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What's up, amazing people? This is iYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan, Japanese, and English.
Some people don't believe in the existence of the COVID-19 and refuse to wear masks and vaccinate.
Many of them, especially Republican supporters, are influenced by conspiracy theories coming
from the United States and Europe. Why do people believe in conspiracy theories so much?
According to the Pew Research Center, a U.S. research firm, only 41% of Republican supporters,
including those close to Republicans, which is half of Democratic supporters,
think that the COVID-19 is a serious problem of threatening public health.
Although vaccination is progressing in the United States as a whole country,
some states, which has many Republicans, vaccination rate is low. 45% of the white Christian
evangelicals are reluctant to vaccinate. As of June 2020, 71% of U.S. adults have
heard conspiracy theories says the spread of COVID infection was deliberately planned by
authorities with their power, and 25% of them said it is certainly true and probably true.
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Yup. Yup. About the conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theory. Yeah.
Easy like that. Conspiracy theory. Okay. First of all, we need to understand what is
a conspiracy theory. According to the internet,
what did you think about the article? About the article, I don't really know about like Republicans
or Democrats versus the vaccine. What I want to talk about today is more like people around us
seems to believe a different source, different information, and people don't really want to talk
about it, but they are really focused on digging into certain information by themselves. Yeah.
By the community, by family, by anyone who are close to them.
Mm-hmm.
A little bit related to us too. We're kind of enjoying to hear about conspiracy theory.
Yeah. As an entertainment.
Since COVID started, I've been watching YouTube a lot, and I saw many info about conspiracy
theories, people talking about like so many things about it. And I've actually seen about the
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media. As you said, like so many people trying to search information behind the media
using YouTube and Twitters and all that social media, and people have their idea now.
Yeah. Compared to like the time before COVID started. It's really difficult to, you know,
I think we didn't even need to believe conspiracy, conspiracy, conspiracy theory.
These conspiracy theory things happen like every time when the economy collapse, when we have some
kind of virus.
Before the COVID,
I don't like media too, either.
Mm-hmm.
It's more interesting to dig into a conspiracy theory than watching just TV, saying the same
shit every day. It's also like connecting to the previous episode we talked about media literacy.
I think because it's said as a conspiracy theory, but some people believe this is the
accurate information.
It's not a conspiracy theory for them. It's just a fact.
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Yeah. So it's, you know, kind of difficult to find out which is true or not, or which I should
believe or not. So, as I, you know, saw a lot of articles about conspiracy theory before we started
recording, I think we should know that people are affected by those theory, but we shouldn't
force people to believe what they believe. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Like people believe what they want to believe, people they want to hear what they want to hear.
Yeah.
Including ourselves.
New York Times.
So, is
believing conspiracy theory is including as coping mechanism to help their minds?
For example, like some people lost their job because of COVID, or people are in difficult
situation because of the, like, people trying to find the answer. Then they're gonna find the
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conspiracy theory and that kind of information save people who are in struggle with it.
Yeah, and any information that makes them to feel like make sense.
Everything is business in the world. And I really agree with it.
Mm-hmm.
The advertisement and media and people, you know, created the YouTube channel, they want money.
That's why they started talking about hot topic like this.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Like, there is a people believes that the earth is flat.
Mm-hmm.
And I think there's some, like, advantages for people if they are encouraged to live.
Mm-hmm.
Is there any, like, specific definition or difference between conspiracy theory and religious?
It's gonna be really religious.
But it's gonna open the door to it.
Oh, I think we need to talk about the article says...
It says...
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It's based on actual story, going to the different stories.
Actually happened already.
Already.
Wow.
Wow.
I wanna believe that.
Mm-hmm.
Pizza?
Pizza?
Pizza?
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Pizza gate.
Pizza gate.
I have heard about it.
I didn't know it's called as a pizza gate.
Is this true?
Mm-hmm.
The more information are released people, the more they believe.
Different kinds of information, you mean?
How viral it is.
Mm-hmm.
That makes more true.
Mm.
Even if it's not true.
Mm.
Mm.
Yeah.
Passionate for something.
For something.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
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Mm.
Something is something.
You should stop doing it right now.
It depends on who are saying to you.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Do not wear a mask.
Do not wear a mask.
Movement.
Is there any movement?
There are some.
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For elementary school.
On Instagram.
It depends on what data they use.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Other diseases.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Anything like that.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
Mm.
You should do performance sometimes for them.
Like a diary?
Yeah, if you don't know how to be rational and flexible,
who do you think you're doing this for?
You don't have to do it for yourself.
You have to do it for the people around you.
You don't have to wear a mask.
You don't have to do it for everyone.
I don't think it's a good idea to go to a hippie village and ask them to do it for you.
I don't think that kind of flexibility is a good idea.
If you do it for them, they'll say,
Did you lose your mind because you wore a mask?
That's nonsense.
We're all adults.
You can do whatever you want.
But humans are social creatures.
I think it's okay to have a little bit of empathy.
But I think Japanese people are like this because they have too much empathy.
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I like to see people have different opinions.
You like that?
Yeah, I want to see that.
I think that's more human.
If everyone says the same thing, it's so boring.
There's a debate about everything.
I think we should talk to each other.
I said this on the radio the other day.
I think it's good to lose interest in others to some extent.
You're not me.
Yeah, you're not me.
I'm not you.
I'm not you.
So do whatever you want.
I don't care.
I think that's good.
You can focus on yourself with what you believe.
I can understand why you want to convince people.
That's good.
You can't kill people.
There's a debate about not killing people.
There's a situation where you have to kill people.
It's the same thing.
I don't think there's an extreme opinion.
There's a limit to how far you can go.
Anyways.
Yeah, this is really interesting.
This is a conspiracy theory.
I agree.
I agree.
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That was so long.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think this article is based on the opinion of people in the real world.
So I think this person is also drunk.
And the person who did the game is also drunk.
So you shouldn't care about them.
You're right.
I don't think it's just a conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theories are popular because of COVID-19.
People who have a sense of justice are easy to become.
Like Akane said, people who are passionate.
People who don't want to hurt others.
People who want to be noticed.
People who have a lot of imagination.
The second one is similar.
People who are fortune-tellers.
Even if it's a meaningless and abstract prophecy,
you can see that they read it appropriately and are satisfied with it.
Fortune-tellers say that they predict the trend of the novel coronavirus infection and the global recession,
but there are only anxieties and changes that can be applied to anything.
You can say that they have a high empathy, but you can also say that they are over-interpreting themselves.
In the first place, it seems that there is a high possibility that they don't know their own worries and situations properly.
I think this writer doesn't like something they can't see.
They can't see?
I think so.
This article is a little critical.
I love fortune-telling.
It's not because of that, but it's pretty determined.
I think this article is a little critical.
It's like the article written by a realist.
I don't have anyone who hurts me.
In my mind.
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I don't care.
It's a fun article.
I think that's fine, so I don't care.
Fortune-tellers say it hurts.
What do you think?
They are poor people.
Fortune-tellers predict everything, but I think everything is true.
You have to think for yourself.
When I do fortune-telling, I only believe in good things.
I don't believe in bad things.
But most of the fortune-tellers don't say really bad things to anyone.
For example, shiitake mushrooms.
They only say good things.
But if you look at it from a different perspective,
they only say good things, so it's not a lie.
If you think that humans live to be happy,
of course they only say good things to me, right?
I don't believe in gods or strange things.
Huh?
Am I Dankai Five?
I think most of people are Dankai Five.
Most of people are Dankai Five?
If they think about their life really seriously.
I think so.
But after Dankai, it's Kyuanon.
I think so, too.
But I think people in Dankai One and Two are indifferent to everything.
Everyone has something, but I don't know about Dankai One and Five.
People in Dankai Four and Five are...
The more people think about their life or themselves,
they want to dig so many things about yourself,
about social things.
So they want a better life, they think.
That's why they want...
They tend to be Dankai Three, Four, Five.
I think that's why they have extreme opinions.
I think a lot of people are like that.
Extreme?
People who don't have a career or a lifestyle,
especially people who don't have a lot of hope,
or people who don't have a lot of requests,
probably follow the information given to them.
I don't think that's a bad thing.
I don't think they think too much about it.
But...
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In a situation like that,
for example, when you go to work,
freelancers have more time to work, pay,
find out about their future,
and find out what kind of information they have.
I think the more people like that, the more opinions they have.
It's like a different point of view.
I think that's different from this conspiracy theory, Dankai.
It's a bit similar, but...
I don't know.
This is an American chart.
America is a country of conspiracy theories.
That's why it's so colorful.
Japanese people come and go.
I talked about this before the interview,
but America is a pretty unstable country,
so I think a lot of conspiracy theories come out.
Japanese people are also kind of into conspiracy theories.
But that's because the economy and medical care are collapsing due to COVID-19.
That's why people are interested in it.
I think the country has been too peaceful so far.
It's not about peace.
You don't have to be interested in politics.
If you can live, no one will kill you.
So there's no point in believing in conspiracy theories.
I mean, it's just not necessary.
After COVID-19, I don't know,
let's say bioterrorism comes in 10 years.
And when the economy goes down again,
a new conspiracy theory will come out.
So I'm not saying,
It's a trend.
I think so.
It's just a trend in the world.
If you look at the history,
you can find out a lot about the Spanish flu.
If you look at what people were doing at that time,
everything happened the same thing.
Do you feel like that?
I do.
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But if you show your friend two different behaviors,
it will confuse you about which one is the real you.
In sociology,
this is called the audience-to-audience problem.
Hmm
That's normal.
I mean,
when I saw this article,
I was like,
that's talking about me
and talking about you and everybody.
Like, I think
most of people
already experienced that
when you see people on
social media
and face-to-face,
it's really different.
And
I thought it was normal.
I thought it was normal.
I thought it was normal.
I realized that I was like that too.
I realized that I was like that too.
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't mean to be like that,
but when I saw it objectively,
I thought it might be like that.
Yeah.
The things we post on our
Instagram or social media is
towards random people.
towards random people.
Yeah.
But when I see people
and if I talk to them,
it's towards them only.
So in the first place,
I feel like
I'm the only one
who can hear
what other people are saying.
I feel like I'm the only one who can hear what other people are saying.
I feel like I'm the only one who can hear what other people are saying.
But you think about it.
If it's social media,
for example,
if you've never met someone on Instagram
but you watch their stories every day,
you get close to them.
So you can tell them
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what's going on today
and when you meet them in person,
you're a stranger to them.
Yeah.
If you don't even say hi,
she's not really nice
in real life.
If you panic like that,
it's a different story.
it's a different story.
Yeah.
But you can tell how they feel.
I thought you're my friend,
but you're not actually.
but you're not actually.
That's right.
In the past,
there were a lot of
passionate fans
who didn't care about celebrities.
There were a lot of passionate fans
who didn't care about celebrities.
But now,
there are a lot of influencers
and celebrities,
so it's very real.
so it's very real.
But in reality,
they don't care.
That's why
they're surprised
when they meet you in person.
That's right.
What about me?
On social media
and in person,
what do you think?
I imagine
if I were
not a close friend.
I'm just an acquaintance.
I'm really interested.
If so,
I see your Instagram
posted on
you love yourself,
you love earth,
you pick up the garbage
from the beach.
It sounds like you're really
eco-friendly.
You're an eco-friendly person
and have a strong sense of justice.
You're an eco-friendly person and have a strong sense of justice.
You're an eco-friendly person and have a strong sense of justice.
You're a very happy person
but
you can't make friends.
That's why
even if I met Akane
when I was 30 years old,
I thought
she was very positive and not good at it.
I thought she was very positive and not good at it.
I thought she was very positive and not good at it.
I thought she was very positive and not good at it.
But when I actually met her,
I thought she was
kind of loose.
But
if you don't increase
the number of people you meet,
you become an eco-friendly person.
If you have plastic bags,
what if someone complains behind your back?
What if someone complains behind your back?
But I think
that's the only thing
I post.
When I post
something on social media,
I don't
post every single
thing I do.
I just post some remarkable
things in my life.
So picking up
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garbage at the beach is really
fun. It's like a shining moment.
Yeah, a shining moment and then
a really fun day for me.
That's why I want to post memories
on it. And also
doing the radio
and waiting for a shooting.
and waiting for a shooting.
I'm planning all the things every day.
I'm doing simple things every day.
That's the day I
do in
the world.
That's why
I want to post
things. But if people
see only those parts,
maybe they
kind of feel like
it's kind of hard to be friends with me.
But
you can be friends with me anytime.
That part
of you is also you.
So
what do you think
is something that people
on social media can't see
in you?
Yeah, I think I'm more
attractive in person.
Really?
I like to be said
like that.
You are more
friendly than I thought.
Because I am.
Oh my god. Attractive.
What about you, Minami?
Minami is...
Mysterious person
as hell.
Minami is...
If I don't know you
in real life,
I think you
are mysterious.
Like, I don't know what
you're doing at work.
I don't know what you
like. I don't know
who is your real
friends.
Because you hang
out with boys and girls.
And I
don't know. I know
some about your family
but I don't know about
you so much. I don't know why
you live in Tokyo and Okinawa
and you sometimes
seem like
really nice
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and friendly but sometimes
you are really
logical and
smart and I don't
know which is
you.
But
in
person, Minami is
really nice.
And she doesn't
For example, on
Instagram, she doesn't write
everything she
thinks.
She is more
deeper.
She thinks many
things and she has
her strong opinion
as well.
She
is progressing
every single day.
You have no idea.
I think so.
Minami is
more
opinionated.
I do
really care about
what I say on social media.
I need to
organize my thoughts.
And Minami has a bad personality
so sometimes
I get tired of
what other people say.
But sometimes I do it as well.
So I think
we should have
some distance between us.
I used to
say bad things about
the world because
I don't want
to say it on social media.
But I think
it's because of
my job.
People who use
social media
are all around me.
For example,
I am a category
monster.
I have to analyze
what people say.
So I think
it's because of my job.
I know how people
look at me.
But I don't care anymore.
Maybe
we are getting close to
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being
what we are.
There we go.
But
I think
I am changing
over the years.
So
people who
met me 5 years ago
might think
I am different.
At some point.
But
my way of speaking and
attitude hasn't changed
since elementary school.
That's my
introduction.
It's interesting
how people
look at you
on social media
and how you
speak in real life.
It depends on
how good you are.
If you are good at
taking photos and writing,
social media is good.
But if you are
the most attractive
when you smile,
if you are the most stupid
when you talk,
I don't know.
It depends.
My way of writing and
speaking are different.
So
what?
That's connecting to
people
in China
have
opinion
because of
COVID.
That's what I mean.
On social media,
there are people who
see themselves as
themselves and
there are people who
see gaps.
It's interesting how we see
all the media
and all the things around you.
People and media
are all like that.
That's my
personal opinion.
We don't need to believe anything
at some point.
I mean
we don't need to believe
any kind of information.
You can't believe someone you love.
It's not logical
because you love them.
Apart from that,
I think you should
look at
all the information
and no matter how
reliable it is,
you need to be calm
and think about
why you came into the world.
Otherwise,
there's no point in existing.
Every piece of information
has someone's benefit
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hidden in it.
I sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Every article
has
a company
and an organization
and there are people
behind it.
If you look at
the history and
the relationship between
people and
people,
you can be calm.
But the conspiracy theory
is fun.
It's an entertainment.
Also, I think
that you should
believe what you want to believe
sometimes.
If it's easier
for you to live.
I think so too.
There should be
something theory.
You should believe
what you want to believe
and also you should accept
their opinion too.
You don't have to
force them.
Like you said,
anybody can believe
what they want to believe
and the things you believe in
is not a fact.
It's the things you want to believe.
I'm not you.
You're not me.
I'm questioning
when I see people
who are scared
or surprised by the news.
You're not me.
You shouldn't be so
upset about it.
That's what you mean.
Everything is
something else.
It's not what you see
with your own eyes.
You're at the edge of the game.
That's what I think.
Do you get it?
I think so.
I see.
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We talked about conspiracy
theory today.
Some people believe
about conspiracy theory
but some people don't believe it.
An article said
there are
five steps
you can be in danger
with believing in a
conspiracy theory.
Also, people
have different
characteristics on social media
and real life.
We think we have
those
things
in common.
We should
believe what you want to believe.
Also, you shouldn't
deny or
force
something to people
with your
strong opinion.
We should be acceptable
with all the things.
Good one.
Be happy.
Have good mental health.
Don't be
upset about all the information
every single time.
That's all
for today.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
