were a lot of cows and it was a pasture.
Sugar Road is getting less and less.
ひさぽん
Yes, there were almost no sugarcane fields.
There were a few at the entrance and the exit.
かなえ
Sugar Road is like a city that's about to end.
There was a brown sugar factory in Kohama.
ひさぽん
Yes, there was a brown sugar factory.
I didn't eat brown sugar in Kohama.
かなえ
There was no place to eat it.
There was a souvenir shop selling one-bite-sized sweets.
ひさぽん
Yes, but it was expensive.
Well, there's still some brown sugar left.
I guess that's about it.
I didn't do anything special this time.
It's been a while since I've had a leisurely trip.
かなえ
Yes, it was raining.
The weather wasn't very good in the beach in winter, so I couldn't see it well.
ひさぽん
When I came to Iriomote, I thought that the blue sky and the blue sea would be higher.
かなえ
And Iriomote Island was very close.
ひさぽん
Yes, it was very close.
かなえ
I was wondering if I had walked all the way there.
ひさぽん
Yes, and Yubujima, which I remember.
小浜島の魅力
かなえ
Yubujima was right in front of me.
Yes, it was right in front of me.
According to Wikipedia, it's only two kilometers away from Kohama Island and Iriomote Island.
Two kilometers.
ひさぽん
I wonder if I can run there.
かなえ
No, no, no.
I feel like I can run there.
But the Yonara Waterway in there is quite fast and deep.
Because the colors are different.
ひさぽん
Kohama Island and Iriomote Island are very shallow, but there is a cut in Sekisei Shoko.
There is a place where there is a beautiful deep waterway.
That's the Yonara Waterway.
That's the only place that's deep, isn't it?
That's why it's said that Manta passes through here every season.
It is famous as a place where divers can see Manta.
There was a huge Manta observatory in Kubazaki Park.
Yes, there was.
I just remembered that I forgot to take a picture.
Well, it was Manta.
かなえ
Yes, it was Manta.
ひさぽん
Yes, it was Manta.
かなえ
Kohama Island is surrounded by coral reefs.
You can only see the coral reefs on the map,
but if you look at Google Earth,
you can see a lot of coral reefs.
If you look at the sea,
you can see that the back of the sea is dark and the front is blue.
It was an island where you could see that there were so many coral reefs.
That's right.
ひさぽん
It's easy to see that there are coral reefs all around.
It was easy to see because there was a western bay.
かなえ
I thought it would be very beautiful when the weather was good in summer.
ひさぽん
It seems to be a very relaxing place.
Next time I come to Kubazaki Park, I would like to stay at a Japanese homestay.
かなえ
That's right.
There was also a burger shop that I was interested in.
I couldn't go this time.
ひさぽん
There was a booth cafe in front of the ferry terminal.
I heard that there was a teriyaki burger using Kohama Island's brown sugar.
It was a very delicious Kohama burger.
I heard that there was a booth cafe in front of the ferry terminal.
I heard that there was a booth cafe in front of the ferry terminal.
I couldn't eat it because I went to Fukugi in Kubazaki Park.
The ferry terminal is in front of me, so if you come in summer, please come.
It looks delicious.
Looking at the photo, it looks very delicious.
Kohama Burger.
かなえ
On the way home, I was wondering if I would buy it for dinner.
It was already closed in the evening.
ひさぽん
It was written that the operation time was until 4 o'clock.
It was already closed when I got back to the ferry terminal about 20 minutes after 3 o'clock.
I think the operation time is written for summer.
かなえ
I think so.
There were few restaurants where I could eat lunch.
ひさぽん
I agree.
There were few restaurants.
I think there were many izakaya.
The shops I went to were rare.
I heard that there are two or three shops.
I heard that the shops in front of the ferry terminal are open all day.
I heard that there are only one or two shops in the city.
I heard that the shops in front of the ferry terminal are not open all day.
Please check the information on Instagram before you go.
旅行の情報とまとめ
かなえ
That's all for today.
Is that all?
ひさぽん
Yes, that's all.
What are we doing tomorrow?
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Please look forward to it.
ひさぽん
I hope it will be sunny.
See you.
かなえ
Have a nice day, everyone.
