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What's up, guys? This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan Japanese and English.
Hi, guys. This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan Japanese and English.
This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
6月23日の慰霊の日は、沖縄戦犠牲者の霊を慰め、世界の恒久平和を願う日です。沖縄県が条例で記念日として定めました。
沖縄戦は、太平洋戦争の末期である1945年に、日本軍と沖縄諸島に上陸したアメリカ軍を主体とする連合国軍との間で行われた戦いです。
6月23日の慰霊の日は、沖縄では休日になりますが、日本の休日ではなく沖縄県独自の休日であり、これには歴史的背景が深く関わっています。
第二次世界大戦で敗れた日本は、連合国軍の占領下に置かれることになりました。
その後、1952年のサンフランシスコ共和条約によって日本の主権は承認されましたが、沖縄県だけは引き続きアメリカの統治下に置かれました。
そのため、日本の休日とは別に沖縄独自の休日が定められたのです。
1972年に沖縄返還が行われると、沖縄県にも日本の法律が適用されるようになりました。
慰霊の日は日本の休日ではないため除外されましたが、沖縄県の条例により、沖縄県独自の休日として今も残り続けています。
Thank you, Minami. Let me talk about Okinawa Memorial Day.
Okinawa Memorial Day is a public holiday observed in Japan Okinawa Prefecture annually on June 23rd to remember the lives lost during the Battle of Okinawa.
It is not celebrated nationally throughout Japan.
The Battle of Okinawa was the only ground engagement of the Pacific War fought on Japanese soil.
Over 240,000 lives were lost and numerous buildings on the island were destroyed along with countless historical documents, artifacts, and cultural treasures.
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It is estimated that about half of the war victims were local Okinawa residents among them children.
はい。Thank you.
はい。
今年の2021年6月23日でちょうど戦後76年だそうです。
で、今日は慰霊の日やささ特別編ということでWe have two guests.
Yay.
Yay.
Yay.
Yay.
23日は関係あるとても。
慰霊の日だから。
お父さん、お兄さん、こっちの長男、長男兄さん。
おじさんね。
長男。
だから、慰霊の日だからさ、おばあの話を今日はたくさん聞こうと思ってきました。
はい。
よろしくお願いします。
慰霊の日だから。
So, when we think about this topic, we wanted to have different perspectives from different generations.
So, today we have two guests.
Minami's grandma and father Naoko and Katsuji-san.
Yes.
So, Naoko-san is 89 years old.
89歳。
そう。
And her son Katsuji-san is 66 years old.
And Minami is the third generation if count after the war.
うんうん。
うん。
今日は、ミナミのおばあとお父をゲストに招いてからお話を聞こうと思っております。
おばあのお家でね。
うんうん。
And she told us that she got some...
何?
She was on a newspaper talking about Battle of Okinawa back in 2016.
で、その記事が結構面白いというか、深いものだったので、
ちょっとその記事をあかねが今からさらっと読むので、
はい。
聞いてください。
一年、ナオコさんが84歳の時に取材された記事です。
台湾で生まれ、母親の出身地の久米島に渡り、
父の故郷ヨナバルの板嵐に戻ったのが小学校3年生の頃。
まだ生活が落ち着かなかった大里国民学校6年生の時、
立ち覗きのような形でヤンバルに疎開することになりました。
で、家族2世帯合わせて10人でトラックに乗り金に向かいました。
ただ、そこは危険ということで一泊しただけで、
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その後、小入土について、
集落の人も集めて大勢がいました。
ただ、ここも危ないということで、
ヤンバルに行ったところで食べ物がある保証がないということで、
また南部ヨナバルに引き返そうということで、
今度は5世帯21名でヨナバルに帰ることになりました。
ただ、歩いているとアメリカにやられる、
米兵を見ても急に走るなというのをすごく言われていて、
昼間歩いて夜の間で鉄砲で撃たれて死んでいる人たちも道の両端に倒れていました。
明け方、串川の江の日あたりを通ると軍艦がたくさん浮いていました。
4月4日頃に米兵に捕まり捕虜になりまして、
その後は石川合わせと場所を転々とさせられ、
合わせのMP、ミリタリーポリスの見張りで芋掘り作業などをしていました。
米兵が住んでいるところに来て、
女性の手をつかんで天井のお部屋に連れて行かれそうになったりもして、
今でも思い返すとすごくゾッとする出来事もありました。
馬小屋に住んだこともあり、
またいたら敷から中ぐすくわを見ると沈められた軍艦もたくさんありました。
物資がすごく不足していたので石油を使って天ぷらを揚げたというのも本当の話です。
父と兄は戦争でもう帰ってこなくて、
女で一つで育てる、兄弟を育てることになり、
進学をさせてというのも言えなくて悔しい思いをしたそうです。
船の中にあるから、それからエンジンオイルを取ったものを
このオイルを使って天ぷらを揚げたという。
あのドロドロの石油ではないってことね。
そうそうそう、石油ではない。
確かにそれだけ聞くとびっくり。
3年までは、
米島で台湾から帰ってきて、
米島に。
あの頃はその、
台湾は日本の統治家、
日本の中の一つだったわけね。台湾は。
だから台湾の80代、90代の人は日本教育を受けてるし、
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日本人も結構みんな行ったりしてたわけ。
向こうで生活してた。
だからこっちの親も台湾で仕事しに行ってたわけさ。
で、戦争が始まる頃にまた帰ってきて。
じゃあ、おばあは台…
東京で。
おじい、おばあ、あの、結婚して。
おじいとおばあの出会いがある。
もう出会いか。
未来、未来っていうか。
じゃあなんでなおこさんは台湾にいたの?
だから東京で、
うちの姉ちゃんが先に生まれて。
その後から私生まれて。
東京でお母さんも仕事して、
またじいちゃんなんかも東京で仕事してるとき、
このじいちゃんと一緒に仕事している。
おばあのいとこがいたって。
で、おばあのいとこがそういうふうに一緒だったもんだから、
なんでか、いとこと結婚しなさい。
いとこと結婚したの?
おじい。
いとこが紹介して結婚しなさいって言って紹介されたと。
そうそうそう。紹介して結婚しなさいということで。
結婚したのに台湾に行っちゃったんだよ。
仕事があったんだよ。
台湾で生まれでしょ。
それ今結婚した後戻ってないでしょ。
結婚したっていうのはおばあのお母さんの話だよ。
あの時代まで言ってるわけよ。
で、そこでおばあの姉さんは東京で生まれた。
で、それからみんなで台湾に行くわけだ。
三名。
うんうんうん。
そのうち台湾に行って一日お茶がんちゃうんだよ。
あの時仕事があったんだよ。
親兄弟紹介した。
台湾から仕事。
台湾から仕事。
これは日本だからね。
米島行くのは後にして
とにかく親兄弟に会いに行って
親も元気でいらっしゃるし
兄弟たちも。
台湾から。
米島。
彼女、So they said Naoko-san's parents moved to Taiwan after they get married.
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And she was born in Taiwan.
But then the war started.
She had to move to Okinawa because
Taiwan was part of Japan at the time.
But because the war started
Japanese people had to go back to Japan at the time.
That's why she moved to Okinawa from Taiwan.
Yes.
And then
while I was living in Okinawa
the army called me right away.
Your father.
He came in.
But I didn't have time to see my children.
My husband and grandfather.
And my father and mother.
I didn't have any property here yet.
I just brought my children here.
While I was doing this
I was taken to the military base.
You were taken to the military base.
How many siblings did you have?
Four.
And
my older sister was one year older than me.
She was sick.
She had a foot infection.
It got into her stomach.
And she was hospitalized.
My father was taken to the military base.
After that
it was the hardest time for me.
I think it was six years.
And my husband and his family.
They came here to dig potatoes and cook them.
Your brother and sister.
In order to feed my sister
they dug potatoes.
It was hard.
And they brought potatoes to the hospital.
At that time, potatoes were the staple food?
Yes.
We didn't have much rice.
I see.
We didn't have much rice.
We didn't eat much.
I bought tofu.
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I bought tofu from a tofu shop.
I went into my house like this.
The soldiers saw me.
They came in between the trees.
They asked for tofu.
The soldiers?
Yes, the soldiers.
My mother was having a hard time raising four children.
If my father was here,
we would have money.
But we didn't have money.
It was a really hard life.
But we had to take care of the soldiers.
The soldiers asked for tofu.
My father was in the army.
He was in the army.
He didn't have time.
He didn't have time.
He didn't have time.
He didn't have a salary.
When my father was in the army,
it wasn't the time for Okinawa to be in the war.
Japan was preparing for the war in 1945.
At that time,
Okinawa was busy building a runway and an airfield.
I was called to work as a soldier.
I was told that I didn't have a salary.
I didn't have a salary.
It was a hard life.
The soldiers were also hungry.
My mother was having a hard time.
Japan was in the middle of the war.
Everyone was suffering.
We didn't have much money at home.
It was a really hard life.
When it rained,
we went to the field where we had potatoes.
When it rained,
my feet were all wet.
When it rained,
my cousin,
who also had a hoe,
went to the field to dig potatoes.
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He was very happy.
When I saw him digging potatoes,
I was very surprised.
I thought he was a farmer.
He was a farmer.
This woman was my cousin.
We met when we went to the field.
She was my cousin.
She said,
I threw away my hoe.
I threw away my hoe.
I have to raise two more sons.
This was before the war began.
Before the war began.
Before the war began.
How was it after the war began?
After the war began?
After the war began,
we asked for things.
When the soldiers saw us buying things,
they said they went to buy tofu.
They asked us to give them tofu.
We couldn't say no,
even though we were raised by our parents.
After the war began,
we went to the field to dig potatoes.
When we dug potatoes,
we asked people to give us things.
They gave us things.
It was a military plane.
When the Americans came to the field,
we asked them to give us things.
We asked them to give us things.
When the war began,
the Americans came to the field to give us things.
We asked them to give us things.
We ran away.
You ran away.
You didn't know where to go.
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You didn't know where to go.
You walked to another place.
They put us on a military truck.
Was it a Japanese truck?
Yes, of course.
At that time, there were a lot of Japanese soldiers.
You rode on a military truck from the south to the north.
We didn't have a truck.
I think I've heard of it.
Why did you go to the north?
At that time, it was called Kin'yanbarun.
It was called Kin'yanbarun.
It was a one-year-old truck.
It was called Kin'yanbarun.
It was a one-year-old truck.
I can't believe it.
How many days did it take?
According to the information,
Kin'yanbarun was a village with a lot of trees.
It was a village with a lot of trees.
In Naha and Shimajiri,
the Japanese military was in charge.
But they were pushed by the Americans and fled to the south.
They said it was better to go with the soldiers,
so they fled to the south.
They said Yanbarun was safe, so they went to Yanbarun.
There was no right or wrong answer.
They fled from place to place.
You went to Yanbarun, but there was no food,
so you went back to Yonabarun, right?
That was later.
By chance,
my father, mother, and my aunt Yasuko,
Yasuko was my youngest sister,
and my mother.
Since then,
the air raids had been going on for a long time.
When Yasuko was 11 years old,
she walked all the way to Yanbarun.
She was so exhausted.
Fortunately, my aunt was still alive.
Did you have a truck?
Yes, I did.
Did you have a truck?
Yes, I did.
Did your aunt Yasuko have a truck?
No, she didn't.
She walked all the way to Yanbarun.
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Her legs were swollen.
At the entrance of Kin-no-Go,
my aunt Yasuko and my aunt Yasuko,
decided to go and see if they could make something to eat.
It was getting dark, so they decided to go.
At the entrance of Kin-no-Go,
my aunt Yasuko and my aunt Yasuko
had a rare chance to meet each other.
My older sister and her cousin
were making something.
My uncle and aunt Yasuko
were my youngest siblings.
What was life like in Kin-no-Go?
In Kin-no-Go, there was water.
It was a little dark.
There was a high place.
From the entrance of Kin-no-Go to here,
there was a stream of water.
My legs were wet.
While we were doing this,
we walked all the way to the back.
My older sister and her cousin
were looking for something to eat.
There was a house up there
where we stayed overnight.
We went there and stayed overnight.
Now we don't have anything.
We don't have potatoes.
We don't have anything like this.
We have to go to the field and dig.
It's a house for people.
We don't have anything like this.
We wanted to see if we could make something.
While we were trying to find something,
we found a pot.
In Kin-no-Go, there were a lot of rice fields.
There were a lot of sweet potatoes.
There were a lot.
In Kin-no-Sho-Nyu-Do, there were a lot of rice fields.
It was long.
It was long.
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It was long.
There was a stream in the middle of the river.
People were living in high places
around Soba.
There were a lot of people from all over.
When we went outside to look for something to eat,
we found people from the same area.
In the morning,
we didn't know where we were going.
Yasuko's father
took us to our family.
He took us out of the water.
He said he brought us here.
We were relatives.
He took us there.
When you returned from Yanbaru to Yunabaru,
how was it?
At that time,
on the right side,
there were military ships.
There was light.
The soldiers were hiding
under the ships.
It was night.
When we returned from Yanbaru to Yunabaru,
how was it?
How did you feel when you returned?
My grandfather was here.
He was very busy.
My grandfather was here.
He was very busy.
He was very busy.
He was very busy.
He was very busy.
He was very busy.
He was very busy.
He was very busy.
He couldn't go to school.
He wasn't good at it.
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He couldn't go to school.
My grandfather was like a boss to everyone.
He had to work for Hawaii.
He had to do a lot for Hawaii.
He knew a lot of Americans.
The Americans knew right away.
While we were running away,
we would go into people's houses, into their mansions,
and there were a lot of people in there.
So, um,
while we were talking,
there was an old man
who said,
even if something happened to me,
I shouldn't move.
We should do our job and do our job.
He said,
He was an old man who understood the nature of foreigners.
He was in Hawaii.
He told me what to do and what not to do.
That's what he told me.
My family and I were all there.
We were all in a good mood.
The people who lived in the other houses
were all grown-up men.
They would ask for a piece of wood.
They would ask for it.
I was the only one who could do it.
He said,
You can't do this.
He said,
You can't do this.
I said,
What?
He said,
You can't do this.
I said,
What?
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It was really scary.
So after you became a prisoner, the war ended?
Yes, after I became a prisoner,
we all lined up in the field to dig potatoes.
I'm talking about the digging training camp.
I'm sorry, I keep saying the word potato.
After we dug the potatoes, we went to the digging training camp.
We had to prepare the food for the training camp.
We had to prepare the food for the training camp.
We went to the field to dig potatoes.
My husband, mother, and other family members were all together.
When we went to the field,
the old men and women lined up together.
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There were soldiers in front and behind us.
American soldiers?
Yes, American soldiers.
I was talking to them.
My aunt was alone.
She had a small child, so she couldn't go to the field to dig potatoes.
So we all went to the field together.
When we were digging potatoes,
a foreigner came in.
He saw a woman carrying a child.
He said,
I'll take you to the ceiling.
He raised his hand.
I was really scared.
He said,
I'll take you to the ceiling.
The second floor?
In the old days,
there was a place where people could come and go.
We hid things on the ceiling.
There were many ways to do it.
I was playing with the children there.
I was an adult.
I shouted out loud,
N.P.! N.P.!
No one could teach me.
But I understood N.P.
I shouted out loud, N.P.! N.P.!
I was afraid of what my aunt would do.
The soldiers were surprised.
They said, N.P.! N.P.!
If I was caught by N.P., I would be in trouble.
N.P. was the military police.
N.P. was the military police.
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It was terrible.
What did you do?
In reality,
the soldiers in the U.S.
and the women in Okinawa
were exchanged with each other.
When they were prisoners.
After the war,
the U.S. military police was the most important.
Military police?
They went to the U.S. military base to work.
I see.
It was like a military hospital.
Yes, it was.
Even now,
they clean up,
and clean up the rubble.
It's like a janitor's job.
Many foreigners came to Japan.
There were many jobs like this.
I see.
In the U.S. military base,
if you worked, you could get paid.
In the U.S. military base,
the U.S. was rich at that time.
They gave food to the prisoners.
On Christmas,
they brought food to the prisoners.
They were rich.
They wanted to be military employees
rather than public servants.
The women worked at a military club.
At first, they were housemaids.
They worked at a military club.
The U.S. military police helped them a lot.
The U.S. military police was kind to us.
We had money, so we could afford it.
We had food to eat.
Money?
I wonder if we still have money.
It depends on the situation.
The house is big.
It's different now.
It's a different situation.
It's a different feeling.
The poverty is different.
The gap is too big.
The gap is too big.
Their life in the U.S. military base
was like a dream.
They worked hard.
They were able to afford it.
They brought food to the prisoners.
The prisoners were housemaids.
They cleaned the house.
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The prisoners were housemaids.
They fed the prisoners.
They fed the prisoners.
They did these things.
They fed the prisoners.
If something happened,
they would say,
it's the New Year in Japan,
so take this with you.
The children would say,
that's amazing.
That's how it was.
When they were little,
they would bring things from work.
They knew there was something inside.
They would say,
that's amazing.
That's how it was.
That's how it was.
That's how it was.
After the war,
my grandmother worked as a housemaid
in the U.S. military base.
She worked as a housemaid
in the prison.
She worked at a club.
There is still a New Year's club.
Yes, there is a New Year's club in the airport.
There used to be a baseball stadium there.
There was a New Year's club next to it.
It was the U.S. military base.
Yes, yes.
It was New Year's.
Do you mean now?
Yes.
She worked there until she recovered.
Until she recovered.
My grandfather was in charge of the construction
of the U.S. military base.
Yes, yes.
Then Okinawa was about to go through
the recovery period.
There were no passenger cars,
so everyone took the bus.
My grandfather was in charge of the bus.
Yes, yes.
At that time,
the bus was used by my parents
when I was a child.
I was in elementary school
until the end of the war in 1945.
At that time,
there was no public transportation,
so the bus was used by bus drivers.
The bus was very popular at that time.
There were no cars,
so most of the roads were opened by the U.S. military.
Do you mean the roads now?
Yes, roads No. 329 and No. 33.
The biggest road was No. 58.
The road was opened by the U.S. military?
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Yes, yes.
The U.S. military opened the road
from Naha Air Base to Katena Base.
The road is connected.
The road is connected.
The road is connected.
For the first time,
for Okinawa,
for Japan,
it was a big road.
For the first time,
it was a big road.
The People's Party of Okinawa,
like Kamijirō Senaka,
said they were going to turn this road into a runway.
When the war broke out,
planes came from this direction
and turned this road into a runway.
That's how the road No. 58 was built.
After the war,
it was designated as a national road
and became the national road No. 58.
The national road No. 58 is connected to Kagoshima.
I see.
It's a road that crosses the sea.
The road No. 58.
Before the war,
it was called Route No. 1.
Route No. 1.
Vegetables.
Route No. 1.
I see.
I remember that time.
It was hard.
Buses were interesting.
The bus driver used to be on the bus.
Now, the bus line...
It's like checking the passengers.
It's called a one-man bus.
So,
when it changed from the bus driver,
it was called a one-man bus.
Now, it's just a bus driver.
There were two people on the bus.
The bus driver wore a hat
and held a bag.
He asked,
How much is it?
I said,
How much is it?
It's like a bullet train.
A bullet train is like checking.
The destination.
It's a little different.
The bus driver gave the ticket inside.
I see.
At that time,
there were no cars,
so everyone was on the bus.
When it was time,
the bus was packed.
It was like a train in Tokyo.
In that situation,
the bus driver was moving around.
I wonder what he was doing.
At that time, I was driving.
Well,
I asked him to stop the bus in front of my house.
He said,
I'll stop the bus.
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There were four or five of us.
When we made lunch,
my father was driving on this route.
From Naha to Chinen.
He was driving to Naha.
We were standing here.
My father stopped the bus.
He gave my father a lunch box.
I see.
Sometimes the bus driver gave him a pocket money.
In that way,
it was a bus with a bus driver.
For a long time.
When was it?
Since I was in junior high school,
there was no bus driver.
It was a mobile phone bus.
In that period?
Yes, mobile phone.
At that time,
there was a bus.
In Okinawa,
there was a bus called
Toyo bus,
Okinawa bus.
There were many first-class cars.
The bus driver and the bus driver
had a fight.
They robbed each other's passengers.
The bus driver
was passing the passengers.
I didn't know that.
He was driving fast and
driving the opposite direction.
He was competitive.
How old was your father?
He was in junior high school.
There was a bus for a long time.
It was a one-man bus.
It was in junior high school.
After the war,
there was no bus for a long time.
The bus driver died.
After the war,
you were born.
There was a bus system.
Yes.
What was the change
from the American rule
to the change
in Okinawa and Japan?
Well,
the return to Japan
was in the second year of high school.
So,
the period before that
was a long time.
We spent a lot of money.
We didn't have
a rich life.
We wanted to go back to Japan
as soon as possible.
When the National Rehabilitation Initiative was passed,
we decided to go back to Japan.
So,
we made a flag of Hinomaru
one by one.
If we made a flag of Hinomaru,
our generation would be good at it.
We made a circle
in the middle
with a cross.
I see.
Hinomaru is easy to make.
If you have a cross,
you can make a red circle
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in the middle.
We cut all the bamboo
and tied them up
and brought four of them.
Two of them
went to school.
The teachers
handed out the Hinomaru flags
to the people
on the street.
One of them came out
and got the Hinomaru flag.
So, we decided
to go back to Japan.
We did that.
But,
our life was poor.
The U.S. military
did their best
to help the people
in the U.S. military.
They were good
at volunteering.
Also,
on Christmas,
the U.S. military used
a truck
and toys
that the children
of the U.S. military
could play with.
So, we loaded
a truck full of them
around the school
and went to school.
We lined up
all the students
for one to six years.
Two American trucks
came.
The teachers
thanked the U.S. military.
Was this during the U.S. military rule?
Yes.
Before the U.S. military
came,
did you learn English?
No, we didn't.
We learned Japanese
in Okinawa.
We did our best
to learn Japanese.
We learned Japanese
in Japanese schools.
We learned it
in the U.S. military,
but we learned it
in Japanese schools.
On the contrary,
we weren't allowed
to speak Japanese.
When the U.S. military came,
Okinawa had
an anti-Japanese group
called the Ryukyu.
The Ryukyu
came to Satsuma
and became an anti-Japanese group.
Okinawa was
one of the Ryukyu groups.
When the Ryukyu
became an anti-Japanese group,
the Satsuma group
and the Higo group
became an anti-Japanese group.
When the Ryukyu
became an anti-Japanese group,
the Ryukyu
became an anti-Japanese group.
The Ryukyu
became an anti-Japanese group
in Okinawa,
but when the Ryukyu
went to the mainland,
the Ryukyu
couldn't speak well
in Okinawa.
The Ryukyu
was ridiculed
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in Okinawa.
The Ryukyu
was ridiculed
in Okinawa.
The Ryukyu
was ridiculed
in Okinawa.
The Ryukyu
was ridiculed
in Okinawa.
And so
U.S. military
carried out
this battle
I thought, this is not good.
But my job was to go to Japan to work as a jeweler.
Okinawa is a poor country.
Everyone goes to work in Yamato.
So I wanted to study standard language
so that I wouldn't be mocked there.
There was a standard language school.
When I was in elementary school, there was a sign for the language.
There was a sign for the language.
There was a sign for the language in front and behind.
What was that?
It was a sign for the people who spoke the language.
Like a red card?
Yes, it was a sign for the people who spoke the language.
Like a punishment?
It was a punishment for speaking the language.
How old are the people who can speak the language fluently?
It depends on the area.
We try to set the standard not only at the school,
but also in the area.
We don't look at Kumijima.
It's a standard language.
Even in the area.
So if they see you using it...
Even in the area,
they say, you don't use the dialect.
In Naha, it's a town of merchants.
There are many people from the countryside.
Many people from Kagoshima.
There are many people from the countryside.
So we don't look at it,
but we speak the standard language.
If we only use the dialect, we can't do it.
So we speak the standard language in the neighborhood.
What about the northern part?
The northern part is the northern part.
It's a poor country.
It's called a barren country.
It's a barren country.
Even in Yanbaru,
it's like a big city in the old days.
It's the same on the main island,
but all the workers come to the southern part.
If you don't have a hard time living there,
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you use the standard language.
It's the same in the southern part.
In the southern part, it's peaceful.
The land is fertile,
so you can eat even if you farm.
It's the same in the northern part.
In Yanbaru, there are only mountains,
so you have to work hard.
You can't come here.
So we try to speak the standard language there.
It's the same in Kumeji.
In the northern part,
it's the same in Iayama.
It's the same standard language.
I don't know about Miyako.
You don't know?
Miyako is the dialect of Miyako.
That's why they come here.
Even if they are of the same generation...
They are different.
Yes.
I was born in 1929.
Some people were born in the 1920s.
Some people were born in the 1930s.
Until then,
in the countryside like this,
you don't have to worry about anything.
You don't have to move much.
In Yanbaru, people move.
In Rito, people move.
You don't have to move much.
You can eat here.
People like this
can be used in our house.
For me,
I use it almost perfectly.
Even if they are of the same generation,
in the countryside like this,
even in Yanbaru,
there is a town.
People there don't use it.
When you go to Naha,
in our generation,
there are many people
who can't use it in our house.
I see.
But I don't know.
Not only in Naha,
but also in other small places.
Yes.
In the countryside,
it's a matter of education.
You can't use standard language.
You can't use standard language for children.
In the countryside,
children use standard language.
But in our generation,
we can't use it.
My parents are a little older.
They are about 70 years old.
Parents speak in dialect,
but we can't speak standard language.
We are the same age.
We are the same age.
We are the same age.
In our generation,
there are many people
who can't speak standard language.
I see.
I didn't know that.
In our generation,
until junior high school,
there was a dialect school.
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There was a standard language school.
There was a group of people
who used dialect
to greet each other.
They were punished for that.
I see.
It was a time when
such a thing still existed.
I see.
Today,
I called Naoko,
Oto, and Katsuji.
Before the war,
after the war,
I asked them
about their life
after their father's generation.
I asked them
about the difference
in dialects.
When I was in elementary school,
my grandmother often
told me about the war.
At that time,
my grandmother often told me
that I was born
in a very good era
and that I should do my best.
That's what she often told me.
That's what she often told me.
That's what she often told me.
I see.
At that time,
when I was young,
I had a lot of troubles.
I couldn't choose the era.
I didn't know.
But when I became an adult
and became a foreigner,
I realized that it was true.
There is no era to compare,
but I'm not alive.
But when I imagine it,
it's very convenient
and I can go to various places.
There are a lot of foods
other than potatoes and tofu.
That's right.
Ice cream is the highlight.
Ice cream?
I'm in my early thirties
and I feel
blessed
when I eat ice cream.
I wonder
if my grandmother
still thinks so.
I'm not pretending.
That's what she said.
In the end,
I want a message
from my grandmother
who experienced the war
and my father
who lived after the war.
A message?
I don't know.
My grandmother
was a high school student.
There was a war
and she couldn't
go to school.
Her father was taken away
by the war
and she couldn't
go to school.
After the war,
she came back
to Japan.
After the war
in Japan,
she came back
to Japan
and started living
a normal life.
But
even though
she was
in the US military,
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she was still
working
in the US military
so she couldn't
go to school.
That's what she said.
She was in the US military.
She was in the US military.
I don't know.
Well.
I'm relieved
because
she was still a high school student.
She couldn't go to school
because she was sick.
She couldn't
go to school
because she was sick.
And
she couldn't
ride a bus
or a car.
After the war,
she came back
to Japan.
After the war,
she came back
to Japan.
After the war,
she came back
to Japan.
After the war,
she didn't go to school
because she was sick.
She stayed at home
because she was sick
and didn't know
how to get through
the war.
She didn't go to school
because she was sick.
She stayed home
because she couldn't
ride a car
and couldn't
get a job.
When I thought that, I thought about what I should do and what I should do to go home.
I looked for a car to go home and raised my hand.
Money.
Even if you look at it from the perspective of life, it was 75 years before the war in Okinawa.
Before the war, it was a time when there were no toilets in the house.
There was a toilet in the room away from the house.
If it wasn't for the war, no one would come to pick up the garbage.
In Naha and other cities, there were businessmen who picked up the garbage.
A ship from Kokoba came to pick up the garbage and used it as fertilizer in the field.
This is the sense of reality in Okinawa.
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There was a toilet a little away from our house.
In your generation, the toilet was a given.
The washlet was a given.
But 75 years ago, Okinawa was living like that.
Okinawa is a poor prefecture.
Out of that poverty, immigration came out and Okinawa became an immigration prefecture.
Okinawans who immigrated to Okinawa are mainly from South America, such as Hawaii and South America.
In Okinawa, they say that Okinawans are arrogant.
This is not something that Okinawans should be proud of.
Okinawans who immigrated to Okinawa did their best.
They let Okinawans go.
After the war, Okinawans sent pigs to Okinawa.
Okinawans helped Okinawans a lot.
Okinawans who immigrated to South America had a hard time.
But Okinawans were united.
Okinawans were united and helped each other.
Okinawans educated the second generation of Okinawans.
The second and third generation of Okinawans flourished.
There are many Okinawans in my generation.
All Okinawans are excellent.
I think that Okinawans are fighting with the will of the victims.
But Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
Okinawans fight desperately.
Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
Okinawans should unite and help each other.
Okinawans have a strong position in South America.
Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
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Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
Okinawans should not leave the poor as they are.
We have to make it a right to discard Okinawan people for work.
I want to tell all Okinawans to work hard.
Please don't leave the poorer as they are.
I agree with what Katsuji-san just said.
It's not like we're doing this because we're poor in Okinawa,
or because we're in need of help because of our social status.
It's more like we're doing this because we're proud of it.
I think that's a really good idea.
100% agree for my dad.
I tend to forget important things.
Then let's record a lot.
That's why I think it's a good idea.
It's a good idea.
I tend to forget important things.
Even if I forget last night's dinner, I won't forget what I ate 30 years ago.
World War II and their life after that.
How did you feel about it?
We discussed about recording Irenohi Special a couple months ago.
It's been 2 to 3 months.
At the very same moment we started publishing our episode,
I wanted to create an episode which really related to a local topic.
I was imagining how it would turn out when we were actually discussing about it.
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But it was so different from my imagination in a good way.
It was the first time to hear their narratives from my dad and my grandma at the same time.
It was pretty fresh to me.
New to me.
You often heard your grandma talking about the war in Minami, right?
Yes, I did.
But it was the first time we talked about it together.
He explained more of it and he translated to Okinawan to make her understand better about my question.
So I think it was good.
It was good to see the communication between the dialect and standard language.
It was interesting.
How about you, Akane?
I was so impressed that she talked about real episodes about the war.
How she experienced it and how she survived.
People are dying who experienced the war already.
So that was so important to listen to their stories.
And we need to tell that story to the young people.
It's like a peace relay.
I wanted to do that more.
Some people think that they don't want to talk about the war.
Because it's too sad and they don't want to remind of it.
But Minami's grandma wasn't that uncomfortable to talk about it.
So she opened up her story.
She got used to talk about it.
To me, she seems like she found her mission to talk about her experience.
At first, I thought she was very talkative.
But when I met her today, she said she didn't want to talk about it.
But everyone wants to listen to me.
So I have no choice.
It's like a mission.
It was hard and poor.
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My dad and my brother died in the war.
So I don't want to talk about it.
I wanted to listen to their stories and learn something.
I wanted the young people to be grateful for their lives.
I wanted them to study hard.
They couldn't go to school at that time.
I wanted to hear their thoughts.
Yeah.
Now, Okinawa is a tourist attraction.
It's an island where everyone can relax.
There are a lot of immigrants.
People in Okinawa are happy.
But there's a lot of history.
I want to be grateful for what's happening now.
I want to be grateful for peace and love in my busy daily life.
I want to do that in the future.
I feel the same.
Like Akane said, I want to cherish our lives, work, relationships, and people around us.
I'll do my best from tomorrow.
I want you to be grateful to your ancestors.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have been born.
I want to give positive energy to everyone listening to this special episode.
I hope you have a peaceful life with big love to everyone.
That's all for today.
Bye-bye.
