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So, we were talking about this earlier, but I am about to graduate this spring,
and I'll be starting my postdoc journey, as we talked about. And yeah, it just occurred to me how
different my environment is going to be. And I'm used to being in a different environment
geographically, you know, being around different places all my life. But I feel like this is the
first time I'm outside of school, university environment. And you know, when you're a student,
you have a cohort of people who are roughly your age, roughly aiming for similar goals,
in a similar timeline. And it's not super hard to find a common factor in that group of people.
But I feel like postdoc is a different story. But what do you think about that?
It's not well, yeah, because you're not surrounded by students anymore.
Right, postdoc is kind of an in-between.
Yeah. So it's still, you know, the age range might be larger than before. And you will be
surrounded by older postdocs, because this is your first time doing postdocs. Yeah. But still,
you can still, you know, find friends, good friends.
Yeah, I hope so. Because, you know, that was one of the hardest thing about when my sister
started working, you know, freshly out of undergrad. She got hired in a team where most of
the teammates were like, you know, when she was early 20s, they were late 20s, mid 30s.
Yeah.
So they were talking about their kids, their husband, their mortgages. And she was like,
I just graduated from undergrad. Yeah. Like, like, I am looking for a boyfriend,
maybe. Like, it was very, like, it was a little bit hard for her to get along with her
teammates at first, just because that was her first time ever to have friends with significantly
different age gap, I guess. Yeah, I don't mind that, actually. Like, I have friends who are
currently postdocs. I have you. I've met many ballet friends who are much older than me.
So, like, age doesn't really bother me, I guess. But it's more about, like, the
life stages, I guess, the common factor that won't be there anymore.
Right. So every time, you know, when I move to a new place, what I value is to find good friends
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outside your group where you belong. Because, you know, that's where there's no
利害関係. And you'll get to find really good friends you can talk to, any problems you may have.
You can gossip about your job. Yeah, exactly. So, and then, you know, as a postdoc, it's still,
you know, it's not difficult. Yeah, I think. Yeah, because...
That's good to hear. How about you, though? Do you find it harder now that you've moved,
not as a postdoc, but now here? Now it's getting harder.
PI. Now it's getting harder, actually.
Everybody in Osaka needs friends.
So, you know, I don't know whether we were chatting in the podcast or outside the podcast,
but you mentioned it's good to have friends, like a 何でもない趣味の場面でのちょっとした
acquaintance. Yeah, acquaintances for mental health.
I can't remember the source of this study, but there's a study done that talked about
how positive impact your acquaintances can have on you. And by acquaintances, if I remember
correctly in this paper, they define it as someone who is not your family member,
who is not your job-related people, and people who are not necessarily already friends with you.
So, like, people you see every, on a regular basis, but not necessarily have knowledge of
your life story, or you're like, they don't know everything about you, but you also don't know
everything about them. 距離感、知り合いぐらいの感覚。 Yeah, and then they, like, found
some statistically significant impact in having these kind of very casual, no consequential
friendship as a valuable social interaction for humans.
Right, so that's one way to find those friends, acquaintances might be through hobbies,
right? For sure. Yeah, like taking classes, or just going somewhere, like, your hobby is,
you know, you do ballet, right? Yeah, that has definitely been a source of my
acquaintances type relationship, for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's good. So, yeah, I used to do
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rock climbing, and, yeah, and then here, I resumed rock climbing, and it's so fun.
Yay! Yeah, but the problem is, I don't have friends.
You just go there, solo, you climb, and you get out.
I don't, I don't chat with anyone.
I thought people are very chatty in a gym, is that not the case in Japan?
Well, some just come by, climb alone, and like myself, but some just come in with their friends,
like three to five people gathering. So they're talking to each other with you. Yeah.
So, you need friends. Have you, have you tried bringing in your, like, work friends, or?
I've been trying, I've been trying, and I succeeded once or twice. I kidnapped,
I almost kidnapped my friends.
There's definitely something about rock climbing that is, like, if you've never done it,
it's kind of expensive, it looks hard, and, like, the barrier, the activation energy
is pretty high, I think. Yeah, it's, it's really fun, though, you know, we can,
we get to discuss about which route we, you know, go, and how to use the, how to use our body
in, in a way we never imagined to do, but that would make us succeed in, you know,
in doing what we never imagined we could do, so it's really, and sometimes.
How did you get into it, to rock climbing?
It's, it's actually, yeah, it's actually my friend in the U.S., she kidnapped me to this route,
okay, yeah, yeah, so.
You're coming.
And that was really, well, yeah, it turned out it's so interesting, and.
Okay.
Yeah, we.
So she was a good kidnapper.
Yeah.
Who, like, knew her target.
Yes, so.
I guess you also need to find a good target, someone who looks like they will be into rock
climbing.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we talked about how it seems like it's a thing among scientists.
Right.
To, to, to enjoy rock climbing.
Yeah.
Maybe, maybe your target is closer than you think.
Okay, yeah, I'll do my best.
I need to find a climbing friend.
Yeah.
For my mental health.
Yeah, yeah, and, and I guess to, to, to fully enjoy this benefit, you cannot be too friendly
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with them, right?
Right.
Too much of a friend.
You just have to be a casual friend.
Yeah, casual, not talking too much about work.
Yeah, exactly.
So like, if anyone's interested who is in.
Just call me.
General Kanto area.
And interested in rock climbing, well, here's your kidnapper.
Yes.
To drag you into the world of rock climbing.
Yes, just let me know.
Let us know.
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