00:00
Welcome to Devon's English Room Podcast!
Yes.
I'm still having trouble with the remote.
It turns off sometimes.
Yeah.
I don't know how...
Is that... you have to make it...
Like you have to have it like...
Be connected?
No. It's just charging.
Ah, okay.
Because I never charge this.
Ever.
So it's the first time.
Yeah.
It's using me.
Okay.
So...
Got a message from Gacha-san today.
Gacha-san!
All right.
Thank you, Gacha-san.
Thank you.
Hello, my name is Gacha.
Hello.
I always enjoy listening to your lectures.
Thank you.
Thank you for reading the message I sent you last time.
I thought I had sent the wrong message, but I was actually reading it and I wasn't wrong.
And I was glad and relieved that you read it.
Thank you.
Well, last time I told you that I studied soccer in the US, but now I'm playing soccer in Australia.
Wow.
Cool.
I suddenly thought of something there, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
Okay.
It's about the difference between pros and amateurs.
I think the general definition is whether you're getting paid or not.
When I was playing soccer in the US, I didn't pay a single cent for school, living, transportation, food, uniforms, etc.
In my case, I got all of it for elementary school fees.
I didn't even have to choose a uniform, and when I put a dirty uniform on after a game, it was put in my locker in my locker room until the next game.
This is a story about college soccer, and the response is the same for all players.
Okay.
And now I'm playing soccer with money.
But the current situation is that the income from soccer is a little tough.
These two situations are different, but I feel that I'm not changing much.
On the contrary, in the United States, I feel that it's okay to say that the treatment of the professional is not only for college students.
So, what I thought again is what is professional.
As I said earlier, is it only professional to get paid?
Also, I'm playing soccer with money right now, so I'm wondering if I should call myself a professional soccer player or not.
What do you think of professional? Please answer me if you like.
I look forward to your delivery in foreign countries, and I will enjoy every day with all my might.
It seems that Japan is getting warmer, but the corona situation is not yet in a good state, so please be careful about your health from now on.
03:03
Gotcha. Thank you. Gotcha-san.
Wow. Great point. Interesting topic.
That's an interesting topic.
Well, first of all, I love what he does.
He loves football, goes to the United States to learn, and now being a kind of professional in Australia.
So cool. Yeah, he's really like "kodoryoku". Yeah, really respectful.
Okay. What are your first thoughts?
Okay.
Huh, professional.
True, first... I mean, not first, but one is if you get paid or not.
Yes. That's... well, that's one. One fact.
Yes.
And two, to me, this is bigger, but the, you know, the quality or like the attitude is enough or not.
Those two points. Yeah.
How about like, if that's your main activity of life?
Okay. Hmm.
Yeah, that's one point too.
But you know, to me, like if you like get paid like millions of dollars, but you know, attitude is not like professional,
skill is really low, then that's not professional to me.
Yeah. So to me, what's more important is skills or like attitude or like mind.
Yeah. Right.
What do you think about?
It is a little blurry there.
Yeah, actually, yeah. Like, see, we are professional podcasters or not.
That's a really good point.
Yeah.
Because like, day one when we started this podcast, definitely we would not call ourselves a professional podcasters, right?
No.
Right? But where are we now, right?
We haven't been changed at all since that day actually.
06:03
Right. But if you look at money, right?
Yeah.
We did have a contract with Spotify and Amazon, right?
Yes.
But I feel like that's it.
Yeah.
Right?
True.
We've continued this program with the same mindset.
Yeah.
Right? With the same like, yeah, concept, right?
Yeah.
So, that's really difficult.
Yeah, that's difficult.
But to me, talk about the podcast, you are, you know, every, well, not every day, but every, after recording day, you upload everything, you edit everything.
And, you know, you put title on it.
That's a kind of professional act to keep it like, always contents, you know, up in public.
Right.
That's what you, you know, really taking care about.
It's a work that is めんどくさい but you have to do because you want to keep the podcast running, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
True.
That's a professional attitude to me.
Like, you know, what we do in this show, it's just me and you chatting, not professionally.
It's true though.
Yeah, like it's a friendly conversation.
Yeah.
It's not business.
But, you know, what you do after all this, you know, uploading and, you know, buying this equipments and everything is, you know, because of you are, you know...
Acting professionally.
Yeah.
That's true.
True.
But are we a professional podcaster?
I'm not sure.
Like, that's really a good question.
A good point that I've never... Are we a professional YouTuber?
Yeah.
Are we a professional...
Do you think you are a professional YouTuber?
I don't know.
Don't know?
It's the same situation with the podcast.
Yeah.
Like, from my perspective, you are a professional podcaster and TikToker and YouTuber at the same time.
Because you think about those content and you always take care if it's, you know, goes smoothly, delivered, you know, promptly, you know.
Yeah.
Even though what we actually do on the recording is not that, you know, like, you know...
09:08
Strict.
Yeah.
It's really light and friendly but...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Would you consider yourself a professional musician?
I would love... Well, I want to say so proudly.
Yeah.
But not yet because my skill is not yet, you know, high enough.
So they're very subjective.
Yeah.
You're the judge.
Yeah.
I'm the judge about me, you know, if I can say I'm a professional musician or not.
Well, because I'm not a professional musician because I'm not making that much amount of money, just really tiny amount.
Yeah.
And also my skill and knowledge is not high enough.
Mm-hmm.
So, no, I cannot say it so.
But I want to say that I'm a professional musician.
Yeah.
Soon.
So...
I mean, determining whether someone's a pro or not is very...
I thought like what just came to my mind was like should it be subjective or should it be from a third person?
Like can that person decide if he himself, she herself is a professional or not?
Yeah.
Or do someone have to like certify it?
Does someone have to like say, "Okay, approve the profession"?
Mm-hmm.
I don't think there's an answer for that, right?
Yeah.
But from, you know, other's perspective, if you make enough money for living by that activity or not is one huge measure.
True.
Because you cannot see, you know, what is going on inside.
Right, right, right.
That's one helpful...
Determiner.
Yeah.
Right?
What if it's...
I feel like there's a lot of like middle spots that are really vague and fuzzy and...
Like if...
What about if you are called like, "Okay, today we've got a guest who is professional YouTuber, Mr. Kevin.
Do you feel anything weird or just...
Yeah.
Hi."
Um...
I would not call myself that if I were to think of my title.
Yeah.
But I would understand the thought process of the shikaisha introducing me as a professional YouTuber.
Yeah.
That I understand because...
You understand how other people see you.
Right, right, right.
Um... So...
12:03
It doesn't feel uncomfortable.
But it's not very natural, I guess.
It's not so...
I wouldn't say it.
I would not initiate saying that.
By yourself.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I would feel wrong.
Yeah.
If I would be introduced as a professional YouTuber.
No.
No, no, no.
I'm not.
No, no, no.
Like see, Kake-chan is a professional YouTuber, no?
Mm-hmm.
He...
Right, because he's doing a lot of the off-record works.
Yeah.
Right, he's doing a lot of the logistics, editing.
Editing.
Uploading.
He's got an editing team and he...
Right.
You know, kind of director and...
It's true, it's true.
So he, like from me, a professional YouTuber.
And also like you too, from me, but...
Yeah.
It's...
It's easy to understand, right?
For Kake-chan or like...
Yeah.
If you're doing all this...
True.
Behind the scene works.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But for me, like, and from our conversation, I feel like...
What was his name? I forgot.
It was...
Gacha-san?
Gacha-san, right.
Gacha-san.
You can call yourself as a professional from the daigaku stage, right?
From the daigaku stage?
Yeah.
Okay.
Where like he wasn't making money, but he...
But there were people that were supporting him, right?
With all the laundry and stuff.
True.
And his mentality was like trying to go higher...
Yeah, yeah.
...within the field.
So I guess that's a professional, I would say.
Yeah.
Right?
He's there for soccer, I'm assuming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And if so, even more, I would say that's a professional.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
True.
Yeah.
Ah, that's a good topic.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very interesting one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
The vagueness.
Vagueness of the word professional.
Mm-hmm.
There's one word that I wanted to use that I learned recently, but I...
Okay.
Hold on.
Ambiguous.
Yes.
What's that?
Ambiguous.
What's that mean?
Ambiguous is aimai.
Oh, okay.
Right.
It's not so difficult.
Okay.
But...
And it's a very common word.
Okay.
But I did not know.
Okay.
Ambiguous.
Okay.
Ambiguous.
Yeah.
Okay.
15:00
The ambiguousness of the word professional.
Okay.
Ambiguous.
Yeah.
I'm satisfied now.
All right.
Okay.
Thanks for listening, guys.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Bye.
