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せーの。 What's up amazing people? This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan, Japanese and English.
はいたい。 ぐすーよーちゅーがなびら。
イヤササレディオのアカネとミナミやいびん。
うぬレディオでぐすーよーんかい。
英語と沖縄口差にいっぺーうむさるはなし。
つづけやんりちうむとういびん。
Okay, today we have a guest.
He is an author, naturalist, ambassador to Greenpeace Japan and the Ministry of the Environment.
After recording 10 million hits as a record company producer,
he moved to New Zealand to have a sustainable, self-sufficient life by a lakeside forest
and have built a work style that is not tied to location, time or money
and does not depend on organization or institutions.
Since the birth of his first child, he has further perfected his minimalist work technique
and currently practicing a work style which is working only 3 days in a week
and in the morning hour to have time with his son.
He is also the head of Lifestyle Design Camp,
a school where students learn how to design their own post-capitalism lifestyle.
His newest publication, Extreme Minimalism, is now on sale.
Please welcome, Yasumi Daisuke-san desu.
Yay!
Yoroshiku onegai shimasu.
Is Japanese okay?
It's totally fine.
I can't speak Okinawan at all.
But really, this is the longest intro ever.
You are a VIP guest.
VIP guest!
But Okinawan is good, isn't it?
The sound is...
But you speak Kansai dialect.
Yes, I speak Kansai dialect rather than Japanese.
People who are listening may say it's not Japanese.
It's Kansai dialect.
We also say Uchinaguchi to cover the fact that we can't speak Japanese well,
but it's a mixed language that's a long way from the real Uchinaguchi.
Oh, it's called Uchinaguchi.
Our grandmothers' generation speaks Uchinaguchi,
and we speak Uchinayamato-guchi, a standard mixed-language Wakamono dialect.
I see.
I'm used to it. I also speak Osaka dialect, but Tokyo is long,
and it's like a halfway standard mixed-language Kansai dialect.
But I feel that Kansai dialect has a proper Kansai dialect in Keigo.
Hmm, that's true.
If it's a company meeting or a consultation,
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Kansai dialect is not a little vile,
Is it vile?
If you are told to speak Okinawan dialect, you can't do it.
Oh, I see.
Let's leave that aside.
The reason why Mr. Yosumi came to Yes Radio today is because
when I was a college student,
I was in a class that was outside of class,
and Mr. Yosumi told me that I don't have to do 20 things in my life.
I want to learn a lot about the 50 things I have to throw away in my 20s so that I can continue to be free.
Oh, that's okay.
That's right.
That's the one where the baby is Hiroshi.
Yes, the baby is Hiroshi.
He called me and let me give a speech.
I met him at that time.
Was it Mr. Fujino's speech or the speech at Ryukyu University?
I don't know which one.
I think I've been to both.
I don't know which one is earlier.
I think I've been to both.
Yes, yes.
Since then, the word Nomadwork
was probably too new at that time and had no meaning.
I was doing something like working without being trapped in this place.
I thought it was really good.
At that time, I was probably in my third year of college.
I really wanted to work like this person.
You told me before, when we met last time.
Yes, when I met him after a long time.
I said it because it was a little close.
After working for a black company,
I think I was able to adjust my working style freely because it was a black company.
I moved to Okinawa for a full-time job at a computer company.
I met Mr. Yusumi for the first time in 10 years last year.
And then this podcast.
Yes.
Last year, he called me by my profile.
In English, it's called Extreme Minimalism.
In Japanese, it's called Cho Minimal Shugi.
I went back to Japan after a long time.
I did a nationwide tour.
With PR for books.
I did a performance at bookstores all over Japan.
From Hokkaido to Okinawa.
I did a nationwide tour.
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The last day was in Okinawa.
I see.
At that time, I thought,
there is Minami-chan.
So I contacted her.
It was a separate event from the bookstore's book launch event.
It was a child-raising event.
Where was it?
It was a small cafe in Chatan.
Good Day Coffee.
It was a really nice cafe.
She asked me if I wanted to do an event.
She helped me.
Well, almost.
She hosted the event.
I came to Okinawa with my wife and my son, who was 1.5 years old at the time.
I didn't have legs, so I asked her to put me in the car.
I said, I'll do anything for you.
She said, please appear on the podcast.
I was very happy.
This is a return gift.
Minami-san, thank you.
I didn't expect such a return gift.
My work was so rewarding.
You did great when I was in Okinawa.
You helped us a lot.
I'll help you again.
We really appreciate you.
Anything we can help people.
I'm in New Zealand right now.
I have some business in the city library.
I can't go home at this time.
It's the quietest library in the city.
I'm talking in the corner.
My house is 20 km away from this town,
and there are about 60,000 people in this town.
It's a green town.
I live in the nature and raise my children there.
My online name is Monkichi.
It's not my real name.
It's an online name called Monkichi.
Monkichi is free in nature.
When I woke up in the morning,
I wanted to go to the forest.
I wanted to go to the field.
I wanted to take my children there.
When I came back to Japan for the first time,
I was a little surprised at first.
I was surprised at the difference.
The publisher is Tokyo.
There are a lot of media in Tokyo,
so I wanted to go to Japan.
I went to Tokyo out of the blue.
I was worried about my situation.
I was in a bad mood.
In the countryside, there is nature,
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but people are kind.
In the first place, New Zealand is a very friendly country.
In the countryside, people are kind.
When I go to a cafe or a town,
I don't wave my hand when I see people,
but everyone waves their hands with a smile.
I used to go to PR events in Tokyo and Osaka together.
There are many big cities,
so even if I wave my hand in the same way,
people usually ignore me.
I feel sorry for them.
That's right.
I thought I was a human being because I had the same face,
so I waved my hand as usual,
but I couldn't understand why
there weren't many people waving their hands.
I panicked a little.
I was in a bad mood.
I was worried.
I went to Okinawa for three days
and I was fine.
Okinawans are kind to us,
so even if I go to a cafe or a town,
people wave their hands to me.
I was relieved that I was fine.
I was very stable
and very happy.
When I was in New Zealand,
I was back to my original self.
The power of Okinawa is amazing.
I've always loved Okinawa.
When I was in New Zealand,
I was approached by a student
at the University of Tokyo.
I met Minami-san
at a small lecture.
He was a business consultant
in New Zealand.
He told me
that he would definitely go to Okinawa
if he was approached.
I love Okinawa.
It's the first time
to talk with him.
When I was in the Philippines,
many friends told me
that many amazing people
came to Okinawa.
I remember
I was told
that I could understand
the nomads.
I thought
I was going back in time.
I've known him for many years
but I couldn't meet him.
I'm very happy
that I can talk
with him now.
You were in the same group, right?
You were in the Philippines?
Yes, I was.
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Did you study abroad?
Before I went to New York,
I was in the Philippines
for a few months
just by myself.
To study English?
Yes.
Thank you, Minami.
Thank you for all
the universe,
the vibrations
that connect us.
Yosumi is
a natural person.
I love him.
When we came back
to Okinawa,
we went to
places
we've never been.
We went to places
to pray
and forests.
Okinawa is an island
with a strong spirit.
I think it's more
spiritual
for us.
I don't know
if it's natural
for people in Tokyo
to become like this
after being
consumed by capitalism.
I think I'm totally
different from
myself in Okinawa
If I lived in Okinawa,
I wouldn't be interested
in Okinawa's sea
and nature.
But when I went to
Tokyo and other cities
and came back,
I thought I was
born in a really
good place.
I think it's a really
good place.
You said earlier
that you would definitely
go to Okinawa.
I'm in charge of
producing music artists.
There are artists
I'm in charge of
all over the country.
For example,
radio stations,
local newspapers,
etc.
I think it's very different
because there is a network now,
but at that time
the network was not so widespread.
But I came to Okinawa.
Someone who wants to come to Okinawa.
That's true.
The advantage of Okinawa is
that
when we want to call people,
it's the same,
and when we move our base,
it's easy to refuse
to move to
the place where
everyone wants to come.
Especially in Okinawa.
That's why I think it's better
to make use of it.
By the way,
before deciding on
New Zealand,
were there any other candidates?
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Not at all.
One New Zealand.
How did that happen?
I've loved nature
since I was in kindergarten,
but especially
I liked water.
River, pond, sea,
etc.
Among them,
I noticed that
I liked the lake
the most
in nature
when I was in college.
I thought it was a lake
among all the nature in Japan.
The lake is a beautiful place.
Plus,
I love fishing.
This is a type of fish
called masu.
Masu is a type of fish
that can only be found
in cold water
such as
Nijimasu,
Iwana, and Yamame.
In Japan,
the lake is located
in the north of the Kanto region
or in the Kansai region
or in a place
that is a little closer
to the Kansai region.
When I was in college,
I lived
in Saitama prefecture.
From Koshinetsu,
Kanto,
I drove to the north.
At that time,
I lived in a van
for about half a year.
I was looking for
a place I wanted to live
in the lake.
Hokkaido was the best.
At the same time,
I was working part-time
from high school
and part-time work
when I was in college,
but I was told
that I couldn't handle it.
I don't remember anything,
I can't serve guests,
I was very responsible,
so I couldn't handle
customers at all.
When I was nervous,
my skin got hot,
so even if I was told
to learn something difficult,
I couldn't do it at all
when I was nervous.
I thought I
wouldn't be able to become a social person.
I entered the world of business
and became a social person,
I was evaluated,
promoted,
paid more,
I thought it was absolutely impossible.
However,
I was able to do it
by myself.
For example,
I was able to
catch fish and eat them.
There is a beautiful lake
in the countryside,
so I was able to eat
dinner there.
I was able to catch
fish and eat them,
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but when I wanted vegetables,
there were many farmers
around me.
I was often told to bring
good things,
but when I helped
them, they praised me.
You are like
the scent of my daughter.
I was praised for
physical labor,
such as moving part-time jobs,
construction site part-time jobs,
but
I was called
a white collar
.
As a social person,
it was absolutely impossible,
but I was able to live
a life like self-restraint.
I had a high survival ability,
so I was able to catch
fish and eat them.
There is a beautiful lake
and a field on holidays.
In Hokkaido,
there is a lot of winter,
so I thought it was tough
because I was submerged
.
The lake in Hokkaido is so beautiful
in Japanese,
but when I thought it was tough,
my best friend studied in
New Zealand.
I don't have many friends,
but my only best friend
said,
Daisuke, it wasn't Hokkaido,
it was New Zealand,
and we traveled
to Hokkaido together.
In Hokkaido,
it's hot in the summer
and it's about 30 degrees,
so there are a lot of places
like that in New Zealand
.
There are a lot of beautiful lakes,
so I decided
to move to
New Zealand,
but when I
first became a
social person,
I chose
a tough place,
isn't it?
Did you feel
that it was a step
in the preparation stage?
Yes, I like nature
so much that I
spend my whole life
fishing and doing field work
and practicing self-discipline
since I was a student.
People like that get younger
around me.
New Zealand is quite popular
and everyone goes to
it.
But I come back quite a bit.
I like it, so I go.
I don't have anything to do with it,
but I love it.
I like nature, so I go.
If you ask me how I got to New Zealand,
it's either self-sufficiency
or working.
99% of people
choose to work.
I work over there, earn money,
and live in my favorite place.
Depending on the person,
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I like snowboarding,
I like surfing,
I like mountains,
I like rivers,
I like the sea,
but I have to work
to live.
I went to Toa,
but I didn't have any skills
over there,
and my language skills
were mediocre.
After all, the job
I can do over there is a tour guide
or a Japanese restaurant.
At that time,
my seniors
loved fishing and moved to New Zealand.
I was a fishing guide.
It seems like a dream job,
but a fishing guide
is a job where
customers have to fish
, so it's hard
to find someone
who is good at fishing.
It's also a customer service
business,
so it's said that it's impossible
to go to a place where
there are no people.
So I realized that
I like to go
because I like it
without any skills.
What can I do?
I may be able to do
self-sufficiency somehow,
but I don't know if I can
do 100% self-sufficiency.
In the first place,
before self-sufficiency,
you have to buy
clothes
at least once a week
.
I've had a lot of old clothes
since then,
and I can buy a T-shirt for 200 yen
and a denim for 1,000 yen.
But I chose to live
and make a house,
but it was quite difficult
to make a house.
I went to the other side
and made a house,
but when I thought about
training to make a house
and actually starting to make it,
which would be useful
to find skills
as a social person
?
If you think calmly,
even if you try to live
self-sufficiency,
the world is capitalism,
so there is no way
that this capitalism
will change in 10,000 years.
I thought that
I needed skills
to live in this world
, not in nature,
but in this human society
other than nature.
I don't have it at all.
To acquire it
and
to make money
by working,
if you calculate the money
to buy a gun
for 100,000 yen,
for 10 years,
for those two purposes,
to accumulate money
to buy a house,
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to acquire skills
to live in a human society,
I had a goal
to get a job once
and the company
that made me cry
was Sony Music.
Then it was really hard.
But it's really
planned properly.
It's been planned for a long time.
At that point,
I felt like I could see
the future.
And it's amazing
that I'm heading for it
without breaking it.
That's how much you like it.
I'm told that,
but I just
didn't have confidence.
In my case,
I was confident
that those who said
that I couldn't do it
could do it.
I didn't have confidence in myself,
so I didn't plan
or hit a stone bridge
before crossing the bridge
to see if it was okay.
I didn't follow
that method.
Well,
if you think about it that way,
I think
Yosumi-san's idea
can be quite sympathetic.
About changing your life
all of a sudden.
I don't think
you've ever thought
about throwing everything
out there
and going abroad.
You have to calm down
and think about
how much you have now
and how many months
and so on.
You have to be a little
relieved
I want to make a plan,
but I don't think I can
make such a precise plan.
It's kind of difficult.
That's right.
The planning
there is amazing.
It's a bit rough,
but it's like
buying a house, money,
and skills.
But what can be thought of
in a 10-year span
is quite detailed
and the vision
of where you want to go,
including your delusions.
If you can get excited
about waking up in the morning
and drinking coffee,
I think you can do it.
Was Yosumi-san 39 years old
when he moved to New Zealand?
Yes, he was 39 years old.
So you don't know
what will happen in 8 years.
I don't know what will happen
in 9 years.
I'm sorry.
Does that mean about 20 years?
15 years.
He studied in the United States for a year
and returned to Ichiro.
He was 2 years behind
so he started working at 25
and quit at 39,
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so he worked for about 15 years
as an office worker.
Well,
what do you call
record companies?
Do they get involved with people a lot?
You need to know
how to communicate
and trends
so you need to have
a lot of information.
As far as I know,
Yosumi-san is not good at it.
I'm not good at it.
It was terrible.
It's amazing
that he continued
for 15 years.
I'm a little sick of it,
but
how do you maintain
your mentality and vitality?
Because
people who like nature
and the universe
and bigger things
get stressed
when they are
squeezed in the company.
I think it takes about 10 times
of other people's stress.
I think it takes about 10 times
of other people's stress.
I agree.
I'm writing about this.
I call it
a positive escape.
I call it a positive escape.
I call it a positive escape.
I call it a positive escape.
I mean,
as Minami-san said,
it was pretty tough
for me in my 20s.
It was pretty tough for me in my 20s.
I'm not good at it.
I'm definitely not good at it.
I was doing it
while thinking about it.
One of them was
when I moved to Tokyo
for the first two years
in Sapporo.
I was called to the head office
in Tokyo
for 13 years.
I moved twice.
When I was in Sapporo,
I rented a room
between the office and the lake.
I wanted to go to a lake called Shikotsuko.
It was so beautiful.
It took about 30 minutes to get there.
It took about 15 minutes
to get to the head office.
At first,
I lived in Chofu.
It was a beautiful lake
called Motosuko.
It took about an hour
from my house to Motosuko.
It took about 40 minutes
to get to the head office
by train.
The last place I lived in
for 10 years was
a beautiful lake
that took about an hour
to get to the head office.
It took about 30 minutes
to get to the head office.
If I can go to a beautiful lake
in less than an hour,
I can go there
whenever I want.
I don't feel like I can go there
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in two hours.
Less than an hour is a keyword.
I always did that.
No matter how busy I was,
I went to the lake.
It took about 3-4 hours by car
or I had to take a plane.
I couldn't go there that much.
In order to maintain
myself,
I went to the lake
in my natural place.
At that stage,
I prepared for a positive escape.
The other positive escape
was decided once in 10 years.
In the end,
in 15 years,
I became very interesting.
I was able to apply for a life insurance.
I was in my mid-30s.
At the same time,
I had a phobia of people.
It gradually disappeared.
Working with an artist
is like
staying in a tent
in nature.
The existence of an artist
is like nature.
It's very pure.
It's very pure.
It has a lot of purification power.
At that time,
the artist I was in charge of
had a big break.
It was hard for me
to quit my job.
Also, the rules in New Zealand
were changed,
so I couldn't shoot.
It took 15 years,
but I sensibly decided
in 10 years.
In my case,
I'm going back to New Zealand.
It's a place to go.
I want to regain
my true self there.
Now I'm studying abroad.
It's a long time,
but in the meantime,
I became an artist.
Originally,
I didn't have the ability
to survive in the human world.
I was not good at
socializing with people.
When I was young,
I realized that
artists are also human beings.
There is such a pure creature
and such a pure human being.
I don't hate humans anymore.
Oh, I see.
I prepared
a positive escape.
I want to go to New Zealand
whenever I can.
I'm studying abroad now.
If I don't have a way to escape,
I can't get out unless I'm locked in a dark room.
The door is always open.
If I get out of this door,
I can go to the lake.
If I get out of this door,
I can go to New Zealand.
That's how I maintained myself.
I repeat it over and over again.
The existence of an artist
and the music created by an artist.
These two things
heal me
as much as I love
nature.
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They gave me
a lot of energy.
I see.
Then you became a producer.
Moreover,
you have a position
where you can work
directly with an artist.
I think it's very lucky
that you were led
to that position.
We talked about this before,
but when you were in Tokyo,
you thought you were studying abroad
in Tokyo.
When you were in Tokyo,
the hurdle was high.
I felt like
I had a little experience.
I've been there for a long time.
I've been there for a long time.
If you happen to be in New Zealand,
you can go back to Okinawa
and get a part-time job.
That's right.
That's okay.
Originally,
I wasn't particular
about my career,
such as the number of years
in the metal industry
and the position.
But I thought
I had enough money
to eat delicious food
and travel.
That's why
I was a little relaxed.
I see.
I think music and nature
are pretty energetic
or invisible.
I guess
I can be a little far
from the real world.
I can be a little far
from the real world.
It's easy to relax
when you think like that.
That's right.
When I talk about
the story of this artist,
The same goes for the singer and the actor.
But the base of our activities tends to be in the city, even now.
But the kids around me who sing,
after all, they came back from Tokyo,
and now they're making music at home in Okinawa.
Their songs are good, and their vibes are great.
I think it would be nice to be able to work in an environment where you can be most comfortable in whatever job you like, not just in marketing or something like that.
Well, during the pandemic, it was a really tough job.
A lot of people lost their lives, lost their jobs, and had a very difficult life.
It was a tough job because there were people all over the world, but everyone noticed that.
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They realized that they didn't have to be tied down to their jobs.
There were a lot of people who noticed that, and one of the big ones was me.
When I was asked to write about Nomada, it was around the beginning of 2010.
Well, it was taken up by the media and it was interesting, so they took it up.
But I was told that it was impossible, and even if I published a book like that, it didn't sell at all.
The books that didn't sell at that time during the pandemic sold a lot, and they stopped treating me as a substitute.
I've been saying that for a long time, but I couldn't say it.
You were going too far ahead.
That's exactly what artists are like.
Music is all about vibes, right?
If you don't have good vibes when you're making music, playing music, or singing, you'll never get good vibes from people.
I think it's good.
I think creators and artists are the same as people who work in the business world.
Even designers can't find a place now, so they can do it anywhere if they have a MacBook or MacBook Pro.
It's spreading all over the world.
So, what I like about Okinawa is that, if necessary, the best place to go back to is the best class in Japan.
I think so.
Of course, there are people who were born and raised in Okinawa and think that Okinawa doesn't suit them.
For example, I was born and raised in Osaka, but I didn't live in Osaka at all.
I think it depends on the person whether their birthplace is the best or not.
But if you were born and raised in Okinawa, and you like Okinawa, and you like Okinawa people,
but if you think about work and other things, it's hard to stay in Okinawa forever.
I think there are a lot of people who go to big cities like Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, and Fukuoka.
I think it's better to go to Okinawa as if you're studying abroad.
It's not like abandoning your hometown and trying to do your best.
I'm going to Okinawa to study for a few years.
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Studying is probably different depending on the occupation, but it's about learning skills.
Also, meeting people from all over Japan, from Okinawa, from all over Japan, maybe from the surrounding towns and towns.
People come together, so you meet interesting people and get to know each other.
You might be able to meet a person or a partner.
It's a study abroad program for meeting, studying, and gaining skills.
It may be a year or ten years for some people.
I think it would be nice if people in Okinawa could go to places other than Okinawa with that kind of idea.
It would be nice to work together from your own experience.
I think it would be nice if everyone thought so, even if it's not just Okinawa.
But Okinawa is a special place, isn't it?
I think there are a lot of jobs that are too busy, especially in Japan.
If you're too busy, you know, there are times when your mind stops.
You're caught up in another bad zone and you can't go back.
I see.
You don't have time to turn to me.
Before that, go to bed.
I don't know if it's related to Corona, but in Japan, there are a lot of people who kill themselves, right?
I think there are people who have that kind of thing in the first place, but
I don't think it's a brainwashing, but it's a work style that's gone too far, but the brain doesn't work anymore.
I think that's what most people are doing.
That's right.
Last year, I published a book called Cho-Mimi-Maru Shogi and did a nationwide tour, right?
I asked the same question to everyone in the park, and one of the questions was,
How many people are busy and don't have time?
More than 90% of the venues raised their hands.
Only in Okinawa, it was less than half.
That's crazy.
It's funny.
But you know, Okinawa has the highest degree of happiness in the country.
In terms of the degree of happiness and the degree of unhappiness.
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One of the reasons is that people don't have time.
Inari-san told me that the suicide rate is actually high in Okinawa.
I was wondering why it was so high in Okinawa, even though everyone is busy and don't have time.
I didn't have to tell them, but I was like, oh, that's where it was.
Because they don't have money?
I guess that's one reason.
From the outside, Okinawa is easy to live in, it's close to nature, and the property is relatively cheap.
I have that kind of image in my hometown.
I heard that there are the most children's canteens in Japan.
I see.
Single parents.
Divorce rates are high.
I don't know if it's early to get married or early to get divorced.
I see.
Including that kind of freedom.
When we live together, we only meet people with similar living standards, jobs, and hobbies.
I wonder if there really is such a dark part.
There is.
I wonder if there really is such a dark part.
Those people have their own community.
It's strange. They're supposed to be physically very close.
They don't have much to do with each other.
I often think about it, but there are a lot of people like this Asian exchange student at a convenience store.
There are so many people, but I don't have any friends.
I don't want to talk about it, but I think it's strange.
They're close, but they don't get along.
That's true.
But as Mr. Yosumi said earlier, we're living in capitalism after all.
The more we try to get a free life, the less we want to be trapped in capitalism.
We're living with the idea that we can live without money, but we're trapped in the idea that money is necessary.
Maybe it's just that we don't have the planning power.
But if you want to get freedom, let's leave the definition of freedom aside.
In the end, you need money first.
Even if you try to move somewhere, if you're going to get your freedom by choosing a place you like,
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you have to be swallowed up by capitalism once.
If you don't hustle, you won't be able to get out of it.
And it doesn't depend on the standard of living.
If the standard of living is high, you'll be poor for the rest of your life.
Because the standard of living is high, you'll be poor for the rest of your life.
If you raise the standard of living, you'll have to maintain it.
That's why you're self-sufficient.
That's right. That's why I'm self-sufficient, so I don't get trapped in capitalism.
By the way, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Even so, I've been trying to do my best for 10 years, and it's been 15 years, and I've forgotten a few times.
For example, I'm in the middle of studying abroad now.
I'm making money to be self-sufficient in nature.
Even so, I've forgotten that I can't get rid of capitalism, so I can't get skills.
I've been brainwashed a few times and I've lost sight of myself.
At that time, I was the most afraid.
When I was about to lose myself.
I just realized that I was really losing myself.
What I'm most afraid of losing is...
Even if it's money, I don't have the wealth, gold, or treasure I have.
I'm most afraid of losing myself.
It's the same as losing your life. I don't want to lose myself more than that.
That's what I've always been fighting for in Tokyo, while being brainwashed by capitalism.
That fear.
So I thought, maybe I'm at my limit this year.
As I said earlier, I want nature and artists to get back to where they started.
I want to be able to maintain it somehow, over and over again.
I should think of it as using capitalism.
That's what I've always thought.
I don't want to be trapped by capitalism.
I'm going to use capitalism.
I'm going to use a convenient system called capitalism.
It's convenient, but you have to pay a price for it.
Like your time.
But it's worth using.
The purpose of using it is to realize your dreams.
In my case, I went abroad, to New Zealand.
I moved to a very far place.
And I had to buy a house in the first place.
I had to secure land.
I needed money, so I couldn't set it up for 10 years.
Everyone has their own dreams and ideals.
I calculated how much money I needed for that.
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I calculated how much money I needed for that.
I wish I could do that.
What visa did you get when you moved to New Zealand?
I got a residency permit.
Visas are difficult.
I went to work holiday.
Work holiday is the cheapest.
There are a lot of situations where you have to work hard.
If you do it well, it won't happen.
And there are work visas and student visas.
But they're limited.
You have to update it every year.
If you can't update it, you have to change it.
If you get a residency permit, you can stay in the country for a long time.
One of my goals was to get a residency permit and then go abroad.
It was one of my plans to hedge my risk.
I got it in 2009.
The moment I got it, I quit.
What is a residency permit?
There are various ways to get a residency permit.
The rules change from country to country.
In New Zealand, I found a job in a company called Gino Imi.
I got a certificate from the employer that I was employed.
A residency permit doesn't cost money at all.
But it was quite difficult to get it while I was in Japan.
I went to New Zealand 15 times.
So, while you're there, you need to find a job first, right?
Yes, I need to find a job.
You make a relationship with the employer, and then you move to another country.
Yes, yes.
I've been going back and forth for 15 times, and I'm starting to make friends and connections.
Actually, I'm looking for a job in high school.
I'm doing this kind of job in Japan.
I'm looking for a job with this kind of personality.
Everyone talks to me like this.
We talk more and more every time we meet.
In terms of self-sufficiency, you grow fish and vegetables.
Do you buy the rest of the daily necessities at the supermarket?
Yes, I buy most of the things at the supermarket.
I buy toilet paper and wine.
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I went to the supermarket for the first time in a long time yesterday, and I bought toilet paper and wine.
The food supply rate is about 90% when the weather is good in summer.
When the weather is bad in winter, it's definitely more than half.
I don't eat meat, so I haven't bought fish at the supermarket in New Zealand in the last 14 years.
When I order at a restaurant or a cafe, I don't order the fish I caught myself.
I don't order the fish I caught at the table or the fish I caught from my friends.
I put all the wetlands in the field.
There is no space left. I put all the space in the field.
There is a community garden.
I live in a small village by the lake.
There are a lot of things that look like me.
I rent a big sketchbook from the city and run a community garden.
I can get a lot of harvest there, too.
It looks like a lot of fun.
After that, I go around the village.
I said, I got a little too much.
Now, the fruit called Fijiwa is always around.
I can get it at home, but I go around.
It's really like exchanging things.
There is also a skill exchange.
I asked if it was a town business, and he said,
I'll do it. Give me the fish.
My friend who does the piping construction.
It's like a great-grandfather and great-grandmother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did you say that the population of the town where you live is 60 people?
There are about 60,000 people in the town where I live.
There is a small village by the lake 20 km away from here.
It's probably increasing now, but it's an era like this.
Even in such a remote area, there are more people who want to be connected to the Internet because it is rich in nature.
Even so, I don't think there are more than 200 people living now.
Wow, that's amazing.
The number is completely different.
You can't remember it because you're 60, can you?
That's true.
You're younger than the school.
Yeah, yeah. You can probably figure it out.
I'm like, oh.
If I bring a lot of sea breams to the people I always help,
that sea bream will go to another family,
and the family will say,
I got your sea bream from Daidai,
and I can deliver vegetables.
It's really nice.
It's really nice.
I think we can raise a child there.
That's true.
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Is that village a mix of immigrants like Yusumi-san and local people?
I think it's mostly immigrants.
I don't think there are any locals there anymore.
In the old days, the house was like a villa, and it was inconvenient.
The old lady who lived there was retired and living alone.
Her family moved here, and they thought it was a good place.
They used to play there when they were little.
Now they can work if they have the Internet.
Starlink is a satellite that was launched by Elon Musk.
Thanks to Starlink, the Internet has become very wide.
Nine of them are immigrants.
Are you mostly in New Zealand now?
Do you come to Japan?
I was too busy doing a lot of work before COVID-19 in New Zealand.
I've been in New Zealand for more than half a year, but I've been traveling around the world for four or five months a year.
I've traveled to 15 countries, or at least 10 countries.
Before COVID-19, I was busy with work.
It's fun to do multiple jobs while moving around.
But I wanted to focus on writing my own books.
But I quit my job.
I quit my moving life.
After COVID-19, I couldn't move around forcibly.
Since I announced it in 2009, I've been in New Zealand.
Last year, a new book came out for the first time in four years, so I went back to Japan for the first time in a long time.
A new book is scheduled to be released this year around October.
At that time, I will go back to Japan for PR.
It's like going back or not going back once a year.
It's always fresh.
Isn't it fresh when you come to Japan?
It's fresh.
It's very fresh.
Especially the last time I went back, it was very fresh.
Until then, I went back every year.
Again, I'm Japanese.
I love Japanese culture and tradition.
But I still don't think I can live in Japan.
In terms of my personality.
I'm more free and no one says anything to me.
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In Japan, I'm treated like a stranger.
I'm used to it, but I don't think I'm used to it at all.
No one thinks I'm strange.
I'm just a stranger.
You said you went to Okinawa with your wife, right?
You've been in Okinawa for quite a long time.
I finished my work in about two days.
I finished the appearance of the radio and the event in about three days.
The rest of the time, I just relaxed.
I met Minami-san, and we got in the car together.
I played with my local friends.
In conclusion, if I had to go back to Japan, I would live in Okinawa.
I can go to Okinawa for food.
It's nice to be able to go there.
It's nature.
It's like the vibes that come up from the ground.
As I said earlier, my little kid was very energetic.
I'm sure he felt that too.
Even adults can feel it, so I think kids can feel it more.
I'm talking about living.
I'm so happy to be told that people who have been to so many countries can live in Okinawa.
I'm so proud of you.
Did you meet Yosumi-san when you were in New Zealand?
Yes, I traveled the world often.
At that time, it was convenient to get used to Tokyo.
When I moved to Havu, I went to Tokyo often and met her there.
I wasn't interested in New Zealand at all.
I said, I don't know.
Well, I know, but I'm here, so I came.
Of course, I want to live a slow life like I like nature.
And I love swimming.
I love swimming in the lake.
But I can't live without me.
I don't have the idea of living.
I thought you got married because the values of your lifestyle matched.
That's not the case.
So you like natural things.
Yes. In the middle of Tokyo, I used to work as a reporter.
I didn't have any clients at all.
But there were people like that in the first place.
What kind of person do you like?
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I don't have a type.
I don't like people who are pure. I don't like people who are not pure.
I don't care about looks, educational background, height, or anything else.
I don't like people who are not pure.
Pure?
People like children?
Yes.
Tenshin Ranman?
Yes.
There are various types of pure people.
I think I can get along with Tenshin Ranman.
But it's a little different from Tenshin Ranman.
That's true.
I don't like people who are transparent.
I don't like people who don't have a backstory.
I don't like people who don't lie.
Of course, everyone tells a small lie.
But there are people who tell lies one after another.
I don't like people who tell malicious lies.
I don't like people who try to match what they say and do.
It's hard to match.
I'm always trying to do that, but it's hard to match.
I'm afraid of people who are different.
I don't know what they think.
I'm saying this, but the behavior is completely different.
I'm not afraid.
I think it's important to have people who are trying to unify their pureness.
But people like that don't have to be partners, they can be friends.
That's right.
That's right.
That's good.
Straight.
By the way...
In Okinawa...
Oh, sorry.
Okinawa?
I feel like there are a lot of people like that in Okinawa.
Maybe a lot.
Because there are a lot of people like that, there are a lot of people who are not so-called pure.
There are a lot of people who don't have any immunity.
That's why everyone is told not to be deceived.
That's right.
If you go out of Okinawa, it's like a battlefield.
Like Tokyo.
So I'm just going to study abroad.
In the meantime, I'm going to do my best to defend myself.
If I keep defending myself for a long time, my heart will be closed.
I'm not myself anymore, so I'm in a state where I can lose anytime.
It's probably a good idea to do it now.
Everything is a matter of interpretation.
Everything.
The way of thinking.
I'm going to go back to the topic.
Is there a rule between you and your wife?
I'm not deciding on a rule or anything like that, but I guess I'm doing it.
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I don't like to hold grudges.
I don't like to be held back.
I'm like, say it properly.
We have to create an environment where it's easy for each other to say.
That kind of communication.
There are times when you have to open your heart.
Then it's good to have an easy-to-say relationship.
But I'm really grateful that you say that as a man.
In my image, women say whatever they want to say.
But men don't say much.
They don't say it, but they try to solve it for themselves.
Like, don't you have anything to say?
Is that common?
I'm often told that I'm like a woman.
I say it a lot.
You say it.
That's true.
I don't like to keep it to myself.
But I think about how to say it.
The timing of how to say it.
Sometimes I make a mistake.
Sometimes I'm like, I'm sorry.
But things get bigger and bigger.
If you spit it out after that, it's going to be a big deal.
Before that happens, I'm going to detox and purify myself.
I'm not complaining because I'm dissatisfied.
It's just that I'm a little worried.
I'm like, can you listen to me?
That's very important.
You said you were like a woman.
I'm a little manly.
I'm the type of person who digests without saying.
I see.
I want you to say it.
You want me to say it?
I think it's better to say it.
I think it's better to say it.
We are given the tool called human language.
It's difficult, but I'll do my best to put it into words.
If you give up on putting it into words, it's the same as giving up on people.
I agree.
I can't express it in words or actions.
You have a partner, right?
Yes.
If it's a partner, I don't know if I can put it into words.
I'm not sure if I can put it into words, but if you say, can you listen to me?
I'll listen to you.
I see.
What's the first thing?
Yes, yes, the first introduction is important.
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If you don't put it into words or use the wrong words to make me feel bad, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, but I didn't mean to hurt you or complain about you.
I didn't mean to hurt you or complain about you.
If you make a premise, it's okay.
I'll do my best to put it into words.
Certainly.
It's difficult.
I'm sure you've thought about it before you've thought about it.
But it's also my bad habit.
I think there was a time when I was too used to being alone.
I think it's about building up teamwork as a team, polishing yourself, and balancing yourself.
That's why I asked Yosumi, who is a senior.
Did anything change between you and your wife after the birth of your child?
The bond is very deep.
Of course, pregnancy and childbirth are the opposite.
It's a job that women have to do with their whole bodies.
But I quit my job in 2019 and enjoyed it.
As a result, I was given this.
As a result, I spent most of my pregnancy time with my wife.
It took me 24 hours to give birth.
We've been together for 24 hours.
We're only apart when I go to the bathroom.
The bathroom is right next door.
I've hugged and massaged and cheered so many people.
I've always been in touch with my body.
I've never been so close to anyone.
I was pregnant with my child.
I'm the kind of person who can do all the housework.
I've been doing all the housework.
It's more difficult to build a partnership with just the two of us.
It's the most difficult project we've ever done together.
It's a big deal that we've overcome this together.
I'm sure there's a deep bond between us.
I'd be very happy if you could be with me during pregnancy, giving birth, and raising a child.
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As a woman.
There are people who can't do it if they work at a normal company.
Pregnancy and childbirth are very important things in life.
I think it's great that we don't miss them.
That's true.
Especially for men, it's hard to get a good night's sleep.
It's hard to get a good night's sleep.
But childcare is the most important thing in the world.
Oh, you mean the number of days you can get it.
Yes.
If you meet certain conditions, the government will guarantee two-thirds of your salary for the first year.
The government will guarantee half of your salary for the second year.
So even if you don't work for two years, the government will give you this much money.
There is no country like this in the world.
The unemployment rate of men is at the lowest level in the world.
Oh, I see.
There is a degree of unemployment.
Yes, there is.
But with the coronavirus, the unemployment rate has risen a little.
It used to be 50% until now, but now it's about 60%.
And the unemployment rate has also risen a little.
I think everyone is starting to look at their own way of life again because of the coronavirus.
And I think it's getting easier to take a break.
There's a lot more remote work.
It's been going well, but it's still a long way to go.
People say that, but when I saw pregnant women, I thought,
This is a terrible thing.
My stomach is getting bigger and bigger.
It's an experience I've never seen before.
I'm really sorry to push this on a woman.
But I can't do anything.
I can only lean on her.
As I said earlier, it's been 20 hours.
However, compared to the pain and suffering of a wife who gives birth to a cat,
it's about 1 in 10,000.
I can't do much, but I just got bitten by that kind of feeling.
As I said earlier, in the previous story about pregnant women,
telling the other person what you think,
I talked about how negative feelings get darker, darker, and bigger,
but rather than avoiding it,
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if you say what you think, the other person will understand.
If you say what you think, they'll say,
Oh, this person thought like this.
I didn't think anything about this at all,
but my partner was such a caring person. I see.
You know the other person.
If you're just living together, you don't know the other person at all.
As long as you don't use words to convey your feelings and thoughts, you'll never know.
But not everyone does that, including me.
As one of the means, it's a big deal to feel a little uncomfortable.
By telling the other person properly, you can understand yourself.
The other person understands you, so the partnership is strengthened.
That's true.
And, you know, happy things, not just uncomfortable or unpleasant things,
but happy things, fun things, a little emotional things,
that's what everyone shares, positive things.
There are things like, I want to hear, I hope.
That's how you know about the other person.
I see, this person is moved by these points.
I thought both were necessary.
Positive and negative. As a way to get to know the other person.
That's true.
Yes.
Yes, yes, Minami-san says yes.
I swear to my liver.
Does your partner say this to you?
Well, compared to me,
he may be a more understandable type.
Even if you don't explain it well in words,
you can tell by the color of his face.
But for me, more than that,
there are more things that are meaningless.
Minami is like that.
Even if you say this, you'll be told this, so you'd better say this.
It's not what you think, but it's what you say.
That might be true.
But the purpose of saying what you think,
and when the other person hears it,
and wants you to fix it in the end,
the words change.
But because you say it while thinking about it,
Akane is probably the type to say bang.
You're saying it for a purpose.
I don't have that kind of personality.
I think it's amazing that you can think that far.
I want to shorten the time.
But I don't think this conversation is short.
Yosumi-san is a person who uses time efficiently,
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so I was wondering what he was doing in terms of partnership.
I have a question.
When it comes to throwing things away,
there are things I can't throw away.
Things I drew when I was in elementary school,
I don't look back on them or use them at all.
They're in the way,
and things I tried to show when I was a kid.
Other than that,
I have clothes and textbooks from when I was studying abroad.
Textbooks too?
I even have that.
My parents tell me to throw it away right now,
but when I look at Yosumi-san's book,
I feel like I have to throw it away,
but I can't.
One point is that
it's better to keep something really important.
It's important to think about why you keep it.
I think it's a great output to show my children.
And people can't throw away their memories.
I always say that you can take your time to reduce the amount of memories you have.
Other than that, you can finish it in a short period of time.
You can put the memories in a box at the end,
look back on them from time to time, and reduce them little by little.
But I think there's a lot of them in my parents' house,
so I can't put them in a box and put them in my room.
My suggestion is to use the whole thing once or twice a day,
and look inside all the memories of your trip to your past self.
At that stage, you can decide whether you want to show it to your children or not.
If you have an output, it will be easier to judge.
I want to show this picture, but I don't have to show this picture because I have this picture.
I'll divide it up.
I'll finish it in two days, make it compact,
and sometimes I'll look at it and reduce it.
It might be a good idea to do it once in a while.
This trip to my past self is really good.
When I was in elementary school, I used to write down the scribbles in my report card.
Surprisingly, I remembered them.
I was like, I remember this.
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My mother used to take all of them.
I did it once.
It took exactly two days.
I did it as a thing to dispose of,
as a thing to put in a photo, as a thing to put in a video.
It's easier to say goodbye than to put it in a photo or video.
If you do that once, you'll get a lot of feedback on your current life.
I think it's better than spending those two days to go somewhere.
I'll do it soon.
Please let me know again.
It'll be refreshing.
I'm so moved.
Well, let's talk about Yosumi's various life hacks.
As Akane just talked about,
Yosumi's ultra-minimalism.
Extreme minimalism.
It's a story about software that can be used to organize data in detail.
As Yosumi is a cashless person,
she has a super-light wallet.
She has a pretty detailed brand name on it.
She writes a lot about how to use her time.
Please read it.
Thank you.
She wrote a lot.
She wrote a lot about how to organize her room and how to organize her memory box.
The physical beauty of the room is also important, but
when I work on my computer every day,
my computer is like a space in my room.
People who have a lot of garbage bags or files scattered all over their desktops
are really confused.
When I look at it,
I thought it would be easier to throw away the data.
From what I've heard so far,
Minami is really living by referring to Yosumi.
I am.
I have the image that she's doing everything, like being cashless.
Yosumi is referring to her way of working,
but Okinawa is not too cashless.
That's right.
In Okinawa, it's pretty cashless if you can't do it.
There are times when I'm told to pay cash for a taxi,
and there aren't many cards to use.
There are a lot of places where you can only get cash at a restaurant.
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Those places are usually delicious.
Yeah, that's one of them.
That's why you have to carry cash with you.
I see, I see.
What I like,
I leave a little, or hold a lot of volume.
Other than that,
Yosumi is good at outdoors,
so she probably has a lot of that stuff.
But we don't, right?
So I keep a lot of the stuff I like,
and throw away the rest.
Yeah, that's important.
If you lose something you don't need,
new, good things come in.
That's right.
If you look around, you don't need most of it.
Yeah, I think so too.
I'll bring it to GIF or something.
Well, thank you very much for today.
Thank you.
Do you have any plans to come to Okinawa next?
I'm going to go to Okinawa again at the timing of the new volume coming out in October.
October or November.
Time flies.
The manuscript was already completed last year.
I'm doing the final adjustment to put it together in a book.
Wow.
I want to see you in October.
I'm looking forward to it.
Please come to Okinawa.
I look forward to seeing you in October.
So, that's it.
Thank you for coming, Yasumi-san.
Arigatou gozaimashita.
Bye.
Bye.
