2025-12-01 26:17

Ep250 煙の樹

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ボー氏が最近読んだ本「煙の樹」について、本編は3分の1読んだ時点での感想、あとがたりでは全て読んだ感想を話しています。

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The episode examines a two-volume novel centered on the Vietnam War, highlighting its recent release and the reader's progressive engagement with its characters and themes. It delves into personal experiences related to the Vietnam War, including the effects of PTSD and the transformations occurring in Vietnam over the years. The speaker shares their experiences with various foods, with a particular focus on Vietnamese cuisine, and provides insights into their connections with the Department of Science and Technology as well as their expertise in fascia release. The hosts talk about their forthcoming trip to Taiwan for an autograph session with Aizoban at a prominent anime and manga event, expressing their excitement and anticipation for the experience.

Vietnam War Novel
スピーカー 2
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スピーカー 1
It's a book by an American writer who published it in 2009.
The translated version was published in 2010.
It's a relatively new book.
It was published 15 years ago.
It's not a classic book.
It's a two-volume book.
It's a two-volume book.
スピーカー 3
It's really like a dictionary.
スピーカー 1
It's a two-volume book.
It's about 658 pages long.
It's a very thick book.
スピーカー 3
It looks expensive.
スピーカー 1
It's expensive.
I think it's about 4,000 yen.
I wasn't sure if I should buy it.
But I'm curious, so I bought it and I'm reading it now.
It's a book about the Vietnam War.
It's a novel.
It's a novel about the Vietnam War.
I only know this much.
I'm looking at the diary of the person who is reading this.
I was curious about the directions.
I was curious about the directions.
So I bought it and read it.
I haven't seen any books on the Vietnam War yet.
First of all, it was quite unexpected.
There are a lot of American novels and movies about the Vietnam War.
There are a lot of books like that, but I had the impression that they were all finished in the 80s.
And this book was published in 2010 or 2009, and I thought,
there are still books about the Vietnam War.
I was quite impressed by that.
And now, I wonder how people talk about the Vietnam War.
I was interested in that.
And it was so thick, and it was a two-volume book, and it was a novel.
I was curious about that, and I thought it would be hard to read.
And it was expensive.
So I decided to buy it.
Now, I've read about a third of it.
スピーカー 3
Oh, that's good.
スピーカー 2
I read about 200 pages, but I finally went to Vietnam.
スピーカー 3
Finally?
スピーカー 1
I read 200 pages, and I finally got to Vietnam.
I was like, oh, now?
スピーカー 3
Can you read that much? Is it hard to read?
Insights on the War
スピーカー 1
Well, it's an American novel, so if you're not used to it, it's hard to read.
I've read several American novels so far,
but the beginning is very fluffy.
It takes a long time to get into the story.
I can't grasp it at all.
I can't grasp what they're trying to say at all.
But I have the impression that there are quite a few overseas novels like that.
And I think there are about four main characters in this novel.
The point of view is changing.
The characters are changing, and each story is progressing at the same time.
It takes a long time to form an image in my head.
I'm reading 200 pages, so I'm reading while taking notes.
So I'm getting a sense of who this person is.
I don't understand the first 50 pages at all.
I'm reading more and more because I'm curious.
The content and the theme are the same.
スピーカー 2
You're interested in the Vietnam War, aren't you?
スピーカー 1
That's right.
This is probably the theme of my life.
スピーカー 2
The theme of your life?
スピーカー 1
The theme of my life.
スピーカー 2
Isn't that the theme of other wars?
What is it in particular?
スピーカー 1
The other wars are the Vietnam War and the Yugoslavia War.
スピーカー 2
Two big ones.
スピーカー 1
Two big themes.
スピーカー 3
Like a life work.
スピーカー 1
Research theme.
スピーカー 3
Research theme.
Either way, I know about the Vietnam War earlier, so this one is longer.
スピーカー 1
It's been a while, but I knew more about the Vietnam War when I was researching it.
It's been a while, so I don't remember much about it now.
I forgot about it.
Cultural Reflection
スピーカー 1
But I remember watching NHK's documentary about the history of the Vietnam War.
It was about the history of the United States and Vietnam at the same time.
It's been updated relatively recently, so there's information out there.
スピーカー 3
I thought there was a movie about the Vietnam War recently, but it wasn't recently.
It was called Pentagon Papers.
スピーカー 2
I saw it.
スピーカー 3
It was already in 2017.
Eight years ago.
スピーカー 2
Eight years ago.
スピーカー 1
I haven't seen it, but I think I saw it in the documentary.
スピーカー 2
Why didn't you see it?
スピーカー 1
Because it's not a stage play.
スピーカー 3
That's right.
スピーカー 1
The main theme is the nuclear war.
I wasn't really aware of it at the time.
スピーカー 2
I see.
スピーカー 1
I think it was released in Japan in 2018.
It was when I was going to the volunteer center.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
Wasn't it when we were playing?
スピーカー 1
I think that's about it.
スピーカー 2
Eight years.
スピーカー 1
Yes, that's about it.
スピーカー 2
I don't know if it was before or recently.
スピーカー 3
I don't know.
スピーカー 1
It's been eight years.
スピーカー 2
It's been eight years.
It's been eight years since we met.
スピーカー 1
I wonder how much you've moved in the meantime.
スピーカー 2
That's true.
スピーカー 1
We've moved a lot, too.
スピーカー 2
That's true.
スピーカー 3
Three times.
スピーカー 2
That's true.
Each of us.
I've been to Ghana once.
I've been to Ghana once.
That's a long time ago.
It was a long time ago.
Yes.
スピーカー 3
Yes.
スピーカー 2
I'm trying to work on the theme again because I'm calm now.
スピーカー 1
I don't know.
I'm curious about what kind of development there will be again.
This is a book now.
I heard you're shooting a show or something.
It's also translated into Japanese.
It's out there.
It was also in the bookstore.
Vietnam War Reflection
スピーカー 1
So I thought I'd read it.
It's like that.
I see.
It's amazing.
It's kind of like the Vietnam War.
There's a soldier in the main character.
There's a soldier.
There's a U.S. soldier.
South Vietnam was on the American side.
The Vietnamese in South Vietnam is also one of the main characters.
My friend is on the Vietcong side.
My cousin is on the Vietcong side.
They're in contact with each other.
They're talking to each other like, what are you going to do?
The people on the South Vietnamese side have wives.
I want to go to the U.S. as a refugee somehow.
After the war is over.
But my cousin on the north side is a friend.
This is the beginning.
There's a bomb thrown at an American colonel in South Vietnam.
There's a bomb thrown in the house.
I heard there was a lot of that in the Vietnam War.
I don't know who the enemy is.
I don't know how to throw a bomb.
The American soldiers were stressed out during the Vietnam War.
PTSD became very famous around that time.
That's the kind of scene that comes out.
I'm drawing a lot of Vietnamese chaos.
スピーカー 2
That's amazing.
スピーカー 1
It's been a while since I've read or seen something like this.
スピーカー 3
That's why my heart is at the end right now.
But I understand that feeling.
スピーカー 2
When you're reading a long book, that's the main thing, isn't it?
It's like, you're not coming back?
スピーカー 3
It's a good start.
スピーカー 1
I have a theme.
I didn't go to Vietnam at that time.
スピーカー 2
Does that mean you remember a lot of things?
Information you learned at that time.
At that time?
What I was interested in when I was researching.
スピーカー 1
When you're reading a book, you think of a scene, right?
It's a movie or a book you've read so far.
It's based on that image.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
スピーカー 1
If it's a movie, I think of Good Morning Vietnam.
It's like a full metal jacket.
There's a lot of UV rays.
It explodes in the city.
When I read a book based on that image, I get excited.
That's what I'm experiencing right now.
スピーカー 2
I see.
Let's watch the full metal jacket again.
スピーカー 1
Speaking of the drama, I mentioned the full metal jacket training scene.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
スピーカー 1
There's a street in the city of Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.
There's a bar.
I want to go there again.
スピーカー 2
I see.
The next destination is Vietnam.
I don't know.
But you've been saying it for a long time.
スピーカー 1
I want to go to Vietnam again for an overseas trip.
I wanted to go to a place I haven't been to before.
I've never been to the Middle East or the North.
But the South is the theme.
The city is the theme of the Vietnam War.
I thought it would be nice to go to the South again.
スピーカー 2
Again.
It may have changed since the last time I went.
スピーカー 1
It's been more than 10 years.
スピーカー 2
I think it's completely different.
Have you ever been there?
スピーカー 3
I've been there, too.
But when I think about it, it was about 20 years ago.
It was when I was a college student.
It's been almost 20 years.
スピーカー 1
I see.
It was a very popular time.
It was easy to go.
It was cheap.
I've been to a lot of places.
I've been there when I was a college student.
スピーカー 3
I see.
スピーカー 2
I've never been there at all.
It's among people who don't travel much.
I see.
You used to go to Sisam when you were young, right?
スピーカー 3
Yes, I loved it.
I bought a scarf from Ao Dai in Vietnam.
I've been using it quite a bit lately.
スピーカー 2
I see.
スピーカー 3
I bought a shawl for a wedding.
I've been using it.
I think I still have it.
スピーカー 2
Wow.
スピーカー 3
I don't have that kind of image.
I think there are more tourists like that.
スピーカー 2
I see.
It's like going around the city, isn't it?
In terms of hats.
スピーカー 1
Well, I don't know.
スピーカー 2
I think it's the city.
The city.
スピーカー 3
The city.
スピーカー 1
When I went there before, I went to the underground tunnel.
スピーカー 2
You actually used it?
Yes, yes, yes.
As a battlefield.
Oh, I see.
スピーカー 3
I wanted to see it.
スピーカー 1
It's called the mouth tunnel.
A lot of tourists from Western Europe go there, but not so many Japanese.
スピーカー 2
How do you feel when you go there?
スピーカー 1
Well, I don't know.
But I think there are the most tourists from Western Europe.
There are people from France.
スピーカー 2
Yes, yes, yes.
スピーカー 1
There are people from the U.S.
Some people went there because they were able to go there after the war.
スピーカー 2
Do you have a lot of things left?
スピーカー 1
There are tanks left.
There are broken tanks of the U.S. military.
There are also broken tanks.
It's like a museum.
There are dolls that look like soldiers at that time.
Dolls are made of real objects.
There are dolls that look like soldiers' hats and clothes.
It's like a base and a museum.
Some of them are open, but others are still used as military bases.
スピーカー 2
Oh, I see.
スピーカー 1
That kind of place is relatively famous.
Food and Personal Experiences
スピーカー 1
There is a place called the mouth tunnel.
スピーカー 2
Do you want to go there again?
スピーカー 1
No, I've already been there once, so it's okay.
There are a lot of places like that.
I probably won't go there with my family.
I think it's a place where only people who like it go.
スピーカー 2
The hat is at the end now.
That's right.
スピーカー 3
It looks delicious.
Vietnamese food is delicious.
スピーカー 2
I just ate it the other day.
スピーカー 1
I had a lunch box from a Vietnamese restaurant nearby.
スピーカー 2
I like bánh mì.
スピーカー 3
Bánh mì is delicious.
スピーカー 2
I ate a lot of French food, so I ate French bread.
Bread is delicious.
It was delicious.
That's what it was like.
Yes.
This is a behind-the-scenes story.
This time, it's the third one out of the three I've recorded before.
I read the story that the hat called me recently.
スピーカー 1
Is it okay if I don't talk about it?
I don't know.
It's not that I don't know, it's just that kind of book.
スピーカー 2
Was it worth reading?
That's right.
It was good.
スピーカー 1
If you're interested, please read it.
It's called Kemuri no Ki.
スピーカー 2
The hurdle is high.
If you're really interested...
スピーカー 1
It's about 600 pages long.
It's very thick.
スピーカー 2
It's about 3,500 yen.
That's what the story was about.
In the behind-the-scenes story, I got some letters.
I'd like to introduce them to you.
It's more like a comment than a letter.
It's not the usual letter form.
Insights on the Department of Science and Technology
スピーカー 2
It's my first time.
I got a comment on Spotify.
I got a comment on episode 244.
It was a comment saying, I want to know your name.
This is a story about me and a certain person who had a back injury.
It's a meeting where I said, you can go to the place where the people from the Department of Science and Technology are doing it.
スピーカー 1
You didn't say your name, did you?
スピーカー 2
I don't think I said my name specifically.
I only said that the people from the Department of Science and Technology are doing it.
スピーカー 1
You said you were all over the country.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
Is it okay if I say this?
It's okay.
What is the name of the Department of Science and Technology?
What kind of genre is that?
Are you going to be a masseuse?
スピーカー 1
It's like a place where they do the fascia release.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
スピーカー 1
That's the specialty.
スピーカー 2
There are other menus.
Are you focusing on fascia all over Japan?
スピーカー 1
Basically, yes.
I sing on the web page.
It's quite a wide range of knowledge.
スピーカー 2
It's very wide.
As long as it's not the same person, I thought it would be quite different where the people from the Department of Science and Technology spread their knowledge.
スピーカー 1
I think it depends on the person.
The fascia release is probably all over the country.
That's right.
I think the study groups are probably in the same organization.
Maybe the specialties are different.
スピーカー 2
I went there for the third time the other day.
I was told that it was really written in the paper I read this morning.
I think each person has their own consciousness.
I think they study in their own way.
I think it depends on who is in charge.
I think it's different and it's compatible.
スピーカー 1
Basically, I have the impression that there are a lot of men.
There is also Kawaramachi, which is also run by men.
It's run by men in their 30s.
There was also a person who was a trainer.
スピーカー 2
We are in charge of the test center in Kyoto.
スピーカー 1
Karasuma.
スピーカー 2
We are in charge of the test center in Karasuma.
That's the only information I know.
I think it's really good.
It's really good for studying.
They teach you in detail.
The structure of the muscles and what's going on here.
I can understand the fundamental problems.
スピーカー 1
I hope you can check it out at the science body.
スピーカー 2
The science of science is the science of science.
The body is BODY.
I think it comes out in both Katakana and Alphabet.
スピーカー 1
That's the kind of information.
You might think it's a little expensive.
スピーカー 2
It's not that different from going to a massage.
That's right.
There is a price for normal relaxation.
スピーカー 1
They teach you at the gym.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
They teach you the basic structure of the body in a Western medical way.
I don't know if you're listening to this.
I hope it will be helpful.
Morissi commented on the lesson.
Episode 249.
It's a lesson by Minnaiya Burui.
I'm glad I saw it recently.
Morissi said,
Both the bomb and DiCaprio's movie were funny.
My wife said,
It's annoying.
Is it about me?
I got a hat comment.
I got Morissi's usual comment.
Personally, I thought it was a good idea to say DiCaprio in the bomb and DiCaprio's movie.
スピーカー 1
Is that so?
スピーカー 2
Do you use it?
Is it called DiCaprio?
スピーカー 1
But this is typing.
It's a smartphone.
Isn't it when you shoot normally?
スピーカー 2
Is it like that when you talk?
I don't know.
But I really want to go.
Did I talk about the bomb?
I didn't talk about it, did I?
スピーカー 1
Didn't you talk about it?
It's like the original.
スピーカー 2
Did I talk about it in the last story?
スピーカー 1
Did I talk about it?
スピーカー 2
Did I talk about it? I forgot.
I finished reading both the bomb and the court election.
I really wanted to go see it.
I think I did talk about it.
スピーカー 1
I really want to go, but I don't have time.
You have a lot of time after the deadline.
スピーカー 2
That's right. As usual.
I want to go to both.
I want to go to DiCaprio, too.
スピーカー 1
It might be over by then.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
Like that.
Also, I have a little announcement.
It's kind of like a boasting.
スピーカー 1
Just a boasting?
台湾への旅とサイン会の発表
スピーカー 2
Can I boast that I'm going to have an autograph session with Aizoban in Taiwan?
スピーカー 1
Is that a boasting?
スピーカー 2
If you don't say that, no one will think anything.
It's a story that doesn't sell in Japan.
I don't know how relevant it is to the people listening to this.
スピーカー 1
If you want a collector's item, please go to Taiwan.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
Chairman Aizoban will be made by a publisher in Taiwan.
The details of this have not been announced yet.
Anyway, I'm going to be there.
Fujiwara Hiro is coming to the autograph session.
That's the announcement.
I'm going to be in Taiwan next year.
It's been a long time since I've been in Taiwan.
スピーカー 1
When will you be there?
スピーカー 2
Aizoban?
I'm going to have an autograph session with Aizoban.
スピーカー 1
So you're going to be there next year.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
It's going to be an autograph session on one of the big events, the Dōmansetsu.
It's a really large-scale anime and manga event.
It's really exciting and fun to go to the venue.
I've been there before.
I'm really excited about my trip to Taiwan.
イベントと食べ物の計画
スピーカー 1
It's a short trip.
スピーカー 2
Well, yeah.
スピーカー 1
I'm going to buy a cassette tape.
スピーカー 2
I'm going to be wearing a hat.
I'm really into Bungu right now.
I suddenly want to go to Bungu.
スピーカー 1
You can't go there all the time, can you?
スピーカー 2
I can't go there all the time.
But I've been told that I want to eat a lot of delicious food.
So I'm going to go to all the places you recommend.
I'm going to go to a place like Bukkof in Taiwan.
スピーカー 1
I think I'm going to a recycle shop.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
I've decided on it a while ago.
I've decided on it a while ago.
I've decided on it a while ago.
I can't go to Taipei.
I can't go to Taipei.
If you have any recommendations around Taipei,
If you have any recommendations around Taipei,
I think that's about it.
リスナーへのメッセージ
スピーカー 2
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Have a good week.
Thank you for listening until the end.
スピーカー 1
Thank you.
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