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Hello again, Asami.
Hi, hi.
Hi, hi.
So, we had another topic.
And this time it was about a movie that I got to see.
Which was called 君の色。
Pretty sure I butchered that the first time I said it.
Okay.
And my first question was, have you seen that movie?
Have you seen that movie?
君の色?ないね。
What is it?
What genre?
君の色。
She sees people as color.
So each person has a unique color to them, essentially.
Like an associated color.
Yeah, I think that's sort of what's happening.
They don't spend a ton of time explaining it, right?
That's not the sort of...
She can still recognize them as humans, right?
It's not like they look like a blob of color.
I'm gonna say yes.
But if you're watching the film, I think they purposefully blur that a little bit.
Not a lot.
She still definitely knows that it's a person.
That they're humans.
And that that person she can even recognize.
There's a pretty good hint at the beginning that it's like,
Ah, I know who those people are, right?
They're my friends or something.
But there is a distractive nature about the color.
It can really take her attention if she notices a particular type of color.
Some of them stand out to her more than others.
And that's one reason she gets drawn to another person.
Who has a very particular hue.
Like just some sort of special blue color.
This person really drew her eye.
And that sort of sets off some other dominoes down the movie's storyline.
And so the story is about her essentially finding this one person.
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But at the same time finding another.
You end up with a trio who end up making a band together.
Like sort of a temporary band.
Spoilers for anybody who has not watched Kimi no Iro.
If you want to watch it without spoilers, turn this off.
Go home.
Turn this off.
Go home.
Leave work.
And now you have been warned.
You've been warned.
And so now we have this setting.
And what I wanted to talk about in respect to this.
Is that I watched the movie.
But with no subtitles.
So I went with a good friend of mine here.
Oh, that's pretty brave of you.
It was.
Yeah, I've done this once before.
Except it was by accident the first time.
And I realized that I could still.
It was The Boy and the Heron.
It was The Boy and the Heron.
I went to The Boy and the Heron.
Yep.
That's a hefty movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I.
Do you feel like you understood what's going on in a movie?
Because I watched it in Japanese voice English and Cantonese subtitles.
Oh, dang.
You had double subtitles.
And I still felt like I need to watch this a couple of times to try and understand it.
Yeah.
So I'd actually went with the same friend at that point.
And so we were able to talk about it a little after.
And I could try to work some of this out.
Right.
We were able to communicate pretty well on those pieces.
But there are nuances that I think I would benefit from watching it again.
And probably watching it in English.
Right.
And then sort of connecting dots.
I was able to.
I'm hesitating to use the word understand.
And this will come back to the Kimi no Iro example.
Which is.
It was more like I could interpolate the story arcs.
Because I understood enough about story.
And like I could catch individual words every once in a while.
I could catch the endings to sort of like ways that people were treating another person.
Just enough to first convince myself that I could kind of guess what was going on.
And to then I think guess somewhat correctly.
For at least like the mechanical steps of a movie.
Right.
Like what was happening.
I guess there's a lot of visual cues to help you along the way as well.
Yes.
So like if this was only audio.
Right.
I would have been totally screwed.
There's no way I would have done it with just audio.
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Especially with Boy and the Heron.
Or like if this was like a one actor theater show type stuff.
Right.
Like it's essentially just this person.
Yes.
And there's very little else going on.
Yeah.
It might have been hard.
In an animated movie you have the background.
You have the cut of the specific angle.
And things like that.
You have music to help you.
Kind of.
Yep.
These I think every edition of those when they're working together.
And they're not intending to either obfuscate.
To hide.
Or to sort of trick the viewer.
It helps.
Right.
You can follow along.
If there is something like hiding or tricking.
Then it becomes magnitudes harder.
Right.
It becomes very difficult.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
If it's like maybe like a crime thriller.
Right.
Or like mystery.
Exactly.
Type stuff.
Where it takes the audience.
Yeah.
Into that world.
And involve them in one way, shape or form.
Then it's harder.
But this was a straightforward storytelling.
So, Kimi no Iro.
How did you feel about your understanding was?
Yeah.
So, especially afterwards.
I think I was able to verify that I had understood a lot of the both big movements in the movie.
So, I could understand sort of why each character was doing what they were doing.
The choices that were being made.
I could understand why certain things were difficult for each character.
And I certainly could understand the ending.
Which was essentially the cathartic release of, you know, being accepted and not having to hide that you're making a band.
I'm undermining the movie by saying it that way.
But like the idea was that they were basically.
Simplified.
There were these three high schoolers.
At least one of whom I think was a senior, relatively speaking.
And maybe the other two were maybe not senior.
I didn't catch exactly what years.
And they, you know, sort of are trying to get through school.
And they're not really communicating with their parents.
Or they're hiding that they've done something with their parents.
Or they're telling the parents to do one thing and not another.
Because they're worried about a whole bunch of factors, right?
And so, you know, very relatable in that space.
And then at the end of the movie, you know, they get recognized.
Because the Catholic school invites them to play for the final party or something like that.
So they rock out and they're doing a big bash.
And their parents come and they're like, woo!
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Everybody's having a real good time.
It's very heartwarming.
I cried.
It was super sweet. It was very sweet.
So instead of just reviewing the movie, I'm going to get to the part that was difficult, though.
So the main character who could see colors, I'm looking at the names here.
And I think I have them right from my memory.
Was Totsuko.
Totsuko was kind of, I think, the most simple parent relationship.
It was just, you haven't really called in a while.
And then the time that we do get a call is from the school.
Because you snuck in one of your friends who had dropped out of school.
Which is one of the other main characters.
So she got in trouble, right?
And they were like, you should probably just call us more.
And I'm like, okay, fine.
There was like a fine dynamic between them.
Like they had the most sort of light one.
The main thing with Totsuko was, you know, she sees colors.
And that had all these things that I definitely couldn't get all the nuances of.
But it was basically her finding herself.
Because she couldn't see her own color throughout the movie.
Oh, so she can see others, but not her.
But not hers.
And so that was clear because of a lot of visual stuff that they did.
And that was easy enough to carry, right?
And it made sense.
I saw it by the end.
I got those connections.
Kimi, who was the one that she first saw the color of, who was blue, she followed.
She had like dropped out of school.
You know, was like working at like a bookstore or something.
But hadn't told her grandmother, who was taking care of her, right?
Who was like the one in charge of her.
And so she had that, which was pretty clear to me, right?
That it was that secret.
I didn't want to be going to school.
I didn't feel like, you know, I was like the perfect student thing.
But I didn't feel like that.
Now I feel worse because I've dropped out.
All that very relatable understanding sort of emotions to carry along.
Now the third one, and this is what I wanted to get to, is Rui or Louis.
I think it depends on.
Somewhere in the middle.
Somewhere in the middle.
Louis here was studying to go to become a doctor, right?
To go to medical school.
And his mother was a doctor, is a doctor.
And is working at some type of clinic on this island that they're on.
Okay.
I saw this, kind of got those two pieces.
And interpreted the fact that he was hiding the band from his mother.
That it was like, I don't want to go to med school.
Like I'm just being pushed to do this.
But I, you know, I don't want to hurt your feelings, mom, about this.
Like so I'm like going to do this without telling you type of thing.
Right?
I expected sort of almost the more common version of that.
Yeah.
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At least to my sort of brain.
Right.
And it turned out, I was glad that I mentioned this to the friend I was with.
Because she was like, oh, no, actually, he like.
And there were a couple of scenes that actually demonstrated this.
But I couldn't catch the words clearly enough.
I didn't understand what was being said.
So I was kind of guessing.
But it wasn't matching up as much as it should have.
Okay, okay, okay.
And so, for instance, he'd like been on the phone with his mom.
And I was getting this sense that he was kind of like not saying everything.
But he was mentioning like, you know, he said like the same word.
Is it gakshu?
Something.
It was a word about like basically a trip.
There's a lot more context here.
Maybe that one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think.
But they had compressed it.
It felt like it was a too sort of sound word.
So maybe it was like the slang for it or something.
But so this shuugaku ryokou, right?
Is it like a school trip that they take the whole grade to?
No.
What happened was that Totsuko had gone with Kimi to meet up with Rui,
who's on an island.
So they have to do like a little boat trip to get over there for like on Sunday.
And then it snowed.
And the ferry was canceled.
And she couldn't make it back for Monday, like for school.
But she dorms there.
Like she lives there.
And so she'd be in a lot of trouble for not being able to make it back.
And so she ended up on the phone with like one of the, you know,
like all of a sudden the really understanding teacher, right?
The one that's just like, like, OK, look, we're just we're just going to lie.
All right.
Like and she's like holding her rosary beads, you know, like sort of like it was
very because it's religious in that sense.
Right.
So the teachers, they're having a conflict of like religious morality.
But it's like, no, I'm going to I'm going to help like this student.
Right.
We're going to not get them in trouble.
We're going to say that you're on some type of overnight.
Like I was getting the impression it's like it's like an approved overnight
special exception.
OK, so I don't remember what the word was, but something like that.
Yeah, whatever that was.
And so this conversation made sense between Totsuko and like sort of even
Kimi with like I think her grandmother sort of said something similar,
like she was doing that.
And but with Louie, I was like, OK, but why is why is he using the word?
Because because he doesn't go to the same school as them.
He's actually he's not even the same.
And so there was this disconnect.
And I'm like, it sounds like he's lying.
Right.
Like it sounds like he's saying he's on some sort of excused school trip.
And and that that he won't be home.
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Right. But it's fine.
I like brought everything out.
So I didn't get that.
I found out later that he was actually telling his mom that he was going to be
out and he was actually with friends.
He was he was telling her like all of the details, essentially.
And like, no, I've brought out the stuff.
We're going to hang here.
I'm actually I'm doing very well.
I'm having a good time.
Like this is something that I want to be doing.
But it still wasn't totally like he hadn't totally shared that he was doing
this band thing or anything.
But he was at least voicing this sort of like I have friends that I'm getting
along with type of deal.
And she was like, OK, like I understand that, you know, sort of idea.
So the dynamic was different.
Right. Like I still was able to get it because I understood that there was
this tension.
And then when they showed scenes of basically each of the kids having a
moment with their parents, like where they express and tell all of the things
that they've been holding back sort of idea,
I got the impression he was sharing that.
But I I totally had a different coloring on it.
Right. It was it was that he was like, I don't want to do this.
I want to go to like music university or something. Right.
Because I couldn't follow it clearly enough.
But it wasn't that it was actually I do want to go.
I want to go to to study medicine.
I want to take over your clinic.
I want to like practice with you.
Want may not have been the right word.
The person I was with, the friend I was with was like he didn't really say
want, but he sort of like accepted it.
He was like, I, I am going to take this responsibility,
but I also want to do this music thing and I am going to be able to do both.
Right. Being like, I'm going to be able to do both.
And that is importantly different because at the end,
he goes to like he's off on the boat to university basically.
And they do a big waving by thing.
And my interpretation, although they all looked pretty happy. Right.
There was a big happy scene before that could have been taken as, oh,
and now like, you know, he had that agency for like, what, like a summer,
you know, and like a year or something. And now he's given up on history.
Yeah. And like, he's just like shoved back into the, the system of stuff.
Right. But now with this other context, I'm like, oh,
I guess he actually took a lot more agency.
He was like, I'm going, this is I'm doing this thing. Right.
Very different. Like now it's not because my mom's doing it, but like,
I'm actually going to school on my own terms,
but I'm also going to continue music. Yeah. It's like, yeah,
that was the thing. And I couldn't,
I'm not sure how like the music stays or doesn't stay wrapped in,
but it was definitely a, I've, I'm,
I'm accepting and taking this responsibility because I choose to do it and I'm
okay with that.
And I'm telling you mom that I,
you don't have to worry because I'm still going to be able to do it.
And I'm going to be able to do this thing that I am really like enjoying and
really passionate about. Right. Like there was this, like, I'm,
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I'm sharing this with you because I think it's important.
I want you to know that I still have that path that like,
I want to go on and they're not interfering. They're working together.
And that's nuance difference, but it's,
it's an important difference I think for the, for the film. So, and I,
and I, I couldn't get that with the way I was interpreting the,
the mainly visuals and kind of the sounds and the expressions from faces and
things like that. I was filling it in. So yeah,
short maybe takeaway there is you can, you can fill in and interpolate,
but of course that interpolation is likely to have some misdirection depending
on your own, you know,
That's it for the show today.
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