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where you know that's true you you're used todriving multiple hours yeah one way yeah like i
don't enjoy it per se right i don't i don't wantto do several hours of driving on a regular basis
or to get to where i'm going but also having todrive maximum like an hour and also you know when
you're with other people in the car and stuffright or like you're listening to radio um it's
it's different right it's fine okay okay so you'vebroken up your trip enough so that you're not
driving like hours at end yeah and like it'sreally hard in that specific segment you know
staying in the you know northern wales you knowkind of by the coast little bit little bit south
right but not in southern wales you're you'rewithin an hour-ish from a lot of things like
it's not okay it's not a huge fan so um just forscaling right but that was fine there was a sort
of spontaneous choice looking around for forthings to do other than going up mount snowden
which is a fantastic sort of like it's it's theiryou know biggest mountain uh it's okay it's like
four thousand meters i think it's not it's notgiant that's sizable to me it's sizable but like
you know if you do uh let's see here if i were tocompare it so it's one of like the three big ones
over in the the sort of uk you know england's areaum i guess i guess mount fuji is also about
mount fuji is like a little bit more than threethousand so yeah how big is did i do i have the
right one i was wrong it's that was that was feetso it's three thousand it's about three to four
thousand feet which is about a thousand meters soi was i was inverting okay okay okay okay so i'm
but it's more than a hill it's more than a hilland it's it's beautiful it's a wonderful time it
looks beautiful yeah from what i can see yeahreally really is um clearly whales was inspiration
for a couple of like video games that i haveplayed um oh yeah and yeah and it and it shows
like you
can see the the overlap and it's just it wasmagnificent right the rock features the sort of
lots of slate type structured uh rock and um thesecliff edges that you could look down you know big
windy fields sheep everywhere um and and yeah itwas it was a really really great time but that was
cool going up it was exhausting technically ithink i still like hiking but i am not as enthused
about hiking as i am about like you knowclambering climbing like climbing right and so
there was a
chance to also go to one of these like adventureareas where you got to go into a bunch of cave
systems that they had oh and in this case ifanybody's ever done like those forest adventures
where you kind of go between the trees and they'vegot like these rope bridges and stuff like that
and there's also these uh similar ones that aredone on a lot of like rock faces called via
ferrata
which are essentially like you have a a steelcable run through a bunch of like uh pins anchors
in the rock and then there are various things tokind of help you clamber around the rock and you
are locked onto that steel cable like as you gothrough um it's not like a casual walk right but
it's yeah you're not like climbing and having todo crazy things all the time right but there are
harder ones but anyway um so this was like a twohour thing you know they taught you for like the
first 20 minutes or so how to kind of work withtheir system and stuff um the the steel cabling
and the the clips and things and then you got todo a bunch of like clambering along these
cavernous
massive sections and like really tight tunnelthings um on the cable and you got to do uh
zip lining between the the cavern walls andthrough like big sections of the cavern uh so you
would be like clipping and like swapping into youruh you know your zip lining um device and like
you know sliding down off of that it was reallycool it was an absolute blast um sounds fun adult
theme park it was it was essentially adult themepark right and so i would highly recommend this
for anybody who likes just you know physicallyactive things this was yeah super unique being
inside of a cave the just the features the visualof things they had it done like do you not get
claustrophobic about it i saw me if you listenedto our last episode you know that i live in a cave
oh yeah i forgot about that yeah no no butseriously the the cavern itself first off the
the big major section was enormous right so thisthing is like okay you know you're looking down
and you are high um like that's not you know andthen as you go through you actually you're weaving
your way back and forth along the walls and downuntil you get to the bottomish area where you take
another zip line way like through that cavernpiece into some of the like winding around caverns
they have in the rest okay the space so and thenthere are some tighter ones and some like uh
they're
either tunnel shaped or there are some that arekind of like two big slabs of you know rock and
you're kind of going between them but they're allyou know it was curated so they had like lights
and areas of course stuff like that but it wasn'tlike wow everything's brilliantly lit it was like
some good lighting everywhere like sort of mixedup a little bit like they had some fun with like
some colored lights in the big section so itlooked a little more like um playful right than it
was
just so sounds like it's a lot more like expansivespace than like what i what i thought yeah it's
not
that's sort of what freaks me out about caveadventure type stuff i think is the the other
one right it's the one where you actually huntdown caves and you have to they're like seeking
out cave connections like you have to worm yourway in and out of the tight spot like that right
that's what freaks me out yeah yeah yeah i don't idon't think i would like to do that one either
i think there's a level at which i would probablyhit a a barrier right where i'm like i don't need
to risk that level yeah um but uh this onedefinitely not that feeling it was okay okay
the little training area yeah you you were innorth north northern wales for that yes it
was in northern wales for that and the the lastbit on it would be that in particular the little
training area we got lucky there was two of themone that was sort of still contained within a
cavern but the other one at the top of it off tothe back end um had either collapsed or had
opened so it was you could see out right it wasinto you know the sky and you had this like you
know beam of light kind of coming in it felt veryyou've entered the caves of i don't know
mordor or something right in the yeah environmentso cave church so yeah it was it was a beautiful
space it was really really impressive um highlyrecommend trying to do that a few if anybody's
ever over there so um yeah that was that was coolit was a really good time lots of good stuff
around there as well but that's picking you knowkind of one thing out of them for reference that
スコットランドの家族旅行とクライミングジム
would be that'd be one of the standouts for me soum yeah and then when that finished up i i
wandered over and met family in in scotland so noyeah and scotland i i have been to scotland
before i haven't been to any of the other twoplaces before so i hadn't been okay okay i hadn't
been to um northern wales but scotland i'd been toonce before i'd been to edinburgh um briefly
before um that's kind of where the trip startedwas was in edinburgh this time and like it was
fine i was in edinburgh um yeah uh i did get tosee a very small snippet of the edinburgh fringe
festival which is where they do a bunch of thecomedy it's comedy it's artists it's like
musicians
it's like everybody that just comes in yeah um ididn't get to see exactly what i had had been
hoping to see because timing didn't really workout it was like a a poetry show specifically
somewhere else um okay but i i did get to see somestreet performers um with my with my folks
and stuff and they were really cool and thensomething from specifically the scotland trip
so there was a there was a family sort of movingemotional bit there which was you know that's
kind of separate right we went to scotland for afamily related thing which was very beautiful and
very wonderful but and we we got to do it like outin the middle of the the river clide and we
allowed to drive the boat um you know so that'si'm just a child if anybody listens to the uh
the part one of our pod scientist collaborationyou'll realize that i'm a child and you'll realize
what i'm referring to but um it was great rightyou know i said like oh yeah i used to fly
airplanes
and he's like oh you can fly this then so yeah helet me take the boat out and it's like you
know we were navigating and you know it was it wasgood it's a good time um but aside from that
i would say what would be okay i i'll picksomething that's more scotland focused in a
second but i will say that when i was in invernessand if anybody's ever in inverness
and if you like climbing i recommend going totheir climbing gym there
two reasons inverness inverness a gym way up thereit was completely by chance we're wandering
through you know we just walked kind of out oflike the the sort of city central towards like
where we were staying and we're like where are wegoing to get some food like it was kind of
it was a weird hour it was kind of like half rainyand i was like well there's this place
like called like the the red point cafe i meanlike i don't i don't know it looks it looks good
it has good food right and i showed it okay likeit looks pretty good and we start getting closer
to it and we're like oh okay there's like agrocery store over there and we go to that yeah
we're seeing the other shops in the area and i'mlooking over and i'm going i think that's a
climbing gym like there's no there's no way rightlike there's no way that the cafe is in
the climbing gym right right and so i keep lookingokay and i start to go wait a minute
like i think red point can have some meaning but ididn't anticipate it having meaning and
so when i get there okay i'm looking at it and i'mlike nope this is this is the same place
the cafe is inside of this climbing gym well thatthat kind of makes sense like you know
if you want a little munchie while you're climbingno it's perfect this is like the
thing that i think um many not everywhere manyplaces yeah um lack for for climbing gyms when
space is limited is like a cafe or something ireally love every square inch of vertical
wall must be covered in yeah puzzles yeah noexactly that's that's what's happening right
like tokyo doesn't have you know like a cafethat's not entirely true there is one small gym
with like a cafe that's separate to it like in theokay building but like i think it's rare i
think len we figured out your retirement plan yeahno i'm gonna get together with a bunch of
and open a climbing gym yeah that's the yeah yeahyeah yeah um start a climbing gym and have
a cafe attached to it oh my god you're right thisis my plan why wait for retirement actually let
me go fill out my resignation right now you canstart right now i'll get started so um
so but but i i it's great right that type ofcombination is really an awesome plus the i
were they were helpful um uh they have the how doi describe this there's a proper level of sarcasm
and communication of which i appreciate wherewhere i think it was it was a good it was a good
time and yeah i think it would have been a placethat you know i could definitely spend a lot of
time with i climbed in two places while i wastraveling that was one of them okay it's a good
one cafe was fantastic uh and the gym itself waswas also really nice it had a lot of facilities a
lot of different stuff to be climbing on um butthe other one was at a uh a castle in london that
was the other one you can climb a castle you canclimb a castle yeah you can't climb it in the way
that i would like to climb it which is like youknow on the bits of just free solo yeah like you
know stuff that'd be like oh yeah just climb thebuilding um but you can uh climb you know a bunch
of bouldering you know things they have outdoorsand you you have the castle right there and then
the inside of the castle has sort of been likereworked to have a bunch of climbing walls in
various spots and positions all throughout thebuilding and like okay you know on the inside it
looks more like a gym but there are there arespots where it's like the tower also has some
some climbing walls inside of it and things i iknow these types of establishments in london a lot
it's like when they refurbish like an old churchand like when you go inside it's a cafe or when
you go inside there's like uh like a like a wholegym or you know some some sort of recreational
spaces that is not very obvious from the outsideyeah yeah that's exactly i think what what this
you know this has become i think the the knownright it's the it's the castle that has the
climbing gym in it but it is uh it is that sort ofrefurbished from what it originally was into a
new thing yeah it's like repurposed space yeahit's like your crypt cafes that you had stumbled
across a bunch of right so okay okay um but thatwas a cool thing in um in scotland but i think
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other than that there were some really great it'sall outdoor most of the stuff is outdoors i you
know the next thing that flashed in was getting toyou know take sort of a boat trip along
um loch ness so the the you know where you tookthe boat at the loch ness a bit of a bit of a
boat trip there was like a kind of jump to oneplace take a boat trip down we took it to like a
small uh castle ruins slightly sort of south midmidway maybe down the lock okay um i'm forgetting
the name off the top of my head but that was youknow it was you know castle ruins a little bit
history the boat trip was cool uh it was rainingwhen we got on the boat um so okay we did get
somewhat soaked but then it was totally sunny whenwe got to the castle ruins so it worked out of
course it was good it was like great okay so uhyou know survived um and then yeah when we were
actively sort of by family it was just it was awonderful time getting to catch up with a lot of
uh family members that i don't often see um youknow hear about what they've been up to
and things like that so um yeah it was it was abit of a calm maybe a calmer beat of things like
actively getting done um while we were there inscotland i feel like you needed it right yeah
yeah it was nice it was nice to have a little bitof a slow down um and just a a lower pace uh than
i think i'd been running at for like the last youknow a few weeks beforehand so yeah it was good
so i think i i'm trying to recall this like map ofum yeah scotland because last year i went
from i dragged my two lawyer friends from londonmade them come to okay uh england uh to to
edinburgh
and we drove and by we he drove uh fair to hedrove us to um glencoe isle of sky and like yeah
yeah that little area yep so um i i do rememberlochness and like that general scenery um
off the two days we went we had a two nights itwas two nights and
one like two nights and a three days type of tripand um we had no clouds for the first two days and
then had the foreboding very uh on brand darkclouds on the way back yeah but yeah uh did you
also have uh the soundtrack of how to train dragonlike going in your head the whole time
because i did oh no no but i definitely could seewhy you would i think yeah like it's appropriate
the test drive soundtrack was like going in myhead non-stop and then occasionally swap the lord
of the rings how i sure score and then and thenback to john powell and it was just like it was
it was so appropriate and like yeah it's justamazing the the scenery is truly one of a kind
truly truly is i also have what i call the jukeboxbrain um which is just you know when songs will
pop themselves on and then it kind of you knowrattles around and kicks to another one when
something happens um but i i don't know in thiscase what i had it probably varied but i had had
i guess oh i don't want to say it like that um theso being in in northern wales and then coming
into the places i was in scotland they both arethey have a particular uniqueness but like i i
had seen so much kind of grandness right so muchvastness in terms of space that like i think at
the point when i was entering scotland i wasalmost looking for more of that like well let's
see what's going on i don't know in in the city abit right like or what's happening in these spaces
which a little bit weird we weren't really inheavy city spots so it didn't didn't really work
out that way what what city but i i have thisfeeling that there was like yeah like outdoor
shore maybe more i was like well what's thehistorical stuff to check out like let's go
visit people like okay because there's been a lotof that grandness too but yeah a hundred percent
for especially you said you went up to like theisle of sky right so um that's uh so to to put
things in perspective you have like glasgow andedinburgh um down in like the southern you know
the southern section it's not yeah as south as youcan go there is like some more south for
it to still be scotland but you know okay roughlythat and then those two are fairly close compared
to like if you go up and you know in the northernvery elongated kind of triangle this makes you hit
inverness and at inverness if you follow loch nessyou get down towards i don't know if it fully
connects i think but you get down towards glencoewhich is the other one that you mentioned yes and
glencoe is between i would say isle of sky andglasgow and greenook was where i was positioned
which is much closer like immensely closer toglasgow um it is like okay so you were closer to
the south by the time yeah we shot up and went toinverness which went by glencoe and like was
maybe similar latitude to isle of sky or a littlebit more north but that was like a little bit of
time williams and then and then we cut down andthen it was like passed through fort williams
passed through glencoe we spent like a day i thinkwandering through those areas uh and then we went
down you know again and we were back into kind ofglasgow area i see i see yeah so it was a big
you know kind of triangular shoot up and yeah overand around yeah so yeah yeah it was something
運転免許から一輪車と馬の話へ
something crazy times like this i do wish that istill had the ability to drive or the legal right
to drive um yeah maybe the ability right but it'sthe legality that's the real problem
so i i hope i can still drive i'm not sure ihaven't been behind the steering wheel for like
a solid two years so well if it's anything likemine i think the last time i drove was
two years ago because it was like when i went tothe state but you've been driving since you're
like 16. yeah good point so i probably earlieractually wait i shouldn't say that in the
recording but the legality question i only learnedhow to drive at like a tender age of 28 or
something so yeah yeah yeah yeah um no that'sthat's fair that's a good point um wait had you
okay i i yeah when did when was it when did youlearn to drive because i do remember us during
it was during covet right okay yeah all right okayokay okay um our mutual friend a good
polish guy have uh given me free lessons yeah yeahyeah at the la fitness parking lot right
right right to practice it's the same it's thesame place that i had taught several people
during that time yeah and and then um i had theeasiest driving license um test where my friend
the said friend was able to sit in my passengerseat because it was covet times and i didn't know
the examiner would yell at you from the outsidelike go go to number five or like back up to
number four oh my god do a s curve to number threesomething like that and then you do the
maneuvers and that's it that's literally it and umthe japanese when i was when it was time for
me to convert that to japanese uh license um thejapanese examiner took one look at like
when my original like when my american license waslike expiring and he's like
you're not gonna be able to take the second examif you only have this much of a time
and like i was like i'm hoping to pass this timeand he's just like good luck nice oh my god all
right yeah he was like he was like most people whoare trying to convert from american driver's
license don't end up passing in one go and i waslike great yeah there there are some uh from what
i understand some some different levels ofrigidity and different things of importance
in the japanese it's probably for the better forthe world that i don't drive uh so i'm okay being
a passenger princess for the rest of my life allright fair enough it's a sacrifice you're willing
to make for the safety of mankind yeah yeah icannot be badass at everything um i gotta leave
some for the you know normies but i feel none ofthat i feel like no just you just gotta take
everybody's gonna be their own badass whateverthey want you may as well take as many things
that you can be a badass at you list them all iwould rather i would much more enthusiastically
learn how to ride a horse than drive a car forsome reason i thought you were going to say
unicycle i don't know why but i was able to ride aunicycle at one point in my life okay yeah
that's pretty cool it was a whole it was a wholecraze when i was like third grade i think oh my
god okay like cool i don't know who started it butwe were all collectively obsessed with
unicycles okay and all right um because there'sonly so many sizes of unicycles that the school
had and everyone is trying to go for the one thathas like you know the perfect height and the tire
size for a majority of the third graders yeah soum so i had to go to school early to divs
my unicycle before i can play around with it andwe learned a trick of like you know two of us
coming towards each other hold hands in the middleand like circle around and then depart like we
learned the whole trick that we were a littlecircle god you guys had like full like unicycle
hobbyist skills like these are we i think at onepoint we were pretty good oh my god like a bunch
of us learn how to ride backwards or like you knowlike pedal backwards and do all sorts of
tricks but um it i don't know why i think we weresuper obsessed with it like one year and
then it disappeared like it fell out uh yeah itfell out of fad whatever the i have no idea but
we at what point it was such a thing that's socrazy yeah like it's awesome but that's so it's
not a joke i i think i can relearn how to ride aunicycle okay well you don't need a horse if
you have a unicycle so um i want a horse oh okayall right yeah i uh i mean one of them you have
to take much better care of so yeah i'm hoping forthe day i rise to the correct tax bracket
to have my horse yeah yeah have a horse and do youwant to like have the horse and own the stable
that it's in or do you just want to have the horseand have it rented from somewhere like
i think renting is fine for now i just wanna iwant i want to be able to be like hey let's go
and then ride a horse okay yeah yeah yeah i see isee what you want i understand it so
i don't get it but i understand it so thanks foryour kindness sir yeah you're welcome i mean i'm
allergic to them so like there's a are you yeah isthis another thing you're allergic i mean i
i do know how to ride horses i have gone on a fewlike little horse riding things
to the previous okay but like okay when i havedone them uh my hands get all like red and itchy
um if i've been like poor thing so it's just youknow like just my life like
you cannot be a badass uh mongolian princess likeme i guess no no i could probably be a badass
princess but i don't think i could have a horsefor the mongolian nature i feel like the mongolian
also is not something i can pick up but
you know i have the hair that's all i got yeah yougot the hair you can braid it yeah i got
the hair i can braid the hair i can shave thebeard or something i'm sure it'll work yeah so
yeah yeah yeah anyway all right so that's the idon't know where this is going that's the end of
my travels that is the end of your travels or atleast the travels for the relaxation stuff so
i'm glad you had a good time and my mic is dyingit's probably a good time to stop
all right until next time bye that's it for theshow today thanks for listening and find us on
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