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Welcome to Kevin's English Room Podcast.
Hello.
Several minutes ago, we were talking about AIs and stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
And there's this topic on the internet right now that's interesting.
Okay.
For me, I thought it was really interesting.
Yeah.
What about the copyright AI thing?
Yeah.
Have you ever heard of that?
Yeah.
The whole gist of this topic is like if an AI creates image at a thin air, right?
Like you type whatever items you want the AI to do or like whatever songs or like whatever
solutions you want outputted from the air.
The output the AI outputs is it came from somebody else's work.
Right.
Right.
So like, so does that, is that copyrighted?
Is that artwork?
I mean, that artwork comes from someone else's, right?
Like Picasso's work, right?
If you do a picture of a dog that looks like Picasso's work.
Picasso.
Picasso, that makes sense.
Yeah.
Picasso's work.
Then it's got the taste of Picasso, which is obviously, you know, that's...
Yeah, like cupism looking like...
Right?
Yeah.
That could be, you know, you could be violating the copyright.
So that, I mean, that question is really, I thought, that's a very interesting one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I read article that saying there are so many like lawsuits and like a...
Lawsuits?
Lawsuits, yeah.
And like the examples of like a Cybuns and still like in the middle of nowhere.
Oh, really?
So still not like...
Okay.
Yeah.
So they don't know which is like right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So as I went to stable diffusion, that was for like AI image like creating one.
Yeah.
It says like free.
First of all, it's free.
Right.
Without money.
And then rights free.
It says rights free.
Okay.
It's like they don't own the rights.
Okay.
I mean, we can use it freely.
So you can, like even for commercial purposes.
Yeah, yeah.
Usable.
Yeah.
But still you drag down and see that like under the page and they say it's like there
are so many lawsuits in this like this is a controversial and still not like guaranteed.
So please make sure that if you use like a commercial ways or like a...
Yeah.
Right, right.
Yeah.
That's true.
That's funny.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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Hmm.
What...
How has the music industry dealt with inspirations?
Okay.
Like, isn't that a similar concept?
True.
That's inspiration, right?
Like...
Yeah.
Yeah.
The newly created artwork.
Yeah, it's like we listen to Michael Jackson.
Yeah.
We learn Michael Jackson.
I mean, I learn and listen Michael Jackson repeatedly and kind of get the vibe in it.
Right.
And then I write a song which sounds a bit like Michael Jackson.
Right.
That's an inspiration.
That's right.
That's an inspiration.
And if you frame it badly, you can say that you stole from Michael Jackson, right?
Style.
And then you copied his style, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How has the music industry...
Like, how have they drawn a line of like, "This is okay and this is not"?
I mean, it's difficult to...
Okay.
It's difficult to...
I guess the line could be like if you respect the original or not.
As in like how...
What's the respect there?
Like, how would you show the respect?
I mean, it's difficult.
Okay.
Like for example, like do you know there are some sampling?
Have you ever heard of sampling?
I do.
Yeah.
I have heard a lot of...
So I love K-pop and K-pop uses sampling too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, yes, I've heard like a compilation of like, "This song came from this sampling."
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So basically like a kind of technique of hip-hop songs.
So when they...
Like, you know, there's some hip-hop producers, they kind of doing, you know, songs by himself.
So he can like own kind of orchestra or like a jazz band.
Okay.
So he has a record, like vinyl record and cut it into a piece like, "Doo-doo-doo."
And then you put it together and make song.
That's like a sampling.
And so yeah.
But sampling isn't like copyright violation.
Oh, it's not?
It depends on the case, but basically...
Basically, it's okay.
It's okay.
Because if you...
Yeah, it's difficult actually, but basically it's not copyright violation.
Oh, really?
But if you use it too long, you need some like a context or like you need a reason of using it.
Oh, really?
A reason.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
For example, like BTS, like what was the song?
"Butter"?
Okay.
They're saying like a LeBron's jersey.
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Oh, right.
Like a...
What is this?
"Butter"?
Yeah.
"Doo-doo-doo, LeBron."
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh.
Or like...
"Smooth like butter."
Yeah, okay.
Like a criminal's...
You know, that's obvious that they're inspired by Michael Jackson's song.
And the reason why is like a respectful like the American culture, like African-American
culture.
Okay.
They now kind of express it as an Asian group.
And we can see the context.
Okay.
The reason kind of why that was needed.
Like morally okay or not?
Yeah.
Like if it's reasonable as an expression as an art.
Okay.
I mean, okay, that makes sense.
So I'm getting the vibe of if it's morally okay or not.
Is that right?
Yeah, kind of.
Like morally acceptable or not?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because if you frame it as like it makes sense as a form of art, then I feel like anything
could be art.
Yeah, if you can explain it like properly.
Okay, okay.
For example, there are like, you know, lo-fi, chill, hip-hop.
Yeah.
Have you?
Yeah, I think I've listened to it before.
On YouTube or those.
Yeah, yeah, I think I have.
There's a new type of those.
There's like more like ambient sound, like vibey sound.
Like...
Oh, yeah, I think I know that.
Yeah, I think I know that.
And there are new like a group of using the same, for example, like Adele song.
Okay.
And make it way slower.
Okay.
Like, hello.
Okay.
Much slower and then release it.
As their own song.
Yeah.
Because that's an art.
Okay.
And for them, I'm assuming it makes sense.
Yeah.
Like it's morally okay.
Yeah.
And as an expression, it makes sense.
It's a new form of art.
Make it slow and express it as an art for them.
Okay.
But it's still controversial.
I don't know the result of them.
Those soos.
But...
I see.
Maybe that could be copyright violation.
But yeah, it's difficult.
So like, is it morally okay?
Or like the amount that you're using, the amount that you're pulling from the original track.
Yeah.
Is that too much or not?
Yeah.
That's...
I'm looking at it and like, those are like the two big factors.
Right, right, right, right.
Is that it?
Yeah.
So sampling is kind of a way of expressing your respect to the original song, the love.
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What if the sampling was so short to the point that no one would really notice the original song?
And like, wouldn't that be considered like you're not trying to show respect to the original artist?
Yeah.
It was just convenient.
Like it was just out there and you thought it was usable and you just used it.
Wouldn't that be considered like not showing respect?
If it's too short, because sampling is now too common for everybody.
So if it's too short and using it as like, for example, like drum kick, only one sound, sampling, that's okay.
That's just, yeah, this is sampling.
And that's okay.
Like, "Gah!"
Snail sound, like pick it from Michael Jackson's song and snail sound from Stevie Wonder and like, "Duh, duh, duh, duh."
That's okay.
So it's too common to the point where like you don't even need to show that respect.
It's what we do on the industry kind of vibe.
Yeah.
But if you use like a "Duh, duh, duh, duh" from Stevie Wonder, that kind of you need some like an explanation.
Like it's obvious that that's a Stevie Wonder's one.
So why did you use that?
Because I, you know.
Well, okay, how about this?
Like, I'm trying to think of an iconic, like a vocal line, for example, like, I don't know what's out there.
Bruno Mars, like, "Duh, duh, duh, oh!"
Uptown funk, right?
You know that part where he goes, "Ohh!"
That line.
If you take that line, completely change the pitch.
Completely change the tempo.
And then frequently use it in a song.
I see that a lot in K-pop at least.
Is that copyright problem?
Problematic?
So basically that's okay.
It's fun.
Oh, I see.
That's the way of, you know, enjoying music and creating new things.
Morally okay.
Yeah, it's morally okay.
But if Bruno Mars says, "Oh, please stop it.
That's my voice, my song.
I'm going to sue you."
And then situation would be different.
It would be like difficult.
So it depends on the original owner as well then.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But basically, okay.
Because Bruno does it too.
Like, figuring out all that Michael Jackson then.
Not sampling, but yeah.
Wait, is it?
Let's say that you, so that slow sci-fi music?
Yeah, lo-fi.
Lo-fi music?
What's that like, ambient?
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I don't know how should I call those, but.
But the slow Adele song, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
For example.
If Adele didn't say anything about it,
would there be no trouble at all?
Or would some sort of third party kind of,
I don't know what Institute would say something about it?
So there are this company or like organization
who control all the copyrights.
Like Jazz Rack?
Yeah, Jazz Rack.
So actually it's not Adele herself saying things like that.
Well, she can say of course, but basically that's like a company,
like organization claims that, wait, this is copyright violation.
So I need a fee.
Or like stop releasing this song.
All those.
Oh, so it's not about what Adele has to say.
It's more on what the Jazz Racks got to say?
Yeah.
Well, that's kind of twisted.
Yeah, about those copyright things.
Basically, because that's like the gatekeeper of those copyright.
When you release a new song, you need to go Jazz Rack
and pass through the Jazz Rack.
Okay.
So the first gatekeeper would be like Jazz Rack,
those organizations.
And then second is like a original.
Wow.
They come second?
Yeah.
That's a surprise.
Yeah.
Because for example, like a few years ago,
like there were Utada Hikaru songs used in a music lesson school.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't remember which song was that, but for example,
like First Love used as like a music school.
Right.
And it's being used commercially.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So like that, so Jazz Rack says like claims to the school
that this is a copyright violation.
You need permission to use it as a commercial way.
And that's what Jazz Rack says.
And then school needed to like pay a fee for using that song.
Utada Hikaru herself says that, no, I don't need it.
Please use freely.
Oh.
So school for, you know, learning new music.
Right.
For the future children.
Right.
Please use it freely, but it's just like who claim it.
Wow.
That feels really controversial.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Does the money go to Utada Hikaru?
I don't know.
Or just Jazz Rack?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Well, at least some amount to Utada Hikaru, but you know.
No one knows the ratio and stuff like that.
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At least that doesn't, that's not something how she wanted to.
Wow.
Jazz Rack seems kind of like the bully here.
I mean, I don't know.
There's got to be a lot of situations where Jazz Rack is beneficial for everybody.
But in that scenario, it just feels like Utada Hikaru's opinion should have been more weighted.
Right.
Interesting.
Yeah, interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Difficult.
Thanks for listening guys.
I love to do this.
I just love to just comment on an episode.
It's 15 minutes.
Yeah, of course.
We got to stop this episode.
Yeah.
It's like, it was interesting though, really.
Yeah.
All right.
Thanks for listening guys.
I love it.
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