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Hello Masako. Hello Asami. Long time no see. Yeah, it's been a while I think.
Yeah, I mean we were both taking a break from podcasting because moving and other life logistics
that involves taking a backseat on podcast. Yeah. Okay, there we go. Whoops. Sorry, my microphone
adjustment is terrible now. Okay, it should be good now. So yeah, we were talking about things
to talk about and you say you have some updates on your new friends. Right, right. So well,
yeah, actually new and a very old friend. So I can talk about that. Yeah, yeah, catch us up,
remind us, remind us. So this is your new climbing friend, right? Right, well, it's actually my old
and new climbing friend. Okay. So it's, I kind of forgot, I'm not sure, did I tell you about
that friend? You know, I'm, so I, so that was a friend from when I was, when we were
a college student. Yeah, your vital friend, right? Yeah, vital friend. Yeah, one of them.
And he said he used, he's been doing bouldering and also he loves bouldering and he loves climbing
mountains. Oh, like outdoor bouldering. Yeah, bouldering is indoor, but mountains are like
普通の登山。 It's not like rock climbing. It's not like he's climbing the rock in the boulders.
No, no, it's just walking. Yeah, walking. Okay. No more walking, mountain climbing.
Well, you know, some people do that, right? Some people go to the mountains with their mattresses
to go and climb, which sounds absolutely bonkers to me and it's a lot of effort for.
Yeah, I'd love to try those, but I haven't done. Yeah. Anyway, so that's my friend. So he,
well, he, we've been climbing for a couple of times, maybe three times. Okay. Yeah, every other week.
At, in the evening after work, it's been going well. You know, one of the things that I like
about climbing with the friends is that we improve our skills rapidly when we climb with other
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friends. That's interesting. How come? I don't know. Maybe like having discussions about the
skills, like how to use our bodies. I think that those interactions kind of facilitates
in, you know, improvement in skills. I really, yeah. And then we challenged the same or different
walls and yeah, it's kind of encouraging. So that's good. Yeah, that's good. Sounds like a
great friend to have. Yeah. I, I thought that it was going well and then he said, well, I have this,
you know, he loves climbing mountains and he said he, he usually, you know, he sometimes
goes climbing for like three days, four days continuously. Oh, like camping? Yeah. It's like
a camp. Yeah. Camping climbing. That's hardcore hiking. Yeah. And then he said, well, you know,
I'm going to challenge this really serious mountain climbing and it will take like,
like a week or so. So I will be able to, I can't really hurt myself before mountain climbing.
So I will be able to come, you know, rock climbing for a while. And then that was the end of the
rock climbing. Oh no. You haven't gone back climbing since? No, not since then. So, oh no.
Yeah. I think he, he's, he's just, you know, he doesn't want to climb rocks anymore. He, because,
um, yeah, he, he, he doesn't want to climb fake rocks. No, no, no. It's just the mountains. He
loves mountains. So he went back to mountains. Actual real mountains. Yeah. So my guess is that
he realized that and he's not coming back. So sad. Well, you don't know that. Like maybe,
maybe once he's done with the mountain climbing, maybe he'll come back to
climbing fake rocks. But I guess after, after spending weeks up in the mountains,
climbing fake rocks is underwhelming at most, I guess.
Yeah. Well, anyway, that, that was my, you know, my second to last, um, friends as adults.
But then, um, so recently when we... Oh, there's a new one. Okay. Yeah. New one. New and old one
again. So, um, while you, we weren't doing this, uh, recording, um, I was, uh, back and forth
between Japan and UK. There was a conference in UK. Yes. And it was super fun. So I got in touch
with my elementary school friends. Um, yeah, that was my friend, uh, uh, from, um, you know,
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when I was living in, um, Kent in England. Yeah. So how old were you? I was like, uh,
eight, nine, 10 years old, I think. Okay. Yeah. Um, but, uh, we kept in touch, uh,
just exchanging Christmas cards and we will update what happened to our life. And so for this,
you know, 30, uh, 30 years or so. Um, yeah. So since, uh, since then we've never been able to
meet again, uh, but because of the conference, uh, we got in touch again and then I went to her home
and... Nice. Yeah. And then we went hiking together. Okay. So yeah, that was really,
it was really... Oh, it must be beautiful summer in Kent. Yeah, it was beautiful. So more than,
after more than 30 years, um, we, we got in touch. So she lived in Kent the whole time? Oh,
now she lives, uh, near, um, Oxford. So it's a different, yeah, place. Um, but she's been there
for, uh, more than 20 years, I think. Yeah. Wow. So that was, uh... So you, you had some hiking
experience? Yeah, it was, uh, it was, uh, hiking. Was it more like a trail walking? Yeah, trail
walking. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Not really serious. Not, not like hardcore climbing. Mountain
thing. I was going to suggest that, you know, did that inspire you to, uh, do hardcore climbing,
but, uh, maybe not. I mean, I'm also on your boat. Yeah. Like I, I enjoy nature. I enjoy,
um, hiking, like light hiking, but as soon as it involves me having to stay overnight in the
wilderness, you know, it's one thing to, I think, stay in like a Yamagoya type of facility, but
I, I don't trust myself with a tent in the wilderness, uh, on my own. I mean, even with an
experienced person, I think I'll be highly meh about it, so. Yeah. Yeah. But like, uh, a day
hike, I love it. I love day hiking. Me too, yeah. So maybe more of that, uh, will be easier to do
when the weather's cooler in Japan. Yeah, it's super hot. Is it any cooler? No, not really. Well,
it's cooler than when you, you know, when you were here. Oh, that was a hot day. It was really
hot. Yeah. Yeah. Like when I hear the recording from that day that we did together, we sound so
tired. We're like, so tired. Extremely tired. We like, we only walked like maybe 15 minutes outside,
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but we were so tired. Oh, it was terrible. Terrible days. Well, uh, anyway, but so,
I guess, you know, one friend lost, but you reconnected with another one. Yeah. Yeah. So,
you know, net zero, that's, that's, that's, that's, uh, that's, that's all right. That's
right. I mean, ideally, ideally you don't have to fly, I don't know what, 15 hours from Japan?
Yeah. 14, 15. Yeah, something like that, right? 14, 15 hours, uh, to meet your friend. Ideally,
you know, your friend isn't so carbon expensive, but, um, yeah, maybe, maybe you can work on,
uh, making new friends locally. I will, I will. So my plan is, uh, well, actually I,
I hurt my finger a little bit because when I was, um, um, doing stuff, so, um, I, I haven't been
able to climb for, I don't know, more than a month, maybe almost two months. So I want to go back to,
yeah, climbing. So actually, so losing, losing a friend and not being able to climb, that's kind
of followed. Um, well, anyway, my plan is, yeah, so my plan is going back to climbing
and then make new friends there. Yeah. I think now that, now that you've gotten into the regular
climbing habit, you are a Jordan sun and, um, you know, you just finding other Jordan sun and become
friends. Yeah. Yeah. That's my next step. I think next goal. Well, keep us posted. You know,
did you realize we've been, we've filmed or not filmed, I guess, recorded this topic,
friends as adults, I guess for four times now. So clearly this is a topic we're passionate about.
It's so hard. It's really difficult. Yeah. Well, stay tuned on Masako's adventure of making new
friends as adults. All right. That's it for the show today. Thanks for listening and find us
at Eigo de Science on Twitter. That is E I G O D E S C I E N C E. See you next time.
