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せーの What's up, amazing people? This is iYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan, Japanese and English.
はいたーい ぐすーよーちゅーがだびゃん イヤササ レディオのアカネとミナミやいびん
うぬレディオでぐすーよーんかい イエーゴとウチナーグチさんに
いっぺーうむさのはなし つづけやんでち うむとういびん
なんか目をみて言いたくなった
We have a guest, Rei-san desu.
Thank you for coming.
Let me introduce her.
レイ・タジマのキャリアの始まり
Rei Tajima found the passion and love for fashion and makeup at a young age in Japan.
In 2011, she moved to New York City to further perfect her skills.
She assisted for Pharah Homiri and Chiho Omae for a couple of years.
At the same time, she built for her portfolio step by step.
She broke her own.
Rei has seen her work featured in publications such as Vogue, Elle, Harper's, Bazaar, Document Journal,
T Magazine, WSJ and others.
Rei's clients include Versace, Tom Brown,
Calvin Klein,
Philippe Lille,
and Adidas.
Rei Tajima is a makeup artist from Japan.
She found the passion and love for fashion and makeup at a young age.
In 2011, she moved to New York City to further perfect her skills.
She assisted for Pharah Homiri and Chiho Omae for a couple of years.
At the same time, she built for her portfolio step by step.
Rei Tajima is a makeup artist from Japan.
Rei has seen her work featured in publications such as Vogue,
Elle, Harper's, Bazaar, Document Journal,
Philippe Lille,
and Adidas.
Rei's clients include Vogue, Elle,
It's been a while.
It's been a while.
Thank you for coming.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
ニューヨークへの道
Ray, you're from the fashion industry.
Hair and makeup.
That's right.
It's amazing.
Dream job.
How did you come to New York?
I went to a makeup school for two years.
During that time,
Mr. Chiho Omae came to my seminar.
And there was another famous hairstylist called Peter Gray.
And there was also an assistant named Masa.
I got in touch with Masa.
And I told him that I wanted to go to the backstage of the New York Collection.
And he said,
If you pay for the plane ticket,
I'll take you to the backstage.
It was my first year at a vocational school.
When you were in Japan?
Yes.
When I was a student in Japan.
I was 18 or 19 years old.
I went to the backstage of the New York Collection for the second time.
The first time I went to the backstage of the New York Collection
was before I entered a vocational school.
I went to an art school when I was in high school.
I brought a painting that I had drawn for three years.
I was selected as a pure elementary school student.
I went to the backstage of the New York Collection
with about 30 other elementary school students.
Only two of us went to the backstage of the New York Collection.
And I won the interview.
That was my first time in New York.
When I went to the backstage of the New York Collection,
I was determined to come back.
So I went to a vocational school.
Famous people like Mr. Chiho and Peter Gray came to exchange contacts.
I went to the backstage of the New York Collection for the first year.
I went to the backstage of the New York Collection for the second year and contacted them.
I came to New York six months after I graduated.
That was in 2011.
So you didn't work in Japan at first.
You prepared for the New York Collection when you entered a vocational school.
What made you want to do makeup?
My mom used to be interested in makeup.
But I wasn't that interested in it.
But when I was little,
when I was in middle school or elementary school,
I cut my bangs by myself.
It was this long.
At that time, my mom wanted me to hold a pair of scissors.
She wanted me to know the reason.
That's what she thought.
I wasn't interested at all.
But when I was in high school, I went to an art school.
I like painting and colors.
But it's an interesting story.
I like painting, but I'm not serious in class.
So when I was drawing on a pencil,
my teacher asked me,
what do you want to be?
I said, I want to be a hairdresser.
She got really angry and told me to quit.
Really?
She said I wasn't good enough.
I got really angry and quit.
You were frustrated.
Yes, I was frustrated.
I drew a lot.
At that time, I was studying oil painting.
I did my best in oil painting.
I got a scholarship.
My teacher was really angry.
I think that's the biggest reason.
When I was in my third year,
I thought about what I wanted to be.
I thought I should go to an art school.
So I went to Bantam Design Research Institute.
It's located in Osaka and Tokyo.
I went to an art school in Osaka.
When I brought my painting,
I was selected as a primary school student.
I took an interview.
Then I went to New York.
If I hadn't taken that step,
I wouldn't have been interested in New York.
You had a chance to go to New York,
so you woke up in New York.
If it was Paris,
I might have wanted to go to Paris again.
ファッション業界での経験
The New York collection is really energetic.
There are a lot of people.
Backstage.
I was on the backstage a few times.
That's right.
FIT, right?
I was so busy.
But it's fun, right?
It's fun.
I was so busy because I was young.
I totally understand.
No matter what I was doing,
I felt like I was doing anything.
I think it's because I was young.
I couldn't do what I wanted to do now.
Did you do special make-up?
I used to like special make-up,
but now...
What? Now?
I think I used to do that before.
But now I do a lot of model make-up.
That's right.
Because it's fashion.
メイクアップとファッションの体験
I think it would be different if you went to a movie.
Like a wedding.
There are different types of make-up.
But I think fashion is more fun.
That's true.
It suits fashion.
It's a hair and make-up that uses fashion.
The New York collection has a time limit.
I was a FITTER,
so I was told to wear this model at first.
I had a set of clothes and accessories.
I had a lot of photos.
I had to have all of these.
I had to cycle a few times.
I had to take it off like a doll.
I had to take it off like a model.
There were two of us.
If I wore pants, I had to wear shoes.
If I wore a necklace, I had to change it.
I had so much to do.
What about hair and make-up?
Make-up?
I had so much to do.
The thing is,
the models also have a show on time.
For example, in New York,
they have a show at 1 p.m.
and a show at 3 p.m.
The models don't come on time.
If the previous show was on time,
they would be late.
So I had to hurry up and do my make-up.
That's right.
We had to do half of our make-up.
But we also had to do our hair.
If we didn't do it together, we wouldn't make it on time.
It was a war.
It's amazing how you divide half of your make-up.
You can do the same thing over and over again.
Yes, yes.
But that was the end goal.
There was a key person who did the make-up.
We imitated the key person who did the make-up.
So the end goal was the same.
If it was a collection, it would be the same.
Yes, yes, yes.
We would do what was decided.
This is just my opinion,
but I have the image that there are a lot of black women in make-up.
Is that so?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I think it depends on the show.
The people you met were like that.
Yes, I think so.
Black people might be in charge of black models.
Even now.
Because you can make it beautifully.
Yes, that's right.
Asians are in charge of Asians.
But I don't know how it is now.
I don't know if it's the same now.
I haven't been in the show for 6 or 7 years.
When I started doing it myself,
the show was an assistant,
so I didn't do it anymore.
If I wanted to go, I could go.
It's a learning experience for the key people.
フリーランスとしての働き方
So you are like a freelancer?
Yes, I'm a freelancer in the agency.
So you are like a hair stylist in the agency?
Yes, that's right.
You get a lot of work?
Yes, that's right.
The agent gets the client's work request,
and if there is a vacancy,
or if there is a schedule,
or if there is a budget,
the agent does everything for you,
and you just go to work on that day.
I see.
It's easier to do that.
So you do your hair and make-up in New York,
and now you are raising a child,
and you are also a hair and make-up artist.
That's tough, isn't it?
I don't think you can get rid of your worries.
You get a job the day before.
It comes suddenly.
It comes suddenly.
So who do you ask for that sudden job?
Because your mom is always watching.
You contact your mom first,
and check if you can go tomorrow,
and if you get an OK,
you contact the agent and say you can go.
But it takes a lot of time,
and even if it's a job you really want to do,
if your mom can't do it, you can't do it.
That's right.
Because I'm still young.
I'm one year old, four years old.
I'm going to kindergarten.
It's a 3K program.
3 years kindergarten.
I graduated recently.
But now,
I don't have school in the summer,
so I have to pay for it.
I see.
Yes.
How much did it cost to give birth?
5,000 dollars per person,
or 6,000 dollars.
My mom does everything.
But if it was in Japan,
it would be 400,000 to 500,000 yen.
But she'll come back, right?
She'll come back.
She'll come back,
but the country pays for it.
And if you exceed the amount
set by the hospital,
you'll be fined.
Oh, if I don't exceed it.
If you don't exceed it,
you don't have to pay.
If it's a low-cost surgery,
it'll be expensive.
But if it's a natural delivery,
if you don't have a vaccine,
you don't have to pay.
And you can choose a hospital room.
I see.
It's expensive.
So the cost might not be that much.
It might be more expensive.
It depends on my insurance.
If you have good insurance,
you'll be covered.
But the insurance fee is expensive.
The insurance fee is expensive.
Some people pay $1,000 a month.
It's more than the rent.
Everything costs money.
Everything costs money.
Everything costs money.
It's all about money in America.
Even if you pay,
you can't say anything.
アメリカの医療費と育児
Because you don't go to the hospital
as easily as Japanese people.
That's right.
The way you think about health
might change.
If something happens,
you have to survive in America.
But in Japan,
even if you have a cold,
you can get medicine.
It's cheap.
American pharmacies have
a lot of medicine.
So you don't have to go to the hospital
as often.
Even if you go to the hospital,
you can buy it at the open counter.
So you go to Walgreen's
or CVS and buy it yourself.
You have to manage it yourself.
You have to go to the hospital.
Sometimes,
there are prescribed drugs.
But it's scary.
The drug problem.
I've seen shots of influenza
in pharmacies.
Have you?
I've seen it.
It's so instant.
It's expensive,
so you have to put it in the pharmacy
and manage it yourself.
フリーランスと保険の問題
It's self-management.
If you get hurt, it's over.
It's over.
It's over.
Because
if you break a bone,
how much do you have to pay?
If you break a bone,
you can't fix it yourself.
How much do you have to pay?
If you go to the hospital,
you have to pay millions.
Do people in America have insurance?
Not everyone.
Low-income people
probably don't have insurance.
It's the same in Japan.
So they don't go to the hospital.
They can't go to the hospital
because they don't have money.
I'm a freelancer,
so I don't have insurance.
I only have insurance
because my husband has insurance.
That's why
I think a lot of freelancers
don't have insurance.
It's hard.
キャリアと妊娠
Did you get pregnant
as soon as you were born?
Did you get pregnant
as soon as you were born?
Did I get pregnant as soon as I was born?
In terms of my career,
I
might have been planning
to get pregnant.
I didn't want to get pregnant
right away.
I got pregnant in 2016.
I thought it was too early
to get married.
I was 25 at the time.
I got married in 2016.
Of course,
the next step was
to have a baby.
I covered my ears.
I had to step up my career.
If I got married now
and had a baby,
I wouldn't be able
to go back to makeup.
Then,
I turned 30
and became
an agent.
I joined the agency
in January 2020.
Hair and makeup artists
have a competitive advantage
when they join an agency.
Once you join an agency,
you can
maintain your status.
That's how it was.
I joined the agency
in January 2020.
It was during the COVID-19 pandemic.
I was working
in January and February,
but I was off work in March.
I didn't work for about a year.
At that time,
I joined the agency.
I thought,
I've been staying at home
for a long time.
You thought,
I should get pregnant.
Wow.
It was smooth.
I checked a lot.
I checked a lot.
It's not easy
to get pregnant so soon.
That's true.
I got pregnant
and gave birth.
The second child
costs a lot of money,
but I got pregnant right away.
I thought I wanted siblings.
Well,
this year,
I'm 35 years old.
I was born
in March
2024.
I gave birth to my second child
in March.
If I were to give birth
4 years later,
I wouldn't have enough energy.
My career...
My life is
focused on my career.
That's why
I'm always thinking
about how to maintain my career.
Me too.
You too.
We always
bump into each other.
But I gave birth to my second child.
We're both boys.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
I want a girl.
I can't choose.
What do you think about
raising a child in New York?
It's different from Japan, isn't it?
I guess so.
What do you like about
raising a child in New York?
Well,
first of all,
it's a race.
Children can learn about race.
Children from
different countries
live together.
In Japan,
I don't think
you can experience that.
Especially in New York.
There are
different races on the train.
If you look at the world,
people who are fighting
are on the same train.
I think that's strange.
That's true.
I think that kind of environment
is good for children.
I think it's a little
friendly.
I don't know if that's the right word.
ニューヨークでの子育て
I think it's lively.
It's like your body is moving.
You play music right away.
It's expressive.
It's lively.
I don't know about Japan.
What do you think about Japan?
I think
Japan is safe.
It's safe.
That's right.
Is it beautiful?
It's beautiful.
There are toilets everywhere.
I think it's a hospital.
That's right.
Children don't need
medical expenses.
If you have a fever,
you can take them to the hospital.
That's right.
If you have a fever,
please stay at home.
You can't live abroad
unless you have a fever.
That's true.
That's right.
You have to work hard
and raise children.
In New York and Tokyo,
you have to cook.
You have to live.
You have to have
your mother's support.
If you don't have that,
it's impossible.
Everyone is looking for something.
I see.
In New York,
even if you don't have children,
it's hard to live.
It costs a lot of money.
If you don't speak quickly,
you can't order a product.
That's why you have to
speak up every day.
You take your time.
I was told to pay attention.
If you grow up in such an environment,
you can live anywhere.
That's true.
Mentally stronger.
In New York,
I feel like
I'm a tiny person.
I feel like I'm a tiny person.
I feel like I'm a tiny person.
You're tiny.
I don't feel that way here.
There aren't many people like this in Okinawa.
I feel like I'm one of the cells
in a very large cell.
I feel like I'm being washed away.
Do you understand?
I understand.
That's why
if you're in a good environment
or meet a good person,
you feel like you're a good person.
There aren't many beautiful places,
so if you see a beautiful place,
you feel like you're beautiful.
You feel like you're happy
because you're small.
It's chaos.
It's chaos.
It's chaos.
It stinks.
It really stinks.
It's noisy.
It's noisy.
But where you live,
it's a little more peaceful.
It's completely peaceful.
That's a good thing.
ニューヨークでの生活
It's a good environment for children.
It's a good environment for children.
It's far away, but it's a distance
between the bus and the train.
It's really good.
It's really good.
There are houses lined up.
There are houses lined up.
There are houses lined up.
I live with my older son.
You live with your older son.
You live with your older son.
I live in the same neighborhood as Okinawa.
Nice.
Isn't there anyone younger than you in Okinawa?
There are a lot.
I have the no. 1 birth rate in Japan.
Wow.
But there is overwhelmingly more elderly
in Japan.
So you live a long life?
I've been dying early lately.
You're dying early in Okinawa.
I'm getting older and older.
I'm getting bored.
There are a lot of people in Japan who live to be 80 years old.
Compared to Norwegians.
They may live longer.
Yeah.
I see.
So, Ray, what kind of relationship did you have with your husband?
My husband...
Well, Akane-chan knows this, but...
There was a Japanese restaurant where we worked.
There was a shop called Omen.
I worked there as an accountant.
I see.
So, Akane-chan knows this person.
His name is Tommy-san.
Is he working in an office?
No, no.
His name is Tommy-san.
I don't know if you remember his face.
His first name is Michael.
Michael came to New York in 2011.
I don't know if you know, but there was a church in Tenri-kyo.
It was in a place called Flushing in Queens, New York.
He was also from Tenri-kyo.
I think that's how it was.
So, Michael and I got along.
That's how we started dating.
I see.
You have a lot in common.
I worked at Omen.
I was also a member of the church.
We had a lot in common.
I see.
So, your partner didn't necessarily want to be from Tenri-kyo.
It was just a coincidence.
That's not true at all.
But, as Masaki said,
I grew up in Tenri-kyo,
so I don't think of myself as a Tenri-kyo person.
But, what I've been taught
is probably ingrained in my body.
So, we have a lot in common,
like our way of thinking.
I think that's why I was attracted to Tenri-kyo.
I see.
I'm sure there are a lot of religious people in New York.
How do you feel about Tenri-kyo?
How do you feel about the atmosphere here?
I don't think there are many people in America who know about Tenri-kyo.
Not Christian or Buddhist.
But, I don't know.
There are definitely good things about Tenri-kyo.
But, there are also bad things about Tenri-kyo.
If everyone has a good heart,
there will be fights.
It's more peaceful.
That's the goal.
If everyone thinks like that,
there will be no fights.
But, in the end, there is a reason.
It's the English language.
There is hatred.
Because of that,
wars happen.
There are fights.
That's what happens.
So, in order to spread that,
I think there is a church called Tenri-kyo in America.
I don't know how to say it.
I think it's better to spread the idea than the name.
It's not because it's Tenri-kyo.
If everyone has a good heart,
nothing will happen.
So, if there is a movement to start a war in America,
will the people of Tenri-kyo be like,
Oh, that's sad.
天理教の理解
But, if it's not Tenri-kyo,
everyone will be like,
Of course, there are people like that,
but there are also people like Go.
Yes.
People like Go who go to war.
But, on the contrary,
I'm Japanese,
so I think I can feel a lot of things.
In terms of the environment.
I haven't studied Buddhism or Christianity,
so I don't know how to think about it.
I can't say anything about it.
Well, how can I say?
I think it's good that it's Tenri-kyo.
Because it shows the way.
Yes.
It's Tenri-kyo,
but I don't think it hides much.
I don't think it's bad for that religion.
I don't think there are many people like Rei-san who don't hide it openly.
I don't think so.
I don't think there are many people who dare to say it unless they are asked.
I don't know about Japan.
It's hard to ask someone like that in a conversation.
But we thought we shouldn't ask.
We remembered Rei-san's Tenri-kyo,
so we wondered if we could talk about that topic.
I see.
I don't think there are many people who have a religion.
I see.
Or maybe I'm like that.
When I go to work,
Japanese hair stylists and photographers
ask me what I do on Sunday.
They ask me what I do on the weekend.
I say I go to church.
They ask me what my religion is.
I say it's Tenri-kyo.
Even for Japanese.
Everyone around me knows Tenri-kyo.
I don't think there are many people like that.
Maybe.
I don't think so.
Maybe it's because it's New York.
I don't think there are many people like that in Japan.
Maybe.
There aren't many people who have a religion in Japan.
Maybe it's just that there aren't many people who don't die.
Japan has a lot of barriers when it comes to religion.
What did you think when you were in Japan, Rei-san?
I was serious.
Not serious.
What did you think?
My mom and dad are both Tenri-kyo.
They grew up in a church.
They got married.
It was a small house.
God was praying, but it was small.
They worked day and night.
So I wasn't that serious about Tenri-kyo.
During the summer and spring break,
the students would gather and live together for a week.
We would learn from each other and have fun.
So when you were little, you didn't hate Tenri-kyo?
No.
I think there are kids who grew up in a church.
天理教とその影響
Maybe they have pride.
Maybe.
Maybe they hide it.
They might be attracted to it.
When I say, Tenri-kyo,
there are definitely people who will take a step back.
But just by being troubled by the reaction,
they're like, what is that?
It's like, what should I have said?
It's confusing.
The image of Shinko-shu-kyo is that
the episodes of people who feel bad about being involved
tend to go up.
Of course, I understand that not everyone is like that.
But there are some people like that.
That's the image.
It's hard to hear.
So they think,
if they were dismissed,
they wouldn't be involved from now on.
They wouldn't run away.
It's like, will it start from here?
Maybe.
I don't intend to be involved at all.
I'm just like, Tenri-kyo is fine.
It's fine.
That's how I settled down.
That's how I grew up.
I don't intend to be involved.
If you're interested,
you can ask me.
Do you get involved because you want to spread the religion?
But all religions
are not the same as being involved.
But some people interpret it the same way.
If you think you're being invited,
some people think you're being involved
because you want to spread the religion.
That's possible.
That's why it's important.
There are people who spread the religion
if they get involved.
I see.
I totally agree with you.
There are a lot of misunderstandings.
If you come to me when I'm in need,
it might be helpful.
If not,
I feel like I'm being attacked.
I feel like I have a different religion.
I feel like I can't be saved if I don't believe in it.
You're right.
I feel like I'm being pressured.
I see.
宗教的な体験と文化の違い
I went to a Catholic kindergarten and middle school.
My family is not Catholic.
But I had a lot of friends who went to church.
My best friend was Catholic.
When I stayed over,
I had to wake up on Sunday morning to pray.
So I went to her house.
Only Catholics can eat bread.
I was jealous of that.
You wanted to eat bread.
I couldn't eat it.
Because you're not a Catholic.
They don't give it to guests.
I couldn't drink blood.
I couldn't eat bread.
I just prayed in the back.
That's a tough one.
Minami gave me all the cookies.
Really?
The cookies and the white one are different.
What's the white one?
The white one was the body.
The body?
Yeah, the body.
I don't know.
Is it like a stone?
Yeah, it's like bread.
It's thin.
Is it bread?
It's a special bread.
It's not like the one you eat every week.
Yeah, the priest gave it to me.
I don't know if it's grape juice.
But you drink the red one.
I see.
You can't do that.
Yeah.
Because you're not a believer.
It's a ritual bread, right?
It's not just bread.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's because you're poor,
but in the next session,
you can ask the priest to make a circle around you.
That's when you can pray.
You hold hands and sing.
You do this on your head.
He does it for me.
He cleansed me.
He cleansed you.
It's funny.
You sing in a loud voice.
It's funny, right?
Because I see that,
Catholicism is normal.
I don't feel uncomfortable.
You're used to it.
Yeah.
I don't know the meaning,
but I used to say amen to the Buddhist altar in Okinawa.
Oh, I see.
So you say amen instead of utoto?
I learned utoto.
What's utoto?
Utoto is a worship in Okinawa,
but you say utoto when you pray.
That's cute.
I used to say utoto first,
and then chichitokoto.
I heard it from Emiya.
So you mixed it up.
I mixed it up.
That's my religious story.
That's good.
But in Okinawa,
most families
worship the Buddhist altar
as if it's normal.
When the moon is set,
they make offerings at home
and pray.
Numi's mom does that too.
Does that mean people from other families come too?
Huh?
Does that mean people from other families come too?
It's more like
people who are related to their parents
worship the Buddha at home
and make offerings
at the corner of the house.
I see.
Also,
they make offerings
to the Buddha.
They make offerings
and decide what to do on that day.
At that time,
they have a lot of kumpen and karupan
at the supermarket.
They also have mochi and tempura.
You can also order juubako.
At the end,
they make offerings
at the window.
They say goodbye to their ancestors.
To their ancestors.
It's called mitamasama.
They make offerings
to their ancestors.
That's right.
They make offerings
to their ancestors.
Thank you for watching over us.
You're welcome.
ミキ・ナカヤマの教え
You said you came from Shintoism,
so it might be a bit similar to
worshiping your ancestors in Okinawa.
But we're not worshiping our ancestors.
That's right.
We're being taught by
Miki Nakayama.
Is Miki Nakayama alive?
She's not alive.
She's from the Meiji era.
She's not alive at all.
But she exists.
Yes, she exists.
And Miki Nakayama
spread her teachings.
So Miki Nakayama
came up with her own ideas.
Her ancestors
came down
through Miki Nakayama
and told people
not to think
like this.
They told people
to wash away their thoughts.
Yes.
For example,
let's say you're injured.
Let's say you're injured
and your stomach hurts.
You might think,
why am I getting angry?
Why am I getting angry?
Think about it.
If you think
天理教の教えと信仰
it's your fault,
the pain
won't go away.
To put it simply,
it's like a miracle.
Yes, it's like a help.
The way of thinking.
But of course,
the original
beginning of the help
was Samba.
It's a Samba
that receives
a baby.
It was a Samba.
So it's like
giving a child
a favor.
It started
from the way of helping.
And
there was a god
in the temple
and the villagers
told him
that
their god
couldn't see.
What should they do?
He answered them
and told them
what to do.
That's how it started.
I see.
I've never
doubted the temple,
but
my family
has been coming here
since I was in puberty.
Who is
Miki Nakayama?
I don't know
Miki Nakayama,
so I can't believe it,
but
the first thing I learned
was that
in the teachings,
there is a pride
of wanting,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
宗教の多様性と受容性
hating,
having an anger
and
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating,
hating.
We have to
think and
There's nothing negative about it.
So I've learned that.
Well, it's not that I've learned it,
it's not that I've been able to do it,
but I spend my time with that kind of mindset.
That is, well,
how should I put it,
rebellious,
or I can believe it.
There's no doubt about it.
There is.
So it's not about who taught you,
it's about the concept.
It's something that you can believe in
because it's good for you.
That's right.
That's how it is.
That's true.
But when I was listening to you,
I thought it was true.
When I heard the content of the teaching,
it was like,
in order to be a good person.
That's right.
If the teaching is the main thing,
it may have a different impression
from other three major religions.
It has a loose feeling.
Well, in other words,
there are things like,
you can't do this.
For example?
In other religions,
you can't eat this kind of thing.
No, no, no.
You can't have children.
There's a teaching like that.
You can't have sex until you get married.
There's no such thing.
Wait a minute.
I don't think
it's a bad thing at all.
I don't think so.
Because there are people
from Christianity
who come to worship.
So it's totally welcome.
Anyone.
It's a hybrid.
So I don't think it's a bad thing.
It's really good.
You can't eat meat.
I don't think so.
It's open-minded.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That kind of thinking.
It's not because I'm an atheist.
I hope people who see this
will change their minds.
I don't want to be lenient.
But I don't think
atheism is like this.
It's a religious belief,
but it's not serious.
It's not that hard.
I got that impression.
I see.
When I asked you
what people from atheism do,
you said they play music
or do their job.
I thought
it was the same
as the New York Exhibition.
There's also painting.
A lot of things.
I see.
There are people
who are interested
and come to see
local people.
I see.
They hear drums
and wonder
what it is.
In churches,
there are
stained glasses
with Jesus and Mary
and organs.
What is the church like
in Tenri-kyo?
The headquarter
is in Tenri-shi, Nara.
There are
three temples.
It's like a circle.
In each church,
there is a shrine.
In the middle
is the Lord God.
The Lord God is Miki Nakayama.
Here is Mitama-sama,
my ancestor.
The headquarter
has three temples.
In each church,
there is a shrine.
In the middle
is the Lord God.
It's like that.
I see.
It's like Shinto.
In Tenri-kyo,
it's called Shinko-shu-kyo.
When you study it,
for example,
ancient religious
Buddhism and Shinto,
are there people
who go there?
What do you call it?
Do you go to Tenri-kyo?
I don't go there,
but when I go there,
I look up
the original.
I wonder if I should study it.
I don't know.
It's completely different.
It's different.
I see.
The roots...
It's not correct
to say the roots.
I don't know the roots.
The Lord God
Nakayama
has another religion
that inspired him.
I wonder what it is.
Religion is not from the universe,
but if you follow it,
you can find all three religions.
Of course, there were religions
in the Meiji era.
I don't know
if I should go there,
but I wonder
if I don't care.
Or maybe
the interpretation
of the roots is different.
I felt like
it was the roots.
I wonder.
When the Lord God
Nakayama
spread the teachings
through him,
there was no temple
or church.
But
the place
where the Lord God
Nakayama spread the teachings
was Tenri City,
Nara Prefecture.
From there,
the name Tenri City
became Tenri City.
Until then,
it was just a village.
I see.
But
the Lord God
Nakayama
spread the teachings
through him.
Interesting.
Rei-san said
that there are
different Gods
in different religions,
but they all have
something in common.
How did you feel
信仰と共通の目標
about that?
Does it mean that
everyone has the same goal?
Whether it's Tenri,
Christianity, or Buddhism,
we all have the same attitude
to believe in something.
We all have the same attitude.
We all have the same attitude.
I think so.
Agreed.
Everyone
may have different
thoughts about religion,
but we all have
different goals.
But we all have
the same goal.
I agree.
I hear that
a lot in Okinawa.
I see.
I've talked to people
who have the same goal
many times.
There is my favorite movie.
There is a movie
called
Jodie Foster and
Matthew McConaughey.
The theme of the movie
is about religion
and science.
In the end,
everyone has the same goal.
It's a great movie.
I recommend it.
I'll watch it.
オキナワの地域活動
I didn't say anything,
but I think so.
Everyone has the same goal.
I agree.
Everyone believes in something.
Everyone has a group.
Everyone has a group.
We can choose
the path of marriage
or raising children.
We can choose
the path of marriage or raising children.
It's good for people
who are lost in the path.
It's good for people
who are lost in the path.
It's good for people
who are trying to be independent.
It means
there is a place to be held.
If there is someone
who is lost,
if there is a church nearby,
there must be someone
who listens to the story.
I want to see
the place where children are.
But there is also a place
for children's cafeteria.
People in need
can go
There is a church that has a children's cafeteria in Okinawa.
Oh, really?
There is a children's cafeteria in Okinawa.
Oh, really?
Yes.
What?
Magane-chan?
Yes.
Oh!
That's amazing!
Yes, so it's a third place.
It's a third place apart from school and home.
Yes, yes.
That's great.
Yes, yes.
It's easy to talk to.
There are people you can talk to.
Yes, yes.
Other than family and friends.
Yes, yes, yes.
That's amazing.
I think it's very similar to providing food and gathering to pray.
That's amazing.
Yes.
But the Akane-kyo is made.
Yes.
It's really the same.
That's amazing.
That's true.
But I respect that kind of thing even more.
Because I'm a Tenri-kyo, I have to be nice.
I sometimes carry that kind of thing.
But even if I'm not a Tenri-kyo, there are a lot of amazing people.
I think it's amazing.
Thank you.
I really respect that.
You too.
But there are quite a few.
There are a lot of good people.
It was an interesting story.
人とのつながり
It's deep.
It's deep.
From your career to Tenri-kyo.
We started recording yesterday.
We've been meeting for the first time in 10 years.
Like friends.
But we suddenly contacted each other and met like this.
You stopped me at home.
I was really happy.
We were like, let's meet again.
The connection.
Yes.
It's still within the prefecture.
So everyone goes to study abroad, work, and go to various places.
But there may be people who meet at this timing and connect somewhere in 10 years.
So let's take care of each other.
Yes.
I thought.
Yes.
That's all for today.
Bye.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Bye.
