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英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない（バベル最終回）.
英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
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英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
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英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
英語でサイエンスしナイト! Today's topic is 女性キャラも忘れたくない）バベル最終回）.
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is that her own death isn't gonna add anything
to this destruction.
And she chooses to live,
even though that is a very difficult decision for her.
I mean, she basically has to live with nobody
that is on her side.
And that to me sounds like a very good thing
that she's done, right?
Like she is taking up on a lot of the risks
and a lot of the hard work, right?
Sure, blowing up a tower is hard,
but that's like one instance.
And she is gonna have to live for decades
in order to make the point.
Right, the sacrifice made here
is perhaps not suffering the harm to herself, right?
Or the harm she is suffering is the grief
and the pain and the struggle that it will take to live
in order to benefit people, right?
Or in order to try and make a change
if that's what can be done.
But at the same time, she is also like,
I need to survive for any of that to matter, right?
So.
Yeah, and I sense a more selfless,
I'm using the word selfless in a way
that's like as neutral, as selfish.
To me, that sounds more like a decision
that she made that was for the people
rather than her own happiness
or her own sort of quick way out of the suffering.
And so I think she's lawful good.
Lawful, oh sorry, neutral good.
Yeah, neutral, neutral good,
I think is a fair assessment there.
Which honestly, I think gives us plenty here
to also mention Raimi,
where I think Raimi is chaotic good.
Ah, was he chaotic?
He's chaotic.
I mean.
He would go around just like lying
and like changing his things
and being different people in different situations.
And he picks up fights.
You know, pick fights with anyone.
Yeah, no, he was the most,
other than Griffin,
for like his chaos as a result of him sliding
towards say like evil on this relative scale
became violent.
Raimi's could be violent, but often wasn't lethal,
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at least not right away, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But he was, yeah.
Chaotic neutral slash potential to be chaotic good.
Yeah, I'd move him more towards the good
because he was willing to suffer harm
and like sacrifice.
He was not going to harm others for his benefit.
He was like, that I don't think was,
he was gonna harm others to make a fucking point.
Excuse my language, podcast folks, you know, but yeah.
Oh, sorry, I edited that in the wrong spot.
That is Raimi's like sort of whole thing, right?
Right, yeah, yeah.
Like a wholesome chaotic,
cause like that's what made him
kind of attractive to Leti, right?
Like she is this like,
I mean, by the consequence of being a girl,
a woman in this world,
both Leti and Viktor had to be lawful.
Yeah.
And I think Leti found Raimi attractive
because he in some ways should also live lawfully,
but he actively rejected that and stayed to his true self,
which is chaotic first of all.
You're pointing out the sort of opposites
like sort of attracting too, but in this case.
Opposite attract, at least in this case, I think.
No, I think you're right.
Cause then it's like Leti might,
I think Leti saw what it would look like
or could be, right?
Like it's just that she both in part wanted it
and yet the fears that like the doubts,
the comfort, right?
Were too strong where she was to move from that, so.
I mean, maybe I just didn't pick up on it
in the writings of the book,
but I feel like there would have been
a whole lot more interesting internal conflict within Leti
if like the author was willing to spill
a little bit more ink about it
and, or maybe there was never going to be
that much ink for Leti.
I think that's it.
I think, yeah.
Maybe I just like really enjoy complex characters
and wish everyone was more complex in fictional world
than they are, but like.
I mean, it's great, right?
When you have that.
I think she would have been a very meaty character
who, you know, she is one of the first characters
of a few people in this world
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who are both wildly privileged
and so historically like oppressed, right?
Yes.
Oh, that's, yes, yes.
So I think that is the complexity though, right?
So like she is complex.
But like I feel like we didn't get to see the struggle.
Right, but I think it's because
the only thing we outwardly see
and these phrases stuck with me, right?
Because that's how Kwong described it
from Robin's point of view
is that in every situation, it was always about Leti.
And like that was trying to drive home a point
that like Leti was trying to be involved,
but like, you know, however you want to describe it,
she wasn't really recognizing the other people.
It was the-
Yeah, she failed at being an ally.
Yeah, she was always the victim
and always needed an ally
versus recognizing not being the victim
and trying to be an ally for someone else.
Yeah, yeah.
Like she, despite spending this much time
with the other three,
she failed to see that in some regards,
she is the one with the most power to form allyship.
And she just didn't.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, so it loses out on what one would hope, right?
That type of like, oh, internal growth pieces,
but like she was standing above them in terms of privilege,
whether she knew it or, and she did maybe not know it, right?
And in a position, in a way that like,
if she'd recognized it,
she would have like paid more attention.
She had plenty of opportunities to do that.
Yeah, exactly.
And she didn't.
Yep, yep.
And then she snitched.
Snitch?
Yeah.
Yeah, nasty.
I don't know, this is probably not,
do you know the phrase snitches get stitches?
No.
I don't know where it's from,
but it definitely floats around like,
at least the American language.
I mean, like it's pretty self explanatory.
I'm just wondering if it like,
if it gets like, if it's in a movie or something,
you know, I'm wondering if it, for anybody listening,
if it's not clear,
stitches are the thing you get after you've been stabbed,
for instance, or like, you know.
So this is a phrase that someone might say
to like warn somebody not to snitch
or to tell somebody else that something's going on,
not to go to the cops and tell them,
oh, people are doing the bad things in the room back there.
And as we saw in Babel,
then the cops show up and murder everyone in the house.
So, you know.
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I don't know.
I don't see any direct source
for where this came from.
There is a suggestion that it came from gang culture
in the US, which would not surprise me,
but I don't feel like that's enough to go off of.
There's one reference of a movie, but I haven't seen it.
So I won't be suggesting what it is.
But anyway.
It definitely gives like a Peaky Blinders vibe.
It's that vibe.
It's definitely that vibe.
So, well, I think we did a fair job here.
We covered quite a few of the characters.
We didn't teach everyone, but I think we did a good job.
I'm already like dreading how to edit this.
I am wondering, well, you know, maybe in reverse,
they can hear our end of this conversation, right?
Starting from you saying, I'm dreading how to edit this.
And then what we can say is.
And then decide to listen to a whole hour
of our conversation.
Yeah, and then you can put it.
So yeah, just put this bit,
these couple of minutes at the end, at the beginning.
So that it's clear that what's about to happen
is at least an hour's worth of an introduction
to tabletop RPGs and this idea of character alignment,
which is not the best.
And there are others.
And then basically the entire time
is us talking about Babel characters
and things like that again.
Again.
Again.
So please enjoy if you would like to.
Otherwise, I guess we'll see you next time.
All right.
Bye.
Enjoy.
That's it for the show today.
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