#120 Beyond Genres, Deep Roots. Preserving Okinawa Tradition. | ジャンルレス三線唄者が沖縄を唄い、継ぐ。【三線唄者：津波古夏鈴 Sanshin Singer : Karin Tsuhako】 - iYASASA RADIO - イヤササレディオ- 英語×沖縄ウチナーグチPodcast

ゲスト紹介と音楽的ルーツ

We have a guest today.

I've been listening to a lot of music since I wasa kid.

I've always wanted to express music like a queen.

You've been learning sanshin since you were a kid.

Did your parents teach you Okinawan traditions?

My family didn't have anyone who could playsanshin.

So we didn't have a sanshin teacher at home.

So we did it at home.

I've wanted to do it since I was a kid.

But my family didn't have a lot of money.

So I didn't get to learn much.

The only ones I learned were ryukyubuyo andsanshin.

My goal was to become a sanshin teacher.

That's why I started doing live performances.

Do you learn the meaning of a song by yourself?

Or do you learn it?

I learn the pronunciation.

The pronunciation of a dialect is difficult.

So I pay attention to that.

When I look at the lyrics,

I realize that there was a time like this.

I have a lot to think about.

It's a lot of fun.

I listen to it a lot.

I listen to the stories of the old ministers whenthey were young.

They drank a lot.

They told me not to do sanshin at that time.

After the war,

they told me that I would be stupid if I didsanshin.

They told me not to do sanshin.

If I did sanshin, I would have to go to thepalace.

They told me not to do minyo.

I really like Okinawa.

I like the sea and sanshin.

I also like watching the Ryukyubu.

I feel like I'm in Okinawa.

We have a guest today.

She is Karin-chan, a singer.

Hi, I'm Karin.

Nice to meet you.

Karin-chan.

Finally.

At the beginning, you said you were a singer.

What do you sing?

That's right.

I thought it was a normal song.

How do you say it?

It's not a song with two possibilities.

It's like a shell in your mouth.

It's a song.

It's a singer.

A singer.

Is it a Japanese word?

I think it's a Japanese word.

It's a Japanese word.

In Okinawa, we call singers utasha.

We learned it from a singer.

And we call them utasha.

Is it different from minyo singers?

Minyo singers are recognized by everyone.

That's what I think.

It's a strange image.

But they are not as famous as minyo singers.

That's why I think they are utasha.

Do minyo singers have a license to sing?

No, they don't.

They don't have a license.

They don't have a license to tell their teacherthat they are minyo singers.

If they say it, it's okay.

I think it's okay if people around you say you'rea minyo singer.

If you say it yourself, it's called utasha.

It's like saying, I'm a singer.

Do you understand?

I think I understand.

A long time ago, there was an artist named Chibo.

He said he was a singer.

There are various things.

I think I understand.

I think there are various things.

By the way, I've met the real thing on Instagram.

I think I saw it on Instagram at first.

I've seen it on Instagram.

Before you met the real thing.

That's right.

I'm always watching it on Instagram.

Usually on the day of the ceremony.

When it's the Okinawa ceremony.

I'm following it now, so it comes out on its own.

Before that, it came out like this.

It came out like this.

I feel it.

Today is a cat ceremony.

When I first saw it,

I had the image that a B-type girl was pullingthree strings.

That's right.

I don't dance, but I really like dancing.

I really liked hip-hop and reggae in the 90s.

I've been listening to reggae since I was a kid.

My grandmother also lived with me, so I listenedto a lot of folk music.

I've been listening to a lot of music since I wasa kid.

I want to express music that can't be caught byanything.

I really wanted to express myself through music.

That's how I felt.

But your appearance is more like reggae or streetmusic.

That's right. I like hip-hop fashion.

But if I was wearing a kimono like Mio now, itwould be too hot.

That's cool.

I want to express my personality.

That's interesting.

You look very close to each other.

But you also like Okinawa.

I've liked you for a long time.

We've known each other for a long time.

We've been friends for a long time.

結婚式・イベントでの活動とSNS発信

We sing together at weddings.

We sing and perform together.

We work together a lot.

What do you do at weddings?

Do you have a special request?

We have a lot of guests from overseas.

We want to make them feel like they're in Okinawa.

So we have popular songs like Shiman Chunu Takaraand Orion Beer.

We sing them at weddings.

We release a song request.

If we don't have a song request, I want them tosing my song.

I want them to sing my song.

That's what we do.

If we get a request early, we can practice.

But if we get a request in a hurry, it'sdifficult.

If we get a request early, we can prepare.

As long as it's not difficult.

That's what we do.

My husband always plays the sanshin and theguitar.

My husband plays the sanshin and the guitar.

Really?

He also tells me about the song before I sing it.

My mom and dad listen to it.

It's easier to understand if there's anexplanation.

I see.

Akane teaches me how to play the sanshin and theguitar.

So I think about what kind of song I should sing.

It's easier for me to understand.

Even if I sing a Japanese song to my grandparents,

I can't understand it even if I explain it.

I want to deliver a song or a talk to them.

But I'm not good at Japanese.

Sometimes I don't know what I'm saying.

It's interesting.

Now you have a wedding and an event.

Where do you usually meet?

We don't have a place to perform.

We usually go to Motobu.

Motobu-cho, Okinawa Sousaku Izakaya, Tingara.

And below that is Agu.

Shabu-shabu.

Or we go to Amanogawa, where you can eat yakiniku.

We go there on the same day.

We go in a line.

We go there a lot recently.

After that, we go to places we were invited to.

We go to different places.

You go to Motobu.

Yes, we go to Motobu.

You raise a lot of kids.

I want to ask you about that.

You have a lot in common.

We talk a lot in the morning.

That's right.

It's really hard to take care of them.

The kids don't go as they want.

They eat really late.

They don't drink milk.

It's really hard.

You go to Motobu at night.

From 7.30 at night.

We finish around 9.00.

We do two things.

You take care of the kids at that time.

Yes, I take care of the kids.

I go to Motobu.

My husband picks me up on the way home.

I get home around 11.00.

That's how it is.

Wow.

That's hard.

That's your life.

That's right.

It's amazing that you don't have to go to daycare.

That's right.

I have a new job.

I want to take it slow.

I want to take care of the kids.

That's what I think.

Yes.

When you get an offer for a job,

do people look at your Instagram first?

Almost 100%.

100%?

Almost 100%.

99%.

About 10% are acquaintances.

I connect with people I know.

90% are Instagram DMs.

I talk to them.

I do live streams.

That's a lot.

What kind of Instagram followers do you have?

I feel like it's a bit similar.

People who follow you.

Content creators.

Do you have Japanese or foreign followers?

I have a lot of Japanese followers.

But I also have a lot of foreign followers.

I feel like people from all over the world watchmy videos.

I have a lot of foreign followers.

I think I have a lot of male followers.

Because you're cute.

Because I'm cute.

People who follow you have a lot of malefollowers.

I see.

People who follow you abroad have a lot of malefollowers.

And they know a lot about you.

I see.

If I get the lyrics wrong, they'll say,

I made a mistake.

They'll say, I got caught.

Everyone is an otaku.

That's amazing.

There are a lot more people abroad who know youthan there are in Okinawa.

They're studying hard.

I think I have that image.

People who like Okinawa read a lot of books.

They say things they don't know at all.

They get angry.

Like, what are you talking about?

I see.

I talked about this earlier.

I think you've posted a lot of videos.

What do you see the most?

What do you react to the most?

What I react to the most is

the post about the history of Okinawa.

In Okinawa,

the war.

The Second World War.

The Okinawa War.

I think everyone knows about the Okinawa War.

I think everyone feels

like they do not want a war.

So,

they...

they retweet or mention stuff.

They tweet things like that

and they've spread the word widely.

people know about the history of Okinawa that

Like in school,

In Okinawa, for example, if you have leprosy,

you only have a few lines in your textbook.

Even in middle school and high school.

It's written so lightly that it makes you think,

how can you summarize such a tragic event in threelines?

But in reality, my relative is in the OkinawaIrakuen,

a leprosy treatment facility.

I've been there many times since I was little.

It's because I've seen people like that,

that I've always had these thoughts.

And the videos that convey these thoughts haveincreased a lot.

I've seen those videos.

I've always had this thought since I didn't havemany followers.

Not only do I want to deliver Okinawan songs,

but I also want to spread the influence ofOkinawan history.

I've always wanted to do that.

I think I'm getting there little by little.

Music is easy to convey, isn't it?

History and stories.

It's easy to spread, and it's fun to watch.

I'm also satisfied with the visuals.

It's a very important element.

I'm happy.

It's like, you're cute today too.

I'm happy.

Today, I came here wearing a helmet.

You look like you're in pain.

I was hiding.

Three or four days ago, it was really bad.

My lips were swollen.

My lymph nodes were swollen.

I had a terrible headache.

But I still had a live performance.

That's right.

It's hard to perform in front of an audience.

I thought I was going to cry.

Do you like my helmet today?

I can't see it at all.

You have to be careful in the summer.

It's easy to sweat.

Really?

Don't you sweat?

People who sweat often sweat, right?

You have it, right?

When it's summer.

It's not like winter.

Some people sweat.

Some people sweat because of the sun.

It's when you're sick and your immune system isdown.

That's what it should be.

Maybe you were tired.

You have to be careful.

I'm fine now.

Thanks to the spread of the virus in Nichi.

I'm glad you're fine.

Thanks to that, I had a headache the next day.

You swim a lot, don't you?

I swim a lot.

Like skin diving?

Yes, skin diving.

I think I really like Okinawa.

I like the sea and the mountains.

I also like to see Ryubu.

I feel like I'm in Okinawa.

That's what I feel like.

The elements of Okinawa.

I think the way to like Okinawa is like a nativespeaker.

Do you understand?

Ah, your favorite elements.

There are a lot of people in my home country whodon't go into the sea.

I can't play the guitar, and I can't sing.

But I think Okinawa is a good way to like it.

I'm good at it.

You can do it right.

Yes, I'm enjoying Okinawa.

I used to live in Osaka for 3 years

At that time, I really liked Okinawa

I really wanted to go to Okinawa

I didn't think I lived in such a nice place

It's not that Osaka is bad

Osaka has its good points

But I didn't know I liked Okinawa so much

I used to live by the river in Osaka

When I saw the river, I thought I wanted to goback to Okinawa

How long did you live in Osaka?

3 years

But you knew it was Okinawa

Yes

三線を始めたきっかけと師匠との歩み

You've been learning Sanshin since you were little

Did you have a passion to teach your parentsOkinawan culture?

Not at all

My teacher at a nursery

taught me Sanshin

My teacher at a nursery told me that I should goto Okinawa

So I went to Okinawa to learn Sanshin

I wanted to do it

Especially

When I was little, I watched Begin

I thought Sanshin was cool

So I imitated it at home

But no one in my family can play Sanshin

So I didn't have a Sanshin at home

So I did it at home

I wanted to do it since I was little

But my family didn't have a lot of money

So I couldn't learn a lot

The only thing I could learn was Ryukyubuyo andSanshin

I see

So you did Ryukyubuyo too

Just a little

My grandma taught me

So I started with Ryukyubuyo

I was told that Ryukyubuyo didn't have a goodsense

So I quit

And I went to Sanshin

That's an ideal

I want my daughter to do Ryukyubuyo and Sanshin

I watch Begin a lot on YouTube

If you want to do it, you can do it

I watch a lot of videos of A-san

I think A-san is good

I've been watching A-san since I was little

I always wanted to do A-san

I always wanted to do Sanshin

I think it's good

So you always wanted to join A-san?

When was it?

I wanted to join A-san since I was in kindergarten

I always wanted to be A-san's older sister

I was able to join Ooyama

Ooyama is really good

But for some reason, I liked Onii-chan and Onee-chan from Isa Seinenkai

Not the kids

The mature ones

The mature ones are cool

So I could only join from high school

I could only join from high school

So I waited until that time

And then, by chance

My childhood friend's son told me to join

So I joined

So your relatives weren't in Seinenkai?

No one was

Everything was self-released

That's amazing

You were called to Okinawa

I was called to Okinawa

While I was born

But in adult Seinenkai, there are small kids atthe end

So those kids are like Karin-chan from the past?

Not the kids

The parents are OB

There are some kids whose parents do it and join

But not the official members

The kids who are the mascots

Michijun Eidake-san

There are usually two kids

Two small kids

That's that

The special frame

Did you do Sanshin from 4th grade?

I did it from 4th grade

And when I went to Osaka, I was away from myteacher

I had a 3-year break

Between that

So when you joined, this person was your teacher?

Like a teacher

The first time I joined

There were a lot of kids

It was like a lesson

About Sanshin

They taught me a lot about the fun of Sanshin

From that time

It was a place where you were called to festivalsand old people's homes

It was a research center

So I did live performances from that time

The kids were chosen

There were a few people

In the summer, I did it once or twice a month

I really liked singing in front of people

That's amazing

It was a lot of fun

It was fun

But to improve

I thought I should learn somewhere else

When I was in high school

In the summer of 1st grade

I talked to my teacher

I wanted to learn somewhere else

And become better

My teacher really supported me

If I want to become better

I should learn from another teacher

She told me

I went to the next teacher

In high school

I learned from the second teacher

From that teacher

I learned a lot about folk songs

The folk songs I learned when I was a kid

And how to sing properly

How to add emotions

She taught me a lot

And I improved a lot

It's weird to say it myself

I think I improved a lot

When I was in high school

But

I was working part-time

So I didn't have a day off

Only on practice days

I had a day off on practice days

But I worked part-time all the time

And

I got a part-time job

I worked at Jimmy

I love Okinawa

I see

I worked at Jimmy for 3 years

And

When I went to Naichi

I left my teacher

And

That's how it started

Again

So you stayed in Naichi for 3 years

And came back

And joined another teacher

That's right

There were a lot of

Miracles

I wanted to start over

But the first year as a nurse

Was very busy

I was mentally exhausted

And I couldn't start over

I couldn't start over

At that time

It was a youth festival

And

There were a lot of

Newcomers

And

There was a

Singing contest

And

The winner

Was decided by

The best singer

There was a contest

And

One of my friends

Asked me if I could sing

With her

And I said yes

So we practiced

And

I went to the venue

And it was a regular entry

I was like what?

My friend was like what?

But

They asked me to sing

And I was like what?

But my friend

Was like

So I said yes

And

As a result

I won

And

I really like to sing in front of people

I want to start over

And

That's how it started

And

There was a

Singing contest

And

The winner

Was decided by

The best singer

And

I met a person

And she was

My teacher's

Older sister

And

I said long time no see

And

At that time

I said I have a student

And there was a boy

He was one year older than me

And I got close with him

At that contest

And

When I told him

Let's go drinking

He said he wanted to quit

And

Next time

If you want to be a teacher

Can you come with me?

And

I said yes

And

He was a great teacher

And I wanted to be his student

And

That's how I met him

And

Now he is

At Shimabukuro

And

He is

My teacher

It's a long story

Is it normal to

Talk about your teacher like this?

It's not normal

I don't think it's normal

I hear about it

Up to two people

But

It's like

Yeah

The church

Has changed three times

I don't think

It's a lot

It's always

With the teacher

It's almost

But

The first teacher

You want to be better

So you go to another place

I was so nervous

It's like a farewell

For ten years

You were together for a long time

The first person

5, 6, 1, 2, 3

About 6 years

We were together for 5, 6 years

We got along

We stayed at the same place

The teacher's child

Was the same age as me

We got along

We were like a family

We got along

I was so nervous

I felt sorry

But

It's the path I chose

So I have to say it

The teacher

Told me

About my daily life

Other than Sanshin

She told me a lot

She gave me a lot of love

I'm scared but I have to say it

I don't know how to say it

I thought it was no good

I was angry

She told me

She cheered me up

I was so surprised

Did you think about the opposite?

Like she might get mad

At first

I was scared

At first

I told her I wanted to quit

She was like why?

Is it no good?

She told me a lot

I thought it was no good

But when I explained the situation

She said

Is that so? Then quit

She told me that

I still remember that scene

She told me

So I decided to do my best

The next teacher

Also told me

I want to do my best

Thank you

The teacher

Told me

While

Doing that

Blending

While blending

Without forgetting

I want to do my best

She told me

Good luck

She cheered me up

The people I met

They are all great teachers

Flexible teachers

Really

If it was a long time ago

I would have done something impossible

I would have been more strict

I am really thankful

To the teachers

But the teachers

Should be happy

That you did well

I wonder

But

They came to the live

The second teacher

They came

To the second teacher

She said

Please don't come

I don't want to be seen

Rather than

Ordinary people

If there was a teacher

I would be nervous

So please come

When you get better

How old is the teacher now?

In her 40s

She is quite young

She is young

But

If I were to say

She has a really good voice

I really like her

She is a disciple of Chinasadao

I am a descendant of Chinasadao

She is also a teacher

To inherit

The culture of Sanshin

She organizes

A big event

There is a big event

Called Shimauta Keisho

Every year there is a big event

She organizes

That kind of event

She is active

She is really amazing

As a student

She has a really high level

She is still

At the top

No, no

She is really

At our

How to say

Research Institute

She has a really high level

I am just a normal person

So this is a class

On that day

A few people get together

And teach

But the level is divided

Yes, yes

There is a level

On Tuesdays and Thursdays

It is divided

On Tuesdays

There are beginners

Beginners

I am saying the same thing

There are beginners

On Thursdays

There are people who have been doing this foryears

They are really good

Shimauchon

Do you know Chonchon?

Chonchon is a pub

It is a pub

There is a pub

The manager of Chonchon

He is also a student

His name is Kenta

He is the only one

But the other members

They are really good

How old are they?

The top

Around 40

In front of 40

I think I am the youngest

I think

Everyone is older

Is that so?

Class

Like a rehearsal

Let's do this song

Like that

民謡の発音と歌詞の奥深さ

Do you study

The meaning of the song

By yourself?

Because it is a very high level

It is like a wood class

You don't teach it to people you don't know

Everyone is already

At a high level

Like this

But this song

The song I usually do

Is already decided

Like Ahabushi or Iwaibushi

The basic music

After that

The task

I learn this song

After a month

I learn another song

It is like that

It is not a level of

Hand and foot

I play it slowly

If it is like

Haibiki

I play it slowly

I play it together

How should I say it?

It is not like teaching

Hand and foot

It is not like teaching

If you look at Kunkunshi

You can understand

But in Kunkunshi

The position of the shaku is different

It is the same shaku

But in this song

At this time

There is a strong shaku

And a weak shaku

I learn that

The most I learn

Is singing

Singing

The pronunciation

The pronunciation of the dialect is difficult

I am careful about that

It is not like

In Japanese

It is like

I can't do it at all

The pronunciation

It is difficult

Even if you say it was good

Where was it good?

It is really difficult

The pronunciation

It is like studying language

I am not used to listening

Especially

People outside the prefecture

They are not used to listening

The pronunciation is difficult

I often say

The pronunciation is different

But there are people who are good at it

There are people who are good at pronunciation

It is amazing

Everyone is training

It is amazing

After all, Sanshin

This kind of song

The singer is

The meaning of the lyrics

Pronunciation

Singing

Recording

There are many things to do

It is like studying

It is like

This lyrics

It is like

The owner is

The teacher also listens to Sanshin

The meaning of the word

Because history always speaks together

The background of the word

Because of this, Shimak

We talked about it

I think like

There was a generation like this

I have a lot of things to think about, and I havea folk song that I've cried over and over again.

It's not about love or anything. It's a songcalled Nanyo-ko-uta.

It's a story about the separation of parents andchildren.

Well, it doesn't matter if it's outside of theprefecture or anywhere else, but they used to goout to earn money, didn't they?

But at that time, it was a ship, and it was hardfor them to come back to love.

And it was a time when they were like,

Please come back safely on the ship.

And in that situation, there was a song thatdepicted the appearance of a parent who saw offtheir child,

and a parent who said, I'll do my best even ifit's a lonely child.

I cried so many times.

But in the old days, I didn't have a cell phone,and I couldn't get in touch with my parents.

So I wrote a message saying, Bye-bye. Take care.

I cried in a song like that.

Wait a minute. I might have made a mistake.

I might be delusional.

No, it's a delusion.

It's like smoke from a chimney.

Something like that.

But there are a lot of people who leave theirparents.

Even for a while, they go from Okinawa to themainland.

Oh, the modern people.

Yes, the modern people.

So I've cried a lot while singing in karaoke.

In Tokyo.

There's something that comes to mind.

And the natto song.

Natto?

Natto...

Do you eat it?

Is it a golden flower?

Do you eat sushi and natto?

What was the song?

It's sung by a young lady.

Is it a golden flower?

I didn't understand the flow of natto at all.

Do you eat sushi and natto?

Oh, that one.

I said, What is sushi and natto?

You might understand.

But it's good, isn't it?

And the golden flower.

When I was in vocational school,

my teacher said, Do you like Nenezu?

Even though I'm from Osaka.

And she said, I like Nenezu's golden flower.

That song is really good, isn't it?

I was surprised.

I was like, you know Nenezu?

The people outside the prefecture.

That's amazing.

I was really happy.

But even if you don't understand the meaning,

There are things that come to you.

Even if you don't understand the dialect at all.

If you understand the meaning,

More.

Because Ryukyubu people also

When you dance, you become that person.

And the lyrics are super slow.

I was talking about dancing with my soul.

There's something a little closer.

I think Ryukyubu is really amazing.

Ryukyubu and classical music.

People who do it.

I'm really bad at singing classical music.

It's really difficult.

With the same words.

After all, the pitch is...

It's different, but it's completely different.

And the pitch is completely different.

Besides, Minyo sings quite freely.

So, depending on the teacher who teaches you,

The way you sing, the pitch is different.

Even Sanshin is different.

But in classical music, everything is decided.

The pitch, the Sanshin, the sound.

It's all decided.

I think it's amazing.

And I forget.

It's really difficult.

I see.

You can't do it yourself.

Minyo is still like a dance.

Minyo has a lot of easy-to-learn songs.

So classical music is difficult.

I didn't even know that Minyo was in the classicalmusic field.

I didn't know at all.

It's completely different.

For example,

If I say I want to be a disciple of Karin, can Ibe a teacher?

You can't be a teacher yet.

I don't have a teacher's license yet.

You have a license.

It depends on the church.

If I say I want to be a disciple, can I be ateacher?

Or can I be a disciple of Karin's class?

It's not like that.

I have a relationship with the teacher.

I hear what kind of Sanshin I want to learn.

Then I say, why don't you go to this teacher?

I always say that.

I don't want to learn a real Minyo.

Even if I introduce my research institute topeople,

they say, I wanted to play Shimanchinuta.

That's why I'm doing it.

But one day you want to be a teacher.

I want to be a teacher.

My goal is to become a teacher of Sanshin.

That's why I started a live activity.

I thought there was nothing I could do until I gota teacher's license.

I thought there was no one who wanted to teach meif I didn't get a teacher's license.

So I decided to do a live activity on SNS.

When I got a teacher's license,

I started SNS because I wanted to attract people.

Is there a qualification between students?

It depends on the church.

If you are under the age of elementary school,

what did I say?

I forgot, but there is one thing.

After you are over the age of middle school,

you will be able to receive the rookie award,excellent award, and highest award.

The person who gets the highest award can get ateacher's license.

There is a order.

I see.

But the people at the top level of the humanrights law are getting older.

The people at the top level of the human rightslaw are getting older.

They can't speak.

But they are still cool.

But they can't speak.

There are some people like that.

I think it's the current situation.

If you look at it and learn.

You can only learn from your disciples.

沖縄民謡の歴史と地域差

You can only learn from your disciples.

While listening to what the teacher said,

while listening to the old stories,

it's really fun.

It's fun to listen to.

The stories of the young people of the old civilservants.

They drank a lot.

In that era, they were told not to do sanshin.

I see.

After the war, they were told not to do sanshinbecause it would make them stupid.

They were told not to do sanshin because it wouldmake them stupid.

They were told not to do minyo.

It's not like that now.

I don't know.

It's just my imagination.

I don't think there are many people in their 50sand 60s who can play sanshin.

I see.

I don't know.

I don't think there are many people in their 50sand 60s who can play sanshin.

So they were told not to do sanshin because itwould make them stupid.

I think so.

There was a time like that.

You said that if it was minyo, you would do koten.

In that era, the genre of minyo was not new.

It was new.

I don't know.

It became the world of the night.

People drank a lot.

I heard that they played a lot when they wereyoung.

There was an image of minyo.

I want to see it.

It's not just minyo.

I heard from my mother when I was a child.

When I sing or act in front of people, there aremany places to drink at night.

My mother told me to stand on such a stage when Iwas a child.

Do you mean that the entertainers have a badimage?

It's a place where you can learn entertainment.

It's the world of the night.

But it was recognized by the media.

I see.

They didn't have a lot of money.

I see.

I think they don't have much money.

I think it's a culture where you have to show offyour money.

I thought it would be very difficult.

Simakuteba is different depending on the region.

It depends on the region, right?

And for the lyrics,

it depends on where the word came from,

so it's different.

It becomes a common language,

a song.

The real difference is...

I'm sorry,

I haven't heard much about

folk songs.

I think the way

the lyrics are spoken is different,

but the words in the lyrics

aren't usually the same.

It depends on the region.

I don't feel

much of a regional difference.

Oh, but

there's a song called

Sensuru Bushi,

arranged by

Seijin Noborikawa.

The song

is about

the dialects of

various regions.

That's the song.

That's the difference,

I think.

That's all I know.

I see.

The song is

in the standard language of

Semakuteba, so I don't know

if you can sing it.

Maybe so.

It's funny.

You don't know if you don't listen.

You don't even know the meaning of the lyrics.

I was surprised to hear

that it was such a lyric.

I was surprised to hear

that it was such a lyric.

That's right.

If the times change,

the content of the song

will be completely different.

I'm sorry to say that,

but in today's world,

we don't use that song

as a lyric.

We don't say

a ship is coming.

But I feel the times,

so it's really good.

I have another favorite song.

It's my favorite song,

but I forgot the title.

It's a song called

Nacijin Amisukubushi.

Do you know

the meaning of Juri?

I don't know.

Juri is like the current

Baishunfu.

We do it for money

and for life.

We have no choice

but to do it for our family.

For the sake of our family,

we go out

to the market

and sell

Baishunfu.

We go out to the market

Finally, we make money

and go home.

When we come back,

our parents are gone.

That's the sad story of the song.

I think it's a song

about people's lives

and their life at the time.

I think it's really hard

with this person's feeling.

If you don't know

historical background

and many things,

you can't sing

this song.

Minyo has many songs like that.

I forgot

I forgot if it was a folk song or a word, but inTohoku Prefecture,

Okinawa has a lot of songs with a lot of words.

So, compared to Japanese folk songs, Okinawan folksongs have a higher level.

I've heard that it's more difficult.

I've heard that there are a lot of songs after thewar.

Before the war...

I don't know what to talk about.

I don't have much knowledge.

If it's a story about a ship coming, it's like astory before the war.

I don't know how old it is.

I think it's the Ryukyu period.

If it's a story about a ship coming, it's like anold song.

I think it's a song that no one knows who made it.

I think that kind of old song is before the war.

I think so.

For example, Tinsagunohana.

It's a song that has been passed down sinceancient times.

Songs after the war are modern.

The sound is very free.

The rhythm is also...

In the old days, there was a fast beat.

There are a lot of things like that.

In the old days, it wasn't like this.

What is it?

It's the same.

What do you call it?

The rhythm is not like this.

I can't do it unless I play it.

Something like that.

The rhythm is different.

It's easier to get used to the new rhythm.

There are a lot of songs like that.

That's what I wanted to talk about.

It's getting more and more modern.

Famous songs are like Hiyamikachibushi.

It's not supposed to be that fast.

It's a very slow song.

I think it was Heshikiya.

I don't know if it was Heshikiya.

I think it was Hiyamikachibushi.

The tree that was dancing with Acer.

The one who changed it to such a fast beat wasSeijin Noborikawa.

It's getting easier and easier to get used to.

I think it's changing.

I see.

It's really interesting.

It's deep.

If there was one song,

I would arrange this song and make it the mostinteresting and the most hit.

The one who made the song would be the winner.

Let's fight for the win.

We fought with about four people.

One of the songs was a big hit.

It's really interesting.

I was listening to the teacher's story.

I often listen to Okinawan music on Spotify.

There are a lot of people who cover the same song.

There are a lot of people who play the same song.

I don't know who made the song.

If the composer and the lyricist are divided,

they make the whole song and give it to thewinner.

There are a lot of people like that.

I don't know who made the song.

三線唄者としての個性と将来の夢

Are you in your 30s now?

Yes, I will be in my 30s from now on.

Do you have a lot of friends in this generation?

Or do you have fewer friends?

I don't think it's increasing, but I don't thinkit's decreasing.

When I was a kid, my friends almost all quit.

But now that I'm an adult, the number of peoplewho want to do it themselves is increasing.

There are a lot of people who have been doing itsince that age.

There are a lot of people who appear on liveshows.

There are a lot of people who play sanshin atweddings and events.

I know a lot of people who play sanshin.

Everyone has a different style.

So I feel like this generation is in the world ofindividuality.

I don't know what kind of event I'll be invited toor what kind of event I'll be invited to.

That person's personality is pretty strong.

I don't know much about sanshin from an amateur.

I don't know how much I can liven up the venue.

From an organizer's point of view.

If this person is there, it's gorgeous.

That's exactly right.

Depending on the place, the atmosphere of theevent is different.

I look like a hip-hop artist, so it's easy for meto be invited to events like that.

I like places like that.

That's true.

People who sing sanshin meet at various events.

But I don't know everyone's background.

When I talk to Karin, I realize that she's a realsanshin.

She always plays sanshin like A-Witch.

But I have a teacher in my classroom.

And I'm still learning.

There are many people who sing sanshin in privatebars.

There are also people who sing sanshin in theiroffices.

I don't know everyone's background.

I don't know who's great because there's ateacher.

I don't know who's great.

When I heard this story, I realized that she's areal sanshin.

A real sanshin.

I'm doing it properly.

But I think it's a little different for me to saywho's great because there's a teacher.

I think it's a little different for me to saywho's great because there's a teacher.

Even if you learn from the same teacher, eachperson's habits are completely different.

It's rude to say this, but some people are notgood at singing.

Some people are not good at taking notes.

But some people like to do it.

Some people are not good at taking notes.

It's not like everyone is good because they arethis teacher's students.

After that, it's individual.

And the person's personality.

I like to be in front of people.

I'm good at livening up.

I'm good at livening up in this kind of situation.

It's different for everyone.

It's a matter of preference.

I really like it.

I don't want to play pop songs.

So sometimes I like it more than pop songs.

If you're doing it more than pop songs, pop songsare really strong.

It's a matter of preference.

I really like pop songs.

But there are a lot of songs that have beenforgotten.

I think I have to do it in order.

There are people who are doing sanshin, but thereare also people who are learning normally.

Do you do a lot of pop songs live at work?

I do a lot of pop songs live.

That's great.

Sometimes I ask people to join me as a sanshinmodel.

Basically, it's a sanshin live.

Or a wedding.

I have the most memorable sanshin.

Memories?

It's been a long time since I've had a sanshin.

My parents went on a trip to Okinawa for a Beijucelebration.

I was in my 80s.

I went with my grandparents.

I was asked to do a sanshin at a hotel as asurprise.

I have a lot of memories of that.

I've never done a surprise.

The person who asked me wasn't there.

I didn't know him.

I had a lot of conversations with the hotel staff.

I said, I'm in the hotel room now, so I'll callyou on the phone.

They were excited.

I was like, who?

But they were very happy.

It was a good memory.

It was a strange live.

I have a feeling that I can go back to Okinawajust by listening to the sound of sanshin.

It's not just Okinawan sanshin.

When I was living in New York, there was a personplaying sanshin alone at the station.

Just looking at this scene, I was like, oh my god,I'm going to Okinawa.

I remember playing sanshin alone and it was socool.

I was able to play sanshin on the street.

It was like a connection.

I haven't talked about it, but I was veryimpressed.

That's my experience.

I want to play it overseas.

I think it's really good.

I want to play it a lot, but I can't bring mysanshin from my hometown.

Oh, because it's heavy.

That's why I have to bring my sanshin from myhometown.

Someday, I want to travel by camping car and playsanshin everywhere.

I want to go on a road trip.

I have kids, so I can't do it right away.

Someday.

It's a dream of someday.

When the kids grow up, we'll go around in acamping car together.

It should be fun.

It's a lot of fun.

How do you say it?

Getting tips?

Getting tips.

That's right.

That's good.

Let's go then.

Interview.

It's not an interview, it's just a trip.

I heard you're doing it here.

But if you translate it for me.

That's right.

I can help.

That's right.

新曲『ウミナイビ』に込めたしまくとぅば

Today, we're going to talk about our new song.

Let's talk about our new song.

When is the new song going to be released?

It's going to be released on September 18th.

September 18th is the day of Shima Kutuba inOkinawa.

It's difficult to say the name of the song thatwill be released on that day.

It's difficult, isn't it?

It's called Uminaibi.

Uminaibi.

That's right.

Uminaibi is a word used for noble women in thepast.

So they used it for noble people like princesses.

Looking at Okinawa now,

what do you think?

The words are completely different.

Why did you forget the words?

That's what I thought when I wrote this song.

The importance of Okinawan dialect.

Uyafa Fuji.

Have you heard of it?

I've heard of it, but what does it mean?

Your ancestor?

My ancestor, Uyafa Fuji, left me Okinawan KuganiKutuba.

I put it on the lyrics.

I wanted people to think,

what does this lyric mean?

What does this Kugani Kutuba mean?

I wanted people to think that.

That's why I made this song.

I wanted to leave some of the words that weretaken away by the times.

That's what this song is about.

It has a little bit of rap,

and a little bit of Okinawan feel.

I hope you don't get tired of it.

I hope you don't get tired of this song.

Please listen to it.

You listened to it, right?

It was really cool.

Thank you.

How many songs have you released so far?

Or have you been doing it recently?

This is my third song.

I decided to make it only when I have the passionto convey this feeling.

I think it's important to make it step by step.

I can sing it live.

But more than that,

I wanted to make a song based on my own history.

Like, this is how I felt at this time.

That's why I'm making it step by step.

It's been a long time,

but it's finally done.

That's right.

I want to make a song that I want to leave

in order to leave my hometown, Shimakutuba.

When that feeling warms up,

I'll make it when I feel like it.

It's weird, but I'll make it when I feel like it.

I wanted to release it on a meaningful day.

Then there was the day of Shimakutuba.

So I decided to release it on that day.

That's how I started making it.

You said you came up with the lyrics by yourself.

How do you come up with the lyrics?

I don't know if I'm a singer or not,

but I put in Shimakutuba or rap.

I put in Shimakutuba or rap.

In my case, I think about the general compositionfirst.

I feel like I put in the elements of the kanji.

Did you get the kanji?

Yes, I did.

The first one.

That's good.

I put in those elements,

but I also wanted to do something new.

So I decided to put in the rap first.

After I put in the rap,

I wanted to put in the sounds and lyrics

I wanted to put it in like,

don't forget it.

I made it from that composition.

After I made it,

I thought about the rhythm of the lyrics.

I thought about the melody.

I thought, this melody fits well.

Then I put in the lyrics.

That's how I do it.

I also wanted to include this word.

I wanted to make this word stand out.

I thought about that and put it in first.

That's how I do it.

If you have the lyrics,

do you ask your teacher about it?

Like, how is this?

I made the lyrics by myself.

I recorded the sound.

Before I mixed and mastered it,

I asked my teacher if I could listen to it.

He said,

it's okay, there's no problem.

Good luck.

He said, good luck.

I said, thank you.

When you came to see the stage,

you were nervous.

I was nervous to let you listen to the song.

I just had a baby.

The rehearsal was at night,

so I couldn't go.

I asked him on LINE.

He listened to it.

From the moment I sent it,

I was so nervous.

I thought,

he might say,

I made a mistake.

I was so nervous.

But he cheered me up.

Your teacher is positive

when you put in rap

or your own style.

I don't think it's my teacher's hobby.

I don't think so.

But he said he wanted to support me.

My teacher has seniors above him.

So he has to look up to them.

I have to look up to my teacher.

So it's difficult.

It's difficult.

When I make a new song,

I can't put mud on my teacher's face.

So it's difficult.

When you put in rap,

it becomes a new sound

that you've never heard before.

I think it's amazing

to make it.

Something you're not used to.

Right?

But I was born with

reggae, minyo, all mixed.

That's why I was born with music.

I've always loved Queen since I was little.

When I see that,

I feel like it's a waste

I've had that feeling for a long time.

I want to make a lot of songs.

I don't want to be trapped by the genre.

Well, I'm trapped to some extent.

There's a rhythm.

Reggae and hip-hop have completely differentrhythms.

I want to be an artist

who is not trapped by the genre.

But...

What is it?

I don't want to think twice.

There's something like that.

If I make it wide and shallow,

I can't finish it.

I'm thinking about that.

I want to make it as good as possible.

That's what I think.

It's cool.

Thank you very much.

It's like Only One.

I want to aim for Only One.

From the looks to the contents,

it's like Okinawa.

It's not just Okinawa.

It was a darker Okinawa.

That's what it was like.

Wait a minute.

The song is on August 19th.

Oh, it's September 18th.

I'm sorry.

It's September 18th,

so when it's sunny,

I'll post it on YouTube and Spotify.

Please listen to it.

Please.

If you listen to the background and thoughts

you made,

you'll be more excited.

Yeah.

It's sad that I don't understand

my grandparents' words.

There are nuances that can only be

conveyed in dialect.

There are so many nuances.

That's right.

I can't convey it properly.

It's sad.

I'm lonely.

I think so.

I want to take care of my ancestors.

I want to take care of my grandparents.

If you feel the same way,

please study dialect.

I want you to do it.

Thank you.

We'll study, too.

I don't understand at all.

I don't understand.

That's all for today.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

#120 Beyond Genres, Deep Roots. Preserving Okinawa Tradition. | ジャンルレス三線唄者が沖縄を唄い、継ぐ。【三線唄者：津波古夏鈴 Sanshin Singer : Karin Tsuhako】

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