#67【真の健康は食事ではなく食べ方か。食品添加物世界一の国、日本】You Are What You Eat or How to Eat

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It is said that there are about 1,500 types of food additives approved in Japan, with the

United States coming in second with about 140 types, showing a significant difference.

Although it cannot be accurately compared due to differences in standards between countries,

Japan has the highest number of food additives in the world. Consumers tend to excessively

concern themselves with the appearance of food products, such as their color, when choosing

what to buy. For instance, there are many food additives used to make processed foods

like ham and sausage look vivid. A social structure where criticism of major food companies

and beverage manufacturers who are sponsors is not allowed is also a reason for this situation.

The food additives that should be especially avoided include 1. Synthetic coloring agents,

2. Sodium nitrite, 3. Potassium sorbate, 4. OPP, orthophenol, and TBG, thiabendazole, 5. Artificial sweeteners.

日本で認められている食品添加物は約1,500種類と言われています。

スポンサーである大手食品企業や飲料メーカーに対して批判的なことは言えない社会構造も理由が挙げられます。

OPP, Orthophenylphenol, TBZ, Chianbendazole, artificial sweeteners, etc.

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OPP, Orthophenylphenol, TBZ, Chianbendazole, artificial sweeteners, etc.

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OPP, Orthophenylphenol, TBZ, Chianbendazole, artificial sweeteners, etc.

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OPP, Orthophenylphenol, TBZ, Chianbendazole, artificial sweeteners, etc.

Shunkanreitou without food additives?

Shunkanreitou-gijutsu, sugoi.

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Shunkanreitou-gijutsu, sugoi.

No, I mean

frozen food for

sometimes

I don't want to prepare food

I don't want to cook food

or I don't want to go out

and eat

you know, for like

lunch break or

when I'm alone

at home

then it's better than conbini

But the 7-Eleven

frozen food is also good

I think I've watched it on TV

You should try

Which is healthier though

I mean, I'm not a big fan of

frozen food ever

but you know, so many people say like

frozen nowadays is so good

and I tried it

and it is good

it depends on the stuff

It tastes like

probably better than like

cooking sometimes, right?

But I can't keep

eating frozen food every day

sometimes

it's good

but every time I feel so

sad

Sad?

Because it's not fresh

Cooking by myself, cooking by

somebody, cooking at restaurant

is the best, always

Mom's cook is the best

So like the frozen food

like tsukudani

it's so advanced

the soup is good

but the side dish is not

the good one is good

but more than half

I think it tastes like

frozen food

like meat

So I think it's better to

cook by yourself

Yeah

I thought my mom's cook

is always organic

like when I grew up

but now

I knew she was using a lot of

Ajinomoto things

so I think I'm

made by Ajinomoto

basically

Ajinomoto is not

that bad, like people

say

It has so, you know, underrated

food

It looks like powder

so it looks unhealthy

Expensive

not taste good

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but you're healthy

Which do you like?

I wanna choose

organic food with a

good taste

That's for a rich person

Yeah, so

everything is capitalism

Not for everybody, for everyday

It's for like a special occasion

But I know

I know how you feel, we wanna eat

like good food all the time

But sometimes

eating

not good food is more

exciting

That's how your mental health

keep healthy

So total

view, you are healthy

Mentally, physically

Yeah, eating food additives

thing

But you know, eating junk food

I mean, eating a good

taste of junk food

by knowing it's bad for you

tastes so much better

You know, this guilt

I feel guilty about it

and that makes it so good

Yeah, I agree

Yeah?

I mean, when you eat something

you can't start eating them

thinking like

It's not good for me

No, you're gonna appreciate it

you know

and eat it

Like how?

You just think that you're blessed

to be able to eat

everyday

Yeah, I mean

it's better than nothing, right?

Otherwise, you're gonna be

you know, hungry

Some people try to eat

like a good food everyday

with using

a lot of money

It sounds so difficult for me

to do it

I sometimes wanna eat McDonald's and like junk food

from convenience store

But I also wanna eat good food sometimes

So the combination is the best

I guess

But it's so hard

to eat good food

in busy days

How about if you have like a billion yen

per year?

I'm gonna hire a chef

and they're gonna order

good food for me

But you still wanna eat McDonald's sometimes?

Yeah

for fun with my friends

at midnight

Fun means happy

Eating junk food

is not for the health

but for your experience

your memories

Like it's so

you know

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it's so

amazing

that food additive can be

But that's

because you eat

sometimes, right?

If you eat McDonald's everyday

and you're tired of it

and you feel unhealthy

everyday

It's not good for you

your body and your mental health

And also your tongue

gonna be numb

that can't taste

sensitive food

You know, a lot of Japanese people

use expression when they

eat something good

It's yasashii

Right?

I think like

so unique

in only Japanese food

term

I never felt yasashii for other

fallen food

Japanese food is the best

So food additives

it's not that bad

I mean, it's impossible

to avoid

100%

And if you have money

if you're rich

Yes

Go for it

Hire someone

who take care of you

But it's still

hard to

avoid every food additives

You know, even

a basic ingredient

has food additives

Like what?

Shoyu

Hozonryo

That's food additives

Since I started

working out at the gym

I tried to eat good food recently

and sometimes

I feel like I used

food additives a lot

but I don't have time to cook

That's why

I was interested in

food additives

That's why I can recommend

a frozen food too

Frozen food sounds

not healthy for me

It's not like 100%

healthy but

Is it better than like a

Konbini gohan means like a

konbini onigiri and obento

Konbini rice bowl has

many food additives

What about like a grocery store?

Every vegetable

grow up

with the

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chemical stuff anyways

You just

can wash it. There is like a special

powder to get rid of

every chemical stuff

from the veggies

But I don't care

If you boil it

or cook with the fire

Otherwise it's gonna be so

How do you say it?

For me

In my opinion

People who eat

organic food and vegan food

are so sensitive about food

That's how

they are stressed

How they feel stressed

Sometimes

people who really don't care

about healthy food

healthy

But too much eating

unhealthy food is not good

for you

I mean it's always

taking a good balance

I think

health comes from

your mind

I mean food of course

But how you think

how you take the food

is more important

I think

How you take the food means like eating

with somebody else

Eating with people

or like your appreciation

when you're eating them

Like how you focus

on eating

If you're watching TV

or message online

and eating

on the side

You're not eating 100%

You need to

focus

on eating

For me, eating outside is

very nice

It tastes delicious

Like even bento

or any kind

You mean like take out and eat at the beach

Yeah, like a picnic stuff

I love them

It tastes good

Like tasting at the grocery store

tastes good

I think it's small

portion of rice

I don't know why but it tastes

very good

I think that also tastes good

but I think it's nostalgic

from your childhood memory

Also

Especially when

mom generation stuff

Yeah

Hand out

food sample

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Mom's figure

so it's easy to eat

Mom's figure and it's small

special

occasion

is important

For example

When you eat bento, it's usually

inside but if you go outside

it's like a special occasion

Even course menu

I don't even know

if it's very good taste or not

but in that

situation, it tastes good

because it's small portion

with atmosphere, right?

I think that's

very good point

So like using

good dishes is also a key

at home

When it comes to drink

Maybe

Cup

Tasty cup

Tasty glass

Glass that makes water tasty

You know what I mean

Sometimes cup changes

my mood

I want to drink coffee with this

I know

Yeah

It tastes better

I mean like occasion

and how

we take

seriously

for eating

It's good for health

but choosing healthy food

comes to second

I think

I think healthy is

about taking

good time to eat

Taking good time

to cook, right?

So if you

I know you are busy but if you take time

to cook a little bit or

if you take time to go shopping

good food and if you take time

to eat with your friends or family

it tastes better and

your health is much better

Even if you eat same thing

It depends on a situation

and with food

or with wear

I mean

we couldn't find that kind of evidence

but I think that's

kind of

true

If you eat organic food

in dirty place

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it's not healthy

You mean like polluted?

Yeah

Or if you

eat organic food with someone

you hate

Yeah, that's worst

Tastes bad

with

bad atmosphere

Okay, so the best

version is

eating

eating nice place

with awesome people

Yeah

Okay

Nice place with good people

eating organic food

is the best

Good taste organic food

Yeah, good taste organic food

So how about

without stress

How about when it comes to

all kinds of organic food

tastes very good

I think it's coming

But

there is no choice

then

There are so many vegan people

or like vegetarian

different kinds of

have preference

eating

that grow their industry

that means the taste

gonna be better and better

What about the price?

What about the process?

It's so capitalized

so you need to earn money

Poverty makes you die

I've talked

about health

and other technology stuff

with some people

and we always say

healthy cannot be

capitalized

first of all

that is what it is

we need to be

rich to buy

healthy life

If you wanna live long

you should earn money

Yeah, but that doesn't

prove enough

Okinawan people are happy and live longer

without money

Yeah

Do you remember our grandma

generation?

They eat so much food additives

Campbell soup?

Hell no

It's so unhealthy

and tastes so good

I love Campbell soup

But they live until 90

I don't know why

I think

women tend to live longer

than men, right?

Because they love chatting

Yeah, yeah

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We were talking about it

about

blue zone

Chatting with people

about random stuff

It's good

Men always talking about

politics

Right?

Talking about

random stuff

Talking about

eating

laughing

I think it's important

Yeah

Even with the food additives

The women is

good at making community

Right?

That's how we

survive

Even if

you are in like bad situation

your friends and family will help you

Yeah, I mean

You know, women tend to

share everything

Even in a bad or good thing

But men tend to

hide

and try to look strong

Yeah

Make them weak

Make them unhealthy

Yeah

Healthy is

food

If it's only about food

One of them

Yeah

Yeah, first priority

is keeping good mental

health

The second will be like food

or like exercising

I mean

what we need to do to have

good mental

exercise

Entangle with people

I mean

I think just eating

itself, it's good

You know, if you have appetite

that's amazing

You can eat whatever you want

It doesn't matter it's healthy or unhealthy

As long as you keep eating it

That's like you live in a good

life, I think

Yeah, some people can't eat

When they

are heartbroken

I don't have appetite

Huh?

You are super healthy

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Probably you are

I have a negative mind

but I want to eat

So your heart is not negative

I can't eat

when I break up with somebody

But

you have to eat one meal a week

Yeah, I don't feel full

I only eat a little

You do

Just a little

But I don't feel full

You feel full

My heart is full

But

I don't

feel like that

I feel lucky

I eat too much

But

there are people

who don't have appetite

Yeah

But if you don't eat

I don't have energy

to do everything

Yeah

People don't eat

they don't have energy

That's why they are healthy

Yeah

Adrenaline makes them

work so hard

But when it's off

you are going to break down

I think it's all about immune system

Yeah

Mental health and immune system

I think they are close

I went to

health check-up

with you

and I got

a letter

of saying

I probably have some

I was so upset about

I didn't

even imagine

I have any cancer

because I thought I'm healthy

After that, I need to go

check-up again

for weeks

I was so worried about

That

fact

makes me

weak

sick

You feel down

Yeah

I searched about

and I was asking

my friends

They were like, it's gonna be okay

It's normal to happen

Something like

Hitopapilloma virus

is the cause

of the

Cervical cancer

This is like

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everyone has those virus

but some people kept having

Hitopapilloma virus

It's about

immune system

I think

immune system connects to your mental health

a lot

Even

after the check-up

I didn't have any virus

I became more

healthier mentally

I know

You feel like so secure

Yeah

Even

the doctor said

if you have a cancer or disease

you shouldn't

think about too much

If you start thinking about too much

that makes you sick

Health check-up

is important

but

I thought

it makes me feel down

But you know

It's so easy to say

don't think too much to others

But it's so tricky

and so hard

I even say to my partner

or the friends

You don't need to think too much

You're safe now

When I had

my stomach test

I searched every

fucking moment

Same thing

Find the same answer

There is no meaning of searching

That doesn't make me

feel safe

or anything

So you know

It's just easy to say to others

Yeah

But you know

that kind of anxiety

during the test period

until you get the result

We are

anxiety because we don't

know what to

fear to

You know what I mean?

If you find out you got the cancer

then you need to face it

You have that kind of

agenda

to solve

During the test period

you don't

know the fact

You have no idea what's going on

Sometimes waste of my time

thinking too much

That's the situation I had

I was even

the moment I have a cancer

The next what I'm gonna do

I need to cut something

and I can't have kids

so I need to make baby right now

During the in-between period

Yeah

I think

no matter how strong you are

you feel anxiety

You have confidence

If you are over 30

you can't say anything

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with confidence

You think it's ok

but

during the uncertain period

you are positive

but you feel anxiety

It was good learning

for having check-up

in short period

I wanna go

a health check-up every month

Every month?

I don't wanna miss

anything

You don't need to go that far

You can find it every year

Don't skip

health check-up

Or go to dentist

That can be monthly

I wanna have

my own teeth

till I die

so that I can eat

Eating good food

makes people happy

Healthy is expensive

You can't save money

for having good health

But

the relationship between

money and health

is very interesting

There are many people

who are healthy without money

Yeah

On the other hand

there are people

who want to be healthy

and look weak

Those people

want to be healthy

but

at the same time

they want to be safe

That's right

Today I ate this

so I'm fine

We were talking about

the parents

having allergy kid

tend to eat

organic or

any healthy food

It's so strict

and sometimes be stressful

Stress causes

allergy?

No, no, no

Having allergy can't solve the problem

and they tend to eat

start eating good food

and they stick with it

But you have experience for that

Yeah

I was

raised

with organic

or the good

healthy food

in my whole

entire of my life

but with the junk food too

Since I got

diagnosis as an

eczema

me and my mom went to

like dermatologist

like everywhere

in Okinawa, even for

mainland Japan

and

you know

like a famous doctor for eczema

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you know

there are a couple

they always suggested me to

you know

gave me

the list of not to eat

or should eat

and like

not to eat list is like

everything is like my favorite

you know

any kind of daily product

or you know

you liked it because

you are not

used to it or you don't eat

every day

Every day of what?

Like Starbucks or any junk food

No, I

like the

Starbucks thing before or the ramen

thing but even

when I was the worst

version

of my skin

my mom

allow me to have

Starbucks

Good mom

Every time, I even feel guilty

for her

like she's

You mean she didn't really care?

No, I mean she's the one who

take me to the hospital

you know every month

she was the one who made

the very best effort

to me

but she also let me eat

for me

so she did everything for me

you know what I mean?

Don't care about

the doctor

care about how you feel

right

it sounds so contradicted

but I kind of

felt safe like she's

thinking about you

yeah, I mean she is not

you know someone I need to

scared of

she's not gonna be

hey, don't eat this

don't do this

she was not pushy

she also

knows that what kind of food is bad for me

so she cooked

every day

but she also took me to Starbucks at night

so that's why

the combination of

contradicting

she didn't

push me

I think it's amazing

that she gave me

yeah

I don't know what is better though

like I can say

like don't eat these things

but I also feel like

I wanna let them eat

because they look so sad

so like

yeah, let them eat

let them eat

but that fact is not good for their health

they will learn

yeah

be patient

I said like my mom

let me eat

or drink Starbucks

but

consequences come to me

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every time

you know

so you know she was kind

but it's like

自業自得 thing for me

it's about

food but it's not

like it's about everything

と思うわけ when it comes to be parents

like when they do

like bad things

and outside at home

but when they come back

you wanna like

scold them but

you also want to

甘やかす them

it's like a

balance

yeah because they wanna see

us happy too

they wanna us to be healthy too

so it's

kinda parents dilemma

そうだね

but for me as a kid

then that

contradiction works

for me so good

you know cause there is

always a pros and cons

good or bad

taste bad, taste good

thing, you need to know both

you don't need to be

controlled by anyone

even a parents

parents control their kids

but also let them

be free

yeah

like when it comes to eat

food and your favorite ones

like it depends on your

parents taste

for example

some of my friends don't eat

a lot of vegetables

or like they have

too much preference

it's because of parents I think

parents didn't

give them

vegetables because they didn't like it

but they should have

forced them to eat sometimes

so that's how they

know the taste

it's not like

食わず嫌い

if they did it

they are too grown up

and they are not so brave

to eat vegetables now

っていう

factみたいな

and also

if your parents don't like some

like when it comes to my parents

they didn't really like milk

乳製品 things

that's why I didn't

drink too much

I didn't like milk

at 給食

I can't drink because my friends liked it

and I wanted

to imitate

I wanted to follow them

that's how I knew the taste

like when I went to America or Korea

they like milk

they eat

they use milk

in cooking so

that's how I knew

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つまり

and now I let them eat

what they don't eat

いろいろな

ものはやっぱり食べたほうがいい

ってことだよね

bad for health

you should have

you should have like

a chance or

opportunity to eat everything

I think

you can say to not only

for eating stuff

it's about whole life

if you

feel

that you're under

someone's control

you don't have a power to choose

everything you want

then you're gonna

feel shrink

because you don't know

but if you have

like every kind of

choice

then you will think very

seriously about what you

make

そうかも

今

アカネと親の

食べ物とかの話してて

思ったけど

my dad let me smoke

and drink when I was like

kindergarten

for the first time

because I was curious

and I asked him like is it good

you can try it

by yourself

taste bad

so I didn't smoke

after that

だから

I didn't like smoking because my sister

and brother didn't like it

I was a big fan

of my sister

and brothers

so I wanted to follow them

follow what they do

that's how I didn't

like smoking

わからない

外に興味があったからさ

お酒とかもなんで

なんか

いいなみたいな

me?

違う、自分がさ

興味があったりアカネは

フォローしたいシスターがいたりしたらさ

それ真似するわけじゃん

逆にお姉ちゃんがめっちゃやんちゃしてたら

それを真似してたかもしれないじゃん

そうだね

だから

あんまり

食べられることは

何でもよくない

そうだね

親とか子供とか別に関係なく

自分自身

今大人だから全部自分で決めるじゃん

食べるの食べないの

自分の頭の中でさ

健康志向な

自分とジャンクフードな

バランスを取るわけじゃん

たまには破滅的なぐらい

ラーメンとか食べてもさ

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別に変わらんし一日で

I know how parents feel though

何でもいいことを

教えたいとかさせたいとか

I don't want them to do

like not good things

みたいなのもわかるけど

They will know everything

when they grow up

Yeah, they will choose

I don't think

they will choose in a bad way

if they already experienced

a bit of everything

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Yeah, so

You never know

Things are always natural

何でも

Let them see, let them try

Yeah, and I think

Let them try food I leaves

I think they already tried

Like some of my friends

are stick with like

good food to

little baby

Like when they are young

they didn't

like they don't

let them eat snacks

絶対お菓子

あげないとか

虫歯ができるから

If you give them a snack

they will like it because it's good

あげればいいさ

あげてから好きになるさ

それか

もう海外とか移住するしかない

ニュージーランドとか行けば

あんまやばい

ケミカルなのない地域に行くわけよ

だって小学校とか行ってさ

友達が食べてるもん

食べたくない?

食べてたよ

流行りのっていうかお菓子とかあるさ

でも美味しいとは思わなかった

子供の時に

無理して食べてた

それはなんでそうなったかはわからん

しかも

Preference

親じゃん

親だけど

お菓子より美味しいものあげればいいのか

いくらとか

Different kinds

お菓子より美味しいものなんてない気がするけど

ビューエミニオンステーキ

とか

でもお菓子って手軽にポイって食べれるから

お菓子なんだよね

お菓子より高級な桃とかの方が美味しそうじゃん

それの方が一応美味しいし

ナチュラルな甘さだけどさ

えーみなみ結構

人それぞれだと思うね

親の育て方もあるけど

ずっとお菓子とか与えられなかった子供が

大人になってめっちゃお菓子好きになってる人とかもいるし

逆もいるし

なんかみなみみたいに

どっちもオッケーだぜみたいな感じで育てられても

いろんなの食わせばいいんじゃん

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そうだよだから

Let them free

なんでも

なんかこう

例えばさ

悪いものはい悪いですやらないでください

って言われるのと

悪いと言われてるらしいけど

自分で確かめてはいかがって言われるのってさ

言われる方の好奇心度が違うじゃん

自分に

生まれた瞬間から

だから別に

そうだね

だからでも

自分が

何かを育てようとすると

やっぱ自分が子供だった時のことをさ

思い出せばいい

逆にするのって結構難しい

なんかこう

だって犬にでさえさ

なんか今幸せかなとかさ

今怒りすぎたかなとか

みなみが言いたいことどれだけわかってるんだろうとかさ

思うわけよ

本人は何も思ってないのに

子供できたらやばそうだけど

だから今がいい練習だと思って

Let them be free

だからほったらかす訓練

そうだね

犬と人間は

勝手が全く違うだろうけど

Mindsetは

似てると思う

別に自分のパートナーでも

めっちゃ縛りつけて嫉妬する人もいるさ

それは原因は何だろうって

考えたりするのも大事じゃん

そういう人たちは自分がね

でも縛りつけるって結局

Your egoだからね

確かに

なんか

不安な気持ち

ざっくりだけどあるじゃん

たまに

さっきの健康診断も

間の時間が一番不安で

っていうのがあったけど

なんか昔

ジョン・キム先生の本で読んだわけよ

不安とは何かみたいな

不安とは

自分が何を不安に

思ってるかわからないその正体

何かわからないから不安

だから何か

特定の不安事があるんじゃなくて

何かわかってないから不安

っていうのがあって

だから問題を結構

分析して今

これが自分の心配事かって思うと

It's gonna be less anxiety

You know what I mean?

57:00

それめっちゃわかるかも

わからんばよだから

Too much on my plate

I feel anxiety because

I don't know what to do

But if I list up what I need to do

It makes me feel

comfortable

あと決めるだけ

だから

漠然とした不安とか

実際ないと思う

本当は

So much detail

But you just

Don't avoid to face yourself

Talk to yourself

Open up

How you feel

So then

Yeah

You can still eat

Food additives

Might not be

Very bad

I know as a result

Food additives

Isn't

Much of issue

Of life

Yeah

そんなにストレスアウトすることじゃないよ

そうだね

Overall

だから

一応気にして

食べた方がいいけど

幸せとか健康になるための

要素ってそれ以外に

もっとめっちゃある

You're right

とにかく

食べれてること自体は素晴らしいから

食べればいいし

人とできれば食べればいいし

このジャンクフードも

どんだけ体に悪いものも

なんかこうguilty

感じない

Used to prevent from food poison

By eating

Food additives

どういう意味?

Food poisonを

アボイドできてるさ

そこにも感謝

Food poisonってなに?

この

賞味期限切れてしまったものの

毒中毒とか

Food additivesのおかげで

長く食べれるよって

ほんとすごいよね

この悪としてみなさないでさ

人類の功績だと思って

変化物とらえたら

相当すごい代物だと思う

We have 1500

Variety

Japanese people don't

Don't have a good image for

Drugs

But this food additives

Same as drugs

ハッピーターン

わけわからん粉いっぱい使ってるじゃん

1:00:00

長い間かけて

体を蝕むものをさ

コンビニで売ってるのにさ

いろいろやっぱり

情報を取ったほうがいい

そうだね

In many

なんだ

視点から

And you know

Tonight with me

Was so random

It's not very

Constructed

But that's good for health

Like Obasan chatting

Overall

だから

アカネがフードアレティブズに関して

心配事があったみたいだけど

It wasn't that much problem

Overall

別に大丈夫よ

少量であれば

少量毎食食べてたって

別に

ジュースとかは

あんまり良くないと思うけどね

そうだね

I don't drink those kind of drinks

Everyday

You drink water so it's all good

だそうです

Don't too much

Don't stress about

Eating food additives

Try to be good

By eating good food

We think

It's more important to

Be mentally

Physically healthy

Is to have good people around you

To eat things

With them

On a good occasion

Right

Yeah

That's all for today

Bye

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