ポッドキャストの紹介
Konnichiwa! I'm your host Mayu for 2AM OTTACK! In this podcast, we talk all about anime, manga,
movies, music, and history through our distinct perspectives as a born-and-raised Japanese
non-otaku, me, and American anime fan. That's me, Cisco. Hello, hello. Today,
we would like to talk about Delicious in Dungeon. This is a very well-known manga, I think,
and this year, it became an anime and streaming in every streaming services. Before we talk about it,
Cisco, could you read the summary, please? Sure. So, here's a summary of Delicious in Dungeon.
When young adventurer Lyos and his company are attacked and soundly thrashed by a
dragon deep in a dungeon, the party loses all its money and provisions. They're eager to get right
back to it, but there's just one problem. If they set out with no food or coin to speak of, they're
sure to eat it on the way. But Lyos comes up with a brilliant idea. Let's eat the monsters! Slimes,
basilisks, mimics, and even dragons, none are safe from the appetites of these dungeon-crawling
gourmands. From the publisher of the manga. This manga is recommended for 13 years old and up,
and for anime is mature content. So far, there hasn't been that much mature content, though.
For anime? Yeah, I mean, I guess they have like kind of like vaguely naked monsters, but I feel
like it's not very explicit. It's like 13 and up seems like a more reasonable designation to me
than mature adults. Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel too. Yeah, it's the first season, not so much
about mature content. The beginning of second season for anime, it's not really naked, but like
a little bit of skin revealing. Right? Haven't most of the naked people been, well not people,
haven't most of these naked looking things been monsters so far? I guess I didn't even think about
it. Yeah, they don't dress in clothes, I guess. Yeah, like they're monsters, so they don't wear
clothes and they like some of them sort of have like human-like forms, but I don't think any of
the, I mean, God, most of the people in the party aren't even human, but like none of the humanoid
elves, dwarves, halflings, or humans have been very naked, right? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so
yeah, we've been enjoying watching the Netflix series. It's available on Netflix, American Netflix.
And so far, we are done with watching the first season, and we are watching the second season.
The title in English is Delicious in Dungeon, and then it's a slightly different in Japanese. It's
called Danjo Meshi. Meshi means like food or meal. So like a meaning-wise, I feel like it's a slightly
different meaning. Yeah, meshi is one of those terms that I think is kind of tough to translate
because although it just means like food, like it has kind of like a casual kind of feeling to it.
I want to translate it almost as like grub or like eats, you know? It's like less,
it's not quite as basic as just food, and it's not quite as like, it's definitely not like fancy,
like a feast. It's like a, yeah, like a down-home-cooking kind of a feeling to it,
like a cheap lunch, you know? That's like what I think meshi. So like, I think it being hard to
translate that, if the translation was just like dungeon food, it would sound both like disgusting
and like not true to like what the title is trying to say in Japanese. But like dungeon grub would
also sound like really gross, because grub can be like a kind of insect larva.
So like, I don't think grub would be the right one, like dungeon down-home-cooking would just
be like a hilarious title. But yeah, I don't know. Dungeon cooking actually kind of sounds like,
it doesn't, it's not a very good translation of meshi, but I think it is actually
a better translation of like what the manga and anime is actually about.
Hmm, yeah, I agree. Delicious in dungeon. Well, I always wonder who decides the title in English.
Yeah, I mean, it's like satisfyingly alliterative, right? But yeah, it's weird. It's a weird
タイトルの翻訳
translation of the title. Yeah, we can't stop talking about title when it comes to title.
Japanese to English, English to Japanese, like they're like really like funny ones out there.
Yeah, I feel like usually English translations of Japanese things are pretty straightforward.
Whereas like Japanese translations of English titles, to me, just make no sense much of the
time. But this is one of those rare situations in which the English translation of the Japanese
title is not that straightforward, and is kind of a little bit mysterious to me.
So, in the anime and the manga, as the main characters go on a journey to find their,
what do you call, trooper? No, not trooper, what do you call it?
Party member?
Member?
Eden party member?
Right, right. As they go on their journey, they don't have much money at the beginning,
so they decide to hunt monsters and try to cook them and then survive in the dungeon.
From a Japanese person living outside of Japan, to me, it looks like the food they cook is very
Japanese. Yeah, I think that's fair.
Yeah, I mean, if I lived in Japan, still lived in Japan, I didn't think it's weird. But after
living outside of Japan, the food they cook is very Japanese, even though it's like another world.
Yeah, I think that's true. They're not making any hamburgers or like,
yeah, I mean, I don't know. American cuisine isn't very fancy, and I feel like Americans
struggle to prepare many different kinds of food. So, I don't know what it would look like if they
were eating American-style everything, other than they would constantly need to be finding bread so
they could make sandwiches. Yeah, I liked the first episode,
it was Mizutaki, like hot pot. Right.
Which is a very nice Japanese food, or like kakeage, zousui, like porridge, like very,
very Japanese, or yakiniku. Yeah, that's true.
Did you have any like, interested or like, memorable meal from the first season?
I think the first meal is always memorable because they're eating like, walking mushrooms,
and I think they season it with like, slime, which sounds interesting to me. I'm not even
really a big fan of mushrooms in the first place. I think they also eat scorpion in that episode.
But I gotta say the, I mean, maybe it's because it's like, half a giant chicken,
but the cockatrice, or is it a basilisk? I think they ate a basilisk in the first season,
and it's like a chicken with a snake tail. And that looked pretty good to me.
And I think towards the end, they also eat some like, some actual yakiniku. I think it's like,
of like, the kelpie, the like, seahorse thing. But that also looked like, kind of good. Like,
I would try that. Yeah. I, when I saw the episode of about coins,
fake coins, yeah, it sounded really sweet, and the dessert kind of thing. And but I can't imagine,
I can't imagine, like, you know, and try to imagine, but in my head, it must be kind of like,
going tasty sweet stuff. To me, that really, the eating the coins really seemed like eating
insects. Right. I haven't eaten that many insects in my life, but I have eaten ants,
and I actually don't mind ants. They're kind of crispy and crunchy, and they taste a little bit
like, like, like a lemon. So my experience of eating ants has been like, surprisingly,
like, not that bad. So make sure the the coin insects that way. I was like, yeah, I would eat
those. Yeah, I guess in Japan, some parts of Japan, people eat, like, crickets. Yeah. Crickets,
but grasshoppers. Yeah, so it's not so unusual to eat insects in Japan. Not every Japanese people
eat insects. But like, it's traditionally, it's a thing. So yeah, like, we've been enjoying watching.
And then I thought, I didn't know much about the story. I thought the story is going to be like,
they're going to keep cooking, you know, hunting the monsters and cooking and eating. And then
that's pretty much it. End of first season, they actually had a story. And there's like a fighting
scene with red dragon, which was amazing. I thought the way they sort of like handled monsters
throughout the show was kind of interesting. It's weird, because the main character feels like a lot
of sort of empathy for monsters. He seems to like really like be interested in them as like
living creatures, but then doesn't have like a very big hang up about eating them at the same
time. And I guess like, I think that's true of some people like, you know, I think some like,
actual like regular people can be in that same place of sort of like having a lot of respect
for animals, but then also not being too shy about eating them. But there's part of me that's
surprised that like, the main character's interest in the different creatures in the dungeon doesn't
キャラクターの食への影響
translate to him being like a dungeon vegan. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I mean,
I guess they have to fight the monsters anyway. And monsters are often trying to kill them. So
be both like interested in the animal that's trying to kill you and then not feel a lot
of compunction about eating it afterward. And that makes sense to me. But
um, helping the ecosystem down there.
Yeah, like, I get the sense that like, Lyos would be like very upset if he found like an industrial
agriculture farm somewhere like raising and like slaughtering monsters for like mass consumption,
you know? That would be me. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You know, who would be me? Senshi. I'm totally
I mean, you're not like a several hundred year old dwarf or a dude. But otherwise,
like, yeah, I think you do have some things in common with that character.
Because he's so passionate about trying new stuff, new monster and then like cooking. He knows how to
cook. Yeah, I think that the knowing how to cook is a real point of similarity for you too.
Yeah, and then like people or dwarf or elves, they have to eat to survive. And it's a very
important part of life. And he does such a great job. Yeah, I think if we're comparing ourselves
to characters in the show, I'm clearly Marseille. Because I don't want to eat any of like the gross
dungeon monsters. We have to but then like if I am forced to try them, I'd be like, well, this isn't
so bad. That's so true. That's so true. Yeah, I'm, you know, I made you eat beans and black beans
and mushrooms and then you didn't like them before. Yeah, that's true. I mean, there were
some kinds of mushrooms that I didn't mind before, but you have definitely convinced me to like more
varieties of mushroom. And you also got me used to black beans, which was a thing that I had
avoided for a long time before I started eating them.
Yep, yeah, it's a huge improvement. Thank you, I guess.
Yeah, thank me. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to focus on the music in Delicious in
音楽の議論
Dungeon. I told you this before, but your favorite music composer is working like he
makes the music for Delicious Dungeon, who is Yasunori Mitsuda. Yeah, you can hear his influence
on the first season's opening theme. Like it's got like a very like sort of medieval-y sound to it.
I don't think he did that. Like they just randomly came to the same conclusion of like that sound?
No, no, no. Yasunori Mitsuda composed music for the show, like BGM.
No, no, I get what you're saying, but you don't think he had any input on like that particular
like first opening like sound? Particularly like the first few bars of like the opening music. Like
I mean, I don't know, I think it's possible, but I also feel like it's possible that he either
collaborated with like the, you know, the musicians who like wrote it or at least gave
them like some like some of the like arrangement for that song or something. Like I don't think
he wrote the lyrics and I don't think he like composed like the full portion of the song, but I
that very, very first like opening of the song. Yeah, I know he's not like the bump of chicken,
like performs the song, but I wouldn't, I would be surprised if he didn't have any input on like
what the song sounded like. I have no idea. I don't think so. But yeah, it sounds like,
yeah, Middle Evil kind of thing, like a twist for bump of chicken song.
That's, I mean, that's part of what I mean. Like that theme song does not sound like bump of
chickens, like usual music out like, or like actually most of it does, except for the part
at the very beginning and the part at the very end, which sounds super evil. And that's why I'm
saying I feel like Mitsuda might have been like, I want to have like this music play in the theme
song. And then bump of chicken was like, like, sure, you can put it in. But like the rest of
the song is going to be different, though. Like, is that okay? And they were like, fine.
I have no clue.
Maybe I'm just making that up. But that's, look, I don't even care if that's not how it went down.
That is what it sounds like.
It sounds like yes. Syscon and I once went to Yasunori Mitsuda's concert, live concert in
Chiba before.
That was amazing.
ビデオゲームの思い出
That was amazing. And I had, I knew nothing about his music. And then what was the,
what's the theme like a video game name?
It was from, this was a performance of the, the soundtrack from Xenogears, which was a
like mid to late 1990s RPG for the PlayStation.
And we actually tried to go his like a former show, which was
which was for Chrono Trigger, which I like. I think I liked the music from Chrono Trigger
even more, but we weren't able to get tickets. And then we did get for Xenogears. And I love
Xenogears also. So it was equally exciting to me to get to go.
It was all lottery. And the first time for Chrono Trigger, we didn't win.
And the second time we won and we were like, okay, let's get two tickets.
And then we went to Japan in the spring. And then we went to Chiba like a year in Tokyo,
Disneyland, I think. It was like a orchestra hall kind of thing. It was small.
Yeah, it was pretty small. It was, it was not anywhere near as big as I expected it to be,
given that it was like attached to a Disneyland.
Yeah. And then like, and I was there, not knowing anything about video game.
And like all the people are super excited. And towards the end of the concert,
a lot of people, including you, were like sobbing. It was like, what's happening right now?
It was very emotional.
It was beautiful. The music was beautiful.
And then like, with the screen background screen and everything, people were sobbing.
Yeah, well, if you played Xenogears, you would understand. That's all I'm going to say.
I wish I knew. Yeah, I was like, I feel like I'm, you know, out of the group.
Yeah, well, you know, you missed out. Xenogears was a brilliant game.
And the music is phenomenal. And the whole experience was very moving.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, like, I like his music. And I noticed his music in Delicious Dungeon,
which is like very, like, relaxing, comfortable, and then very nice to use.
Yeah, I think that's all. That's all pretty good way to describe it.
日の目を見る言葉
So I'd like to go to word of the day. Yeah, Delicious Dungeon. Do you have any suggestions?
Well, I feel like we talked about it a little bit at the very beginning,
but I think mishy is actually a pretty good word of the day for this show.
The idea of like, kind of like making a meal from like the ingredients at hand,
kind of like cheaply and efficiently captures the spirit of what they're actually doing when
they cook in Delicious Dungeon in a way that the English title doesn't. So I think mishy is a good
one. It's um, it's a very casual way to say it. I mean, usually we say gohan for meal. Yeah,
mishy is like something like young adult young person say. Men, like girls don't say mishy that
often compared to boys. Like it's not polite enough. It's not polite enough. Yeah, I think
that's that's fair. Yeah, I also feel like mishy is like something somebody just kind of threw
together as opposed to like gohan has like, you know, they made like rice and soup and like three
kinds of side vegetables and mishy is just like some fried rice. Because like, that's what we had,
you know? Maybe like when I heard when I hear the word mishy, it sounds like it reminds me of the
situation that dad comes back from home from work, and then like sit at the table and then
tell his wife mishy. Oh, okay, I see what you're saying. You know, like, it's not polite at all.
Yeah, like, on like old days, you know, dad's had like all authority and then like,
everybody listens to him. And then, like, you know, just dad say mishy or sake or something
like that. It's like a patriarchy term. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
You can totally use it in like a regular sentence. But yeah, gohan is a little bit polite,
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