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Hello.
Hello, guys.
ミーティングの意見対立
So, we talked about meetings, right?
Yes.
And, like, seriously, honestly, I want to know how to be good at meetings.
Like, honestly.
Okay.
Can I ask you some questions about being a good meeting player?
So, you know, for example, like, we do some meetings about, like, I guess, whatever, the contents, for example.
And then, sometimes, well, I don't have much strong opinion, first of all.
So, I just kind of, well, both are fine, kind of, as I understand.
But sometimes, like, you have your own kind of style.
And then, you have your opinion.
And, for example, let's say, I don't know, Forever, the company, maybe, or, like, any members, maybe, have, like, different opinion.
And it goes kind of, I don't say battle, but it goes, like, this one has this opinion, and this one has this opinion, and it's completely opposite.
Okay.
And sometimes it goes, like, both, like, don't agree with each other.
Yeah.
And then, finally, like, for example, like, this guy wins, I would say.
Sure.
And then, how do you process that?
Like, you've got your own opinion, but, like, that kind of didn't, like, sayo.
Okay.
And then, what's in your mind when that happens?
So, when that happens, so, you just dove right into, I guess, the core.
Okay.
Yeah, that's very, yeah.
Because, like, when we do some meetings, well, I'm not talking, like, specific guy, or, like, you know, I don't know.
But, in general, like, there are, like, some people who are very good at speaking, or, like, very good at, like,
Arguing?
Arguing, yeah.
Or, yeah.
You know, those things, like.
Debating?
Debating, yes, yes.
And every time, like, the Hiroyuki-san kind of type of guy.
Okay.
You know?
Yeah.
Like, how do you see that?
Like, you know.
Right.
So, if you can't win, you just have to not, you just, what I do is not put my happiness in that project.
Okay.
Like, I start looking for happiness elsewhere, or I start detaching myself from that.
意見の違いとメンタルヘルス
I just, I won't, like.
I see.
I adjust it so that whatever outcome it is, I'm working with that person, won't affect my happiness.
Oh, I see.
So, that makes it much more smoother.
That's good.
Yeah, because.
Right.
I've, yeah, what I learned is that you can't have two drivers in one car.
So, you just, one has to really let go.
Yeah.
One has to be the, you know, oil.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
To make it zero friction.
And you have to sort of sometimes understand the role, I guess.
Oh, that's nice.
Yeah.
And then, that's what I do.
Oh, that's good.
Yeah.
And it's not always a bad thing, right?
To be like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's better for, like, for a bigger thing.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
I see.
Kind of similar thing happened to me, like, very long time ago.
I decided, like, oh, like I, it's like, you know.
And then, I guess that kind of same thing to you, but I feel like you're very good at,
I would say, being like the oil.
Okay.
I want to know the, like, the balance.
Like, you're not completely outside and watch it, guy.
You're still kind of being, it's like the helping and just very good oil.
I guess, I guess the moment I transition into, like, well, this battle is not going to be,
this battle is going to turn into a war if one of us don't.
So, let's make, let's say that I make that switch to becoming the oil.
Then, I, what I do is I just, I use all my sources to think about what that person wants.
What that person would love to hear or, like, what that person would help.
Like, how I can help that guy.
That's how I transition.
That's very up to you.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
That's very mature way of thinking about it.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, that's, that, so, ultimately, that's better for your, like, mental health as well.
Yeah.
You don't want to continue doing that project thinking that, man, I really wanted to do this.
Yeah, yeah.
But, like, that, that builds up, right?
異なる意見の重要性
So, you'd want to release that, you know, itch somewhere else.
Yeah.
Right?
And then, do your best you can to help that guy.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, like, taking out and doing, like, differently.
That's something I very much understand.
Yeah.
But, still, you're doing this as very cooperative way and, like, helpful.
Like, using your brain, using your resource, everything.
It's very autonomous to me.
Oh, really?
So, yeah.
It's great.
Well, okay.
Yeah.
Does that help?
Yeah.
I don't know if that helps.
Yeah.
What also helped was I had a conversation with that person of, like, hey, we have two different
engines.
Yeah, we have two different engines.
We have two different arrows going in different directions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm going to make sure that I'll fulfill that arrow somewhere else.
So, you do you on this project, but do know that I wanted to take the control, but I'll
step down.
So, please do know that, but I'll be the oil.
Oh.
You had that conversation?
Yeah, I did have that conversation.
Oh.
It's like, that makes it easier for me as well.
True.
Be like, yeah.
So, that's important too, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
True.
Very true.
Yeah.
That's, I see.
Yeah.
I see you're a very brave guy.
But having that conversation is difficult.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even to you?
Yeah.
Like, you gotta, like, step it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You gotta try to muster up that energy, like, often.
Yeah.
To ultimately have a better relationship.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
That is very good, honestly.
Yeah.
I respect that, like, opening up those serious conversation, like, meetings and everything.
Yeah.
And that's not only for you, right?
For the team.
Yeah.
For the bigger goal.
For the whole project to work, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I see.
That's good.
But it's not something that, like, for you, after hearing that, I don't know if that's
意見の相違との向き合い方
gonna help, right?
For the, yeah, it wasn't like some, like, one tip, like, those things.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I see.
So, I guess it's just, you're just mature.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about that.
Ultimately, that's the better option for me.
Like, ultimately.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
Yeah.
I see.
Okay.
Different, maybe end this episode, but different question I have.
Yeah.
Should I do this?
Let's do it on the next episode.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Thanks for listening, guys.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
