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Yeah, short maybe takeaway there is you can you can fill in and interpolate, but of course that interpolation is
Likely to have some misdirection depending on your own
Expectation. Yeah, I have a hypothesis on why you got that wrong. Yeah, and that's probably because
It was a phone scene the phone call scene that was critical and maybe in a phone call scene
I'm guessing I've never watched this movie
The depiction of it was like a boy sitting or something calling on his mom
Like, you know, just just that visual no like extra
like, you know
Visuals to help you really and it's just like a phone conversation. It can only be so dynamic
yeah, and you know and
that's
That's that works as like a dramatic tool right because you can hide a lot in a phone conversation
you can hide your face and hide your like a
Like a tone might not be yeah very well conveyed
Yeah, and that's like the whole point of creating a dramatic tension. Yeah, maybe in that scene but
because
It was set up in that way, you know for you
It was like locking in information that could otherwise fill you in right? And yep
that's probably where your misinterpretation started to snowball into something else and
At the end of the movie you walked away thinking one thing happened when it was completely the other thing
Yeah, the phone scene, but definitely didn't help it was
but that's interesting, you know, and and and I think it's uh, I
Think it goes to show how
Much we
Take from body language facial expression things like that and
And also
How much we rely on especially?
When there's like less than hundred percent information transmission happening. Yeah, because of the language or cultural barriers
whatnot and
Yeah, I mean maybe they're just like something to think about like zoom does a fairly good job, but I think
it also requires like a
pre-established relationship for it to work really well and
if
the guy there are many times I feel like since Cove it where we meet our like
collaborators or work colleague on
Zoom for like a year before you meet them in person. Yeah, and yep
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I'm always amazed at how much more information I get
Meeting them in person. I was like, even if it's something very obvious
Like of course, I wouldn't have been able to tell like oh, you're a lot taller than I thought or like
You know think things like that. Yeah, I like that
That or like oh I didn't know that
Like how you talk on zoom was slightly different from how you normally talk. Oh
Man I don't know. It's just like it's just like one of those weird things. Yeah, not that it
changes the interpretation or opinion of a of the person or anything, but I
I like oh like you just smile a lot more when you're talking in person or
Things like that and or sometimes it's the opposite. It's like I feel like some people intentionally
Like
Be more expressive
Facially on zoom
Then when they're talking in person because they feel like they need to give more feedback
with like just the face, you know, and and
I don't know if I'm doing it, but I
Feel like that's always interesting. So like it's fully
Fair game that you already sort of, you know having
Having to interpolate a lot of bits and bobs that you do understand. Yeah
Got that wrong in the phone call scene because that's that's significantly less
Visual information, right it. Yes
There is a whole range of things you have just opened I think for talking about like visual information, but also the ways
I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole yet
There's a separate
There's there's something in there about how people also interpret and take on and apply assumptions to situations and people
Differently depending on sort of who they are and how they've been sort of raised and and how their internal all the fixtures work
But yeah when it comes to for instance, right a piece of media
conversations social dynamics and situations
For my case, and I think some of it is generally relatable
you can draw a lot from the information given to you and
It tends to get better the more you have
But then it's also very clear when some of that information is taken away
That your guesses can be further and further off right can be sort of slightly skew from where they should be
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You know, I only had
The words to focus on which was an important artistic choice there, right like yeah, and I could understand the previous
situation
Probably because it matched
More clearly right it didn't deviate from my expectation
But there was also like the visual cue with the rosemary beets I mentioned and stuff, right?
So I could tell that the teacher was doing something
That was mirroring
The previous thing where like, you know, the student was worried about having lied, you know to get her friend on to you know
the campus dorms or something and so like
like there was there was some
visual connection here whereas with
Louie and his mother it was basically like, okay, maybe Louie sounds
happy
question mark
and the mother sounds
Not concerned but also
concerned question mark as I'm like vaguely seeing their faces like they kind of switch back like real quick and I'm like I
I'm not sure what I'm taking from this so I will apply my previous
Assumption and hope that that holds
That's what you get
Larger everyone take more samples
That's I should have just gotten up and I should have gone all the way to the back room and just
rewound and replayed that scene
I
Can't hear this
I do feel like
Watching movies. I don't know when I started being able to watch TV shows or movies
with no Japanese subtitles and still
understood
You know
Much better than whatever. I was able to at the beginning. Yeah English learning journey. I don't know when that happened
honestly, I was not conscious about that as like teenagers, but
Lately, I need English subtitles. Ah
Okay, well even when I'm watching English things I feel like it's like a trend that many
Video media has where like the sound is just being mixed down. Yeah
I don't know. Maybe I blame Christopher Nolan for that. Well, yes
Did we did we never talk about this no, okay
I we didn't talk but I talked about this in
This podcast like with Masako, okay
Christopher Nolan is known to mix down conversations so that the audience
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Pays extra attention. Okay the words but like I don't think it's just him
I feel no a lot of the actors
Or the directors that the decision at the editing room is to like mix down the conversations
Mm-hmm and I
I
Realized like I didn't use I it never occurred to me to put English subtitles until somebody did I was like wait
It's so much easier to follow the story when I know right like when there's like a written
And then you can't stop yourself from reading them though
Because then they're right there or maybe you can I when I see that my eyes
I can go on and off. Okay. All right. All right fair enough
but yeah, we should talk about this in some other episode to like the the effect of subtitles because I
think
Watching movies in Hong Kong has been an interesting experience
So
Yeah, well definitely let's do subtitles and I can definitely add to that whole mixing down thing
I can't believe that you and I didn't speak about this because I'm pretty sure I put it on a list somewhere and it must
Have gotten lost. There is there is a discussion to be had there as well. So
Yeah
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