作品の紹介
Konnichiwa! I'm your host Mayu for 2AM OTTACK! In this podcast, we talk all about anime, manga,
movies, music, and history through our distinct perspectives as a born-and-raised Japanese
non-otaku, me, and American anime fan. That's me, Cisco. Hello, hello. Today,
we would like to talk about 『Delicious in Dungeon』. This is a very well-known manga, I think,
and this year, it became an anime and streaming in every streaming services. Before we talk about it,
Cisco, could you read the summary, please? Sure. So, here's a summary of 『Delicious in Dungeon』.
When young adventurer Lyos and his company are attacked and soundly thrashed by a
dragon deep in a dungeon, the party loses all its money and provisions. They're eager to get right
back to it, but there's just one problem. If they set out with no food or coin to speak of, they're
sure to eat it on the way. But Lyos comes up with a brilliant idea. Let's eat the monsters! Slimes,
basilisks, mimics, and even dragons, none are safe from the appetites of these dungeon-crawling
gourmands. From the publisher of the manga. This manga is recommended for 13 years old and up,
アニメと内容
and for anime is mature content. So far, there hasn't been that much mature content, though.
For anime? Yeah, I mean, I guess they have like kind of like vaguely naked monsters, but I feel
like it's not it's not very explicit. It's like 13 and up seems like a more reasonable designation
than mature adults. Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel too. Yeah, it's the first season,
not so much about mature content. The beginning of second season for anime,
it's not really naked, but like a little bit of skin revealing. Right? Haven't most of the naked
people been, well not people, haven't most of these naked looking things been monsters so far?
I guess I didn't even think about it. Yeah, they don't dress in clothes, I guess.
Yeah, like they're monsters, so they don't wear clothes, and they like some of them sort of have
like human-like forms, but I don't think any of the, I mean, God, most of the people in the party
aren't even human, but like none of the humanoid elves, dwarves, halflings, or humans have been
very naked, right? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so yeah, we've been enjoying watching the Netflix
series. It's available on Netflix, American Netflix, and so far we are down with watching
the first season, and we are watching the second season. The title in English is Delicious in
タイトルの翻訳
Dungeon, and then it's a slightly different in Japanese. It's called Danjo Meshi. Meshi means
food or meal. So meaning-wise, I feel like it's a slightly different meaning.
Yeah, meshi is one of those terms that I think is kind of tough to translate,
because although it just means food, it has kind of like a casual kind of feeling to it.
I want to translate it almost as like grub or eats, you know? It's not quite as basic as just
food, and it's definitely not like fancy, like a feast. It's like a
down-home-cooking kind of a feeling to it, like a cheap lunch, you know? That's what I think.
So I think it being hard to translate that, if the translation was just like dungeon food,
it would sound both disgusting and not true to what the title is trying to say in Japanese.
But dungeon grub would also sound really gross, because grub can be like a kind of insect larva.
So I don't think grub would be the right one. Dungeon down-home-cooking would just be like
a hilarious title. Dungeon cooking actually kind of sounds like... It's not a very good
translation of meshi, but I think it is actually a better translation of what the manga and anime
is actually about. Yeah, I agree. Delicious in dungeon. Well, I always wonder who decides the
title in English. Yeah, I mean, it's like satisfyingly alliterative, right? But
yeah, it's weird. It's a weird translation of the title. Yeah, we can't stop talking about titles
when it comes to titles. Japanese to English, English to Japanese, they're like really funny
ones out there. Yeah, I feel like usually English translations of Japanese things are pretty
straightforward, whereas Japanese translations of English titles, to me, just make no sense much of
the time. But this is one of those rare situations in which the English translation of the Japanese
モンスターの料理と冒険
title is not that straightforward and is kind of a little bit mysterious to me. So in the anime and
manga, as the main characters go on a journey to find their, what do you call, trooper? No,
not trooper, what do you call? Party member? Member? Yeah, like Eden party member? Right, right. As they
go on their journey, they don't have much money at the beginning, so they decide to hunt monsters
and try to cook them and then survive in the dungeon. From a Japanese person living outside
of Japan, to me, it looks like the food they cook is very Japanese. Yeah, I think that's fair.
Yeah, I mean, if I lived in Japan, still lived in Japan, I didn't think it's weird, but
after living outside of Japan, the food they cook is very Japanese,
even though it's like another world. Yeah, I think that's true. They're not like making any hamburgers
or like, yeah, I mean, I don't know, American cuisine isn't very like fancy, and I feel like
Americans struggle to like prepare many different kinds of food. So I don't know what it would look
like if they were eating American-style everything, other than like they would constantly need to be
finding bread so they could make sandwiches. Yeah, I liked the day, the first episode was Mizutaki,
like hot pot, which is a very nice Japanese food, or like kakeage, zousui, like porridge,
like very, very Japanese, or yakiniku. Yeah, that's true. Did you have any like interested or like
memorable meal from the first season? I think the first meal is always memorable because
they're eating like walking mushrooms, and I think they season it with like slime,
which sounds interesting to me. I'm not even really a big fan of mushrooms in the first place.
I think they also eat scorpion in that episode. But I gotta say the, I mean, maybe it's because
it's like half a giant chicken, but the cockatrice, or is it a basilisk? I think
they eat a basilisk in the first season, and it's like a chicken with a snake tail.
And that looked pretty good to me. And I think towards the end, they also eat some like some
actual yakiniku. I think it's like of like the kelpie, so like seahorse thing. But that also
looked like kind of good. Like I would try that. Yeah. I, when I saw the episode of about coins,
fake coins. Yeah. It sounded really sweet and the dessert kind of thing. And but I can't imagine
and try to imagine, but in my head, it must be kind of like going tasty sweet stuff.
To me, that really, the eating the coins really seemed like eating insects.
Right. And I haven't eaten that many insects in my life, but I have eaten ants. And I actually
don't mind ants. They're kind of crispy and crunchy, and they taste a little bit like a lemon.
So my experience of eating ants has been like surprisingly like not that bad.
So make sure that the coin insects that way. I was like, yeah, I would eat those.
Yeah, I guess in Japan, some parts of Japan, people eat like a cricket. Yeah.
Crickets are what you call grasshoppers. Yeah. So it's not so unusual to eat insects in Japan.
Not every Japanese people eat insects, but like it's traditionally, it's a thing. So
yeah, like we've been enjoying watching. And then I thought I didn't know much about the story. I
thought the story is going to be like, they're going to keep cooking and hunting the monsters
and cooking and eating. And then that's pretty much it. End of first season, they actually
had a story and there's like a fighting scene with red dragon, which was amazing.
I thought the way they sort of like handled monsters throughout the show was kind of
interesting. It's weird because the main character feels like a lot of sort of empathy
for monsters. He seems to like really like be interested in them as like living creatures,
but then doesn't have like a very big hang up about eating them at the same time.
And I guess like, I think that's true of some people, like, you know, I think some like actual
like regular people can be in that same place of sort of like having a lot of respect for animals,
but then also not being too shy about eating them. But there's part of me that's surprised
that like the main character's interest in the different creatures in the dungeon doesn't
モンスターとの関係
translate to him being like a dungeon vegan. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I mean,
I guess they have to fight the monsters anyway. The monsters are often trying to kill them. So
you'd be both like interested in the animal that's trying to kill you and then not feel
a lot of compunction about eating it afterward. And that makes sense to me, but...
Helping the ecosystem down there.
Yeah. Like I get the sense that like Laios would be like very upset if he found like an industrial
agriculture farm somewhere like raising and like slaughtering monsters for like mass consumption,
you know?
That would be me, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
You know who would be me? Senshi. I'm totally Senshi.
I mean, you're not like a several hundred year old dwarf or a dude, but otherwise,
like, yeah, I think you do have some things in common with that character.
Because he's so passionate about trying new stuff, new monster, and then like cooking.
He knows how to cook.
Yeah, I think the knowing how to cook is a real point of similarity for you two.
Yeah. And then like people or dwarves or elves, they have to eat to survive.
And it's a very important part of life. And he does such a great job.
Yeah. I think if we're comparing ourselves to characters in the show, I'm clearly Marseille
because I don't want to eat any of like the gross dungeon monsters. We have to,
but then like if I am forced to try them, I'd be like, well, this isn't so bad.
That's so true. That's so true. Yeah. I'm, you know, I made you
eat beans and black beans and the mushrooms and then you didn't like them before.
Yeah, that's true. I mean, there were some kinds of mushrooms that I didn't mind before,
but you have definitely convinced me to like more varieties of mushroom.
And you also got me used to black beans, which was a thing that I had avoided for a long time.
Before I started eating them. Yeah. Yeah. It's a huge improvement.
Thank you, I guess. Yeah. Thank me. Yeah. Definitely.
音楽の重要性
Yeah. Yeah. So I want to focus on the music in Delicious in Dungeon. I told you this before, but
your favorite music composer is working. He makes the music for Delicious Dungeon,
who is Yasunori Mitsuda. You can hear his influence on the first season's opening theme.
Like it's got like a very like sort of medieval-y sound to it. I don't think he did that.
Like they just randomly came to the same conclusion of like that sound.
No, no, no. Yasunori Mitsuda composed music for the show, like BGM.
No, no, no. I get what you're saying, but you don't think he had any input on that particular
first opening sound? Particularly like the first few bars of the opening music. I mean,
I don't know. I think it's possible, but I also feel like it's possible that he either
collaborated with the musicians who wrote it or at least gave them some of the arrangement for
that song or something. Like I don't think he wrote the lyrics and I don't think he like
composed like the full portion of the song. But that very, very first like opening of the song.
Yeah. I know he's not like the bump of chicken like performs the song, but I would be surprised
if he didn't have any input on like what the song sounded like. I have no idea. I don't think so.
But yeah, it sounds like a Middle Evil kind of thing, like a twist for bump of chicken song.
That's, I mean, that's part of what I mean. Like that theme song does not sound like bump of
chickens, like usual music out like, or like actually most of it does, except for the part
at the very beginning and the part at the very end, which sounds super evil. And that's why I'm
saying I feel like Mitsuda might have been like, I want to have like this music play in the theme
song. And then bump of chicken was like, like, sure, you can put it in. But like the rest of
the song is going to be different, though. Like, is that okay? And they were like, fine.
I have no clue.
Maybe I'm just making that up. But that's, look, I don't even care if that's not how it went down.
That is what it sounds like.
It sounds like yes. Suzukawa and I once went to Yasunori Mitsuda's concert, live concert in
Chiba before.
Mm hmm. That was amazing.
音楽の感動
That was amazing. And I had, I knew nothing about his music. And then what was the,
what's the theme, like a video game name?
It was from, this was a performance of the, the soundtrack from Xenogears, which was a
like mid to late 1990s RPG for the PlayStation.
And then we actually tried to go his, like a former show, which was...
Which was for Chrono Trigger, which I like. I think I liked the music from Chrono Trigger
even more, but we weren't able to get tickets. And then we did get for Xenogears,
and I love Xenogears also. So it was equally exciting to me to get to go.
It was all lottery. And the first time for Chrono Trigger, we didn't win. And the second
time we won, and we were like, okay, let's get two tickets. And then we went to Japan in the
spring, and then we went to Chiba, like a year in Tokyo Disneyland, I think.
Yeah.
It was like a orchestra hall kind of thing. It was small.
Yeah, it was pretty small. It was, it was not anywhere near as big as I expected it to be,
given that it was like attached to a Disneyland.
Yeah. And then like, and I was there, not knowing anything about video games,
and like all the people were super excited. And towards the end of the concert,
a lot of people, including you, were like sobbing. It was like, what's happening right now?
It was very emotional.
It was beautiful. The music was beautiful. And then like, with the like, screen back,
background screen and everything, but like, people were sobbing.
Yeah, well, if you played Xenogears, you would understand. That's all I'm going to say.
I wish I knew. Yeah, I was like, I feel like I'm, you know, out of the group.
Yeah, well, you know, you missed out. Xenogears was a brilliant game,
and the music is phenomenal. And the whole experience was very moving.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, like, I like his music. And I noticed his music in Delicious Dungeon,
which is like very, like, relaxing, comfortable, and then very nice to use.
Yeah, I think that's all. That's all pretty good way to describe it.
料理の概念
So I'd like to go to word of the day. Yeah, Delicious Dungeon. Do you have any suggestions?
Well, I feel like we talked about it a little bit at the very beginning,
but I think mishy is actually a pretty good word of the day for this show. The idea of like,
kind of like making a meal from like, the ingredients at hand, kind of like cheaply and
efficiently captures the spirit of what they're actually doing when they cook in Delicious Dungeon
in a way that the English title doesn't. So I think mishy is a good one.
It's um, it's a very casual way to say it. I mean, usually we say gohan for meal. Yeah,
mishy is like something like young adult young person say, man, like girls don't say mishy that
often compared to boys. Like it's not polite enough. It's not polite enough. Yeah, I think
that's that's fair. Yeah, I also feel like mishy is like something somebody just kind of threw
together as opposed to like, gohan has like, you know, they made like rice and soup and like
three kinds of side vegetables and mishy is just like some fried rice. Because like, that's what
we had, you know? Maybe like when I heard when I hear the word mishy, it sounds like it reminds me
of the like a situation that dad comes back from home from work, and then like sit at the table and
then tell his wife mishy. Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. You know, like, it's not polite
at all. Hmm. Yeah. Like, on like old days, you know, dad's had like all authority and then like,
everybody listens to him. And then, like, you know, just dad say mishy or sake or something
like that. It's like a patriarchy term. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
You can totally use it in like a regular sentence. But yeah, gohan is a little bit polite,
エピソードの締め
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