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Welcome to Kevin's English Room Podcast.
I have to do a shout-out on this one.
On Amazon Music, we are doing a show called Kevin's English Room Podcast Plus.
It's a 5-minute spin-off version of this show.
We are?
It is.
We are?
No, it's a...
It's a...
No, we're doing...
No, no.
We're doing...
We're doing the podcast show.
Yeah, and it's a 5-minute spin-off version of the show, right?
So it is.
What if I want to say, we're doing a podcast show.
We are?
We're doing a podcast...
Yeah, we're doing a show called Kevin's English Room Podcast.
We are.
Not we do.
No, it's we are.
We are.
No, we are, didn't we?
We are.
We are.
Sorry.
Yeah, go ahead.
And it's a 5-minute spin-off version of the show, where we answer English questions we get from our listeners.
We are.
Yes.
Yes, we are.
And, for example, we had a really good question.
We do.
We did.
We did.
Because it's how we had, right?
Yeah.
And...
This is a tricky one.
This is a tricky one.
One of the questions was, what's the difference between she didn't do anything versus she did nothing?
Yeah.
Both Nanyue and I were like, what's the nuance difference?
That's a great question.
I like that question.
So, and it's free.
All you have to do is download Amazon Music and search for our show, Kevin's English Room Podcast Plus.
I don't know why you just gave up on the whole thing.
I mean, it's not very difficult.
Oh, I see.
Got it.
Yeah.
So, all you have to do is download the app and just search for the show, and you're good to go.
You don't have to pay for anything.
You're right.
You can start enjoying it.
Yes.
So, there you go.
You do.
You do.
You start enjoying it.
You will.
You, ah, then you will.
Yeah, you will.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
That was difficult.
That was difficult.
Yeah.
友情の重要性
One of the topics that I talked about with a friend of mine was friendship.
Oh, you talked about that with your friend?
I was talking about friendship with my friend.
Okay.
Right?
And, well, the conversation went, so I'm always finding new ways to be happier in life.
Yeah.
Right?
I'm always looking, that's the whole theme of my life, you know, be happier.
You know, how can I be better?
How can I be happier?
Yeah.
How can I have less stress?
How can I have a better life without regret?
Right?
I think more and more as I age, I'm feeling like friends are valuable.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
At the end of the day, at the end of life, you know, whether if you have that friend who
you can talk to, who you can have fun with, who you can go on a guy's vacation, you know,
in your 80s or 60s or 70s.
I think it's one of the very important part of, like, feeling happiness or, you know, feeling
connected, you know?
Yeah.
That's important.
So, I was talking about with that friend.
That person agreed as well.
He was like, hey, I'm also at a stage where, like, I should start investing more in friendship.
Okay.
You know, like, I should start, you know, putting more money, like, actively into experiencing
great shit with friends.
Yeah.
And I agree.
That's so great.
That's so great.
Right.
友情の深め方
And one of the questions that we ran into that we couldn't answer was how do we deepen
relationships?
How do we deepen friendships?
So, we know that if you have a lover, if you have a partner, we know how to deepen the
relationship, you know?
Like, you know, by being there with being, you know, physically involved in that person,
talking about all that shit, you know, being physically together.
That's a lot of ways.
Like, we know a lot of ways of, you know, deepening the relationship.
But how do we actively deepen a relationship with a friend?
Same sex.
For me, guy friends.
How can I deepen?
How do I actively deepen a friendship is a question that I ran into and did not get a
友情を深めるための経験
great answer to.
Oh, and you guys talked about that?
Yeah.
Well, we didn't find any answer.
I mean, didn't that deepen the friendship, no?
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
So, at the end of the conversation, we were like, hey, let's be 80 and still be friends.
Oh, that's great.
We shook hands and left.
Oh, my.
That's so nice.
Great, right?
Yeah.
Great, great moment.
Great moment.
Great moment.
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, huh.
So, first of all, I agree with that.
That this friendship is very important.
Yeah.
Yeah, but come to think about that.
Yeah.
What were the things that you...
So, okay, some of the ideas was going on vacation.
Going on vacation, okay.
Okay.
But that's it, though.
Or like going on drinks.
Yeah.
You know, that's it, though.
Have drinks, have dinner, go on a vacation.
Yeah.
And some of the...
It wasn't for us.
We didn't really...
We thought that we probably wouldn't enjoy it.
But on the internet, we searched on the internet as well.
Like at that moment.
It was like kabakuras.
Or like going to huzoku with guys.
Those were some of like the activities that guys can do to have fun.
I mean, okay.
Clubs.
Yeah.
Hit on girls.
I see.
Those things.
I see.
Yeah.
Wow.
So, my impression after those ideas.
Yeah.
I kind of agree with that experiencing one thing together makes your friendship deeper.
Yeah.
Including maybe the kabakura, huzoku, or like anything.
Just go on a vacation.
Vacation, drinking.
Yeah, yeah.
So, that's one.
That's true.
I agree with that.
Yeah.
コミュニケーションの重要性
But to me, more important is just talking itself, no?
Like communicating?
Yeah.
Like how you were.
Yeah, I mean...
Like how your days were.
Right, right, right.
How you're feeling.
Right.
What happened the other day.
Yeah, yeah.
All that stuff.
Yeah.
And especially like your...
Like the biggest worry.
Oh, okay.
In your life.
I see.
Or your...
What?
Like your secret.
Something like being vulnerable.
Vulnerable?
Like vulnerable.
Like yowami.
Yeah.
Like being vulnerable.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Talk about those things.
Like not...
If you just talk about like a...
Like a...
What else?
Like what's your favorite TV show?
What did you watch last night?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those talks, of course, that makes your friendship a little bit deeper.
But still, it's very...
Yeah, very...
Like you can say that to anybody.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if the like friendship gets deeper and deeper, then like at a certain stage, like
I feel like I start talking about those like maybe the family thing, maybe your lover,
your job, dream.
Those topics, right?
Yeah.
That makes friendship talk deeper.
I see.
The thing is, I don't have that much of a hurdle to talk about my weaknesses with people.
Even if it's like a first time...
Yeah, even if it's like a first time drinking, I probably wouldn't have that much like...
Tickle of like me talking about my weaknesses.
Oh, okay.
So I understand where you're coming from.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
What about like...
Maybe it's because I'm not relying on that person so much.
Like I can talk to that person about it, but like I'm not actually looking...
I'm not actually taking in the advice coming from that person.
Which is the same thing as not being vulnerable.
True.
To me, like revealing some of those like vulnerable things itself is a very kind of deep thing for me.
I'm not the type of guy like you, like first meet and then I'm not able to like say those things.
So, yeah.
Like are you comfortable of saying, talking about like anything?
Okay, not anything.
Not anything.
Yeah.
Like those topics...
Those things that you can't say is what you're talking about.
友情を深めるためのコミュニケーション
Yeah.
You know, for example, like obviously you can talk about on this show, like public show.
Yeah.
Or like just casually the party you can talk about.
Yeah.
Do you have some topics like that?
Well, so your question is do I have any nayamis that I can't say in public?
Yeah, I mean, not necessarily like nayamis.
Maybe you already like processed it, but...
Like topics.
Yeah, like that.
In general.
I mean, not comfortable.
Like that feels...
That makes you like kind of feel, yeah, uncomfortable.
Vulnerable?
Yeah, vulnerable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sure I do.
I think I do.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Sure, I do.
Yeah.
So to me, if I could share those topics with somebody and doesn't have to be like solved
or got a solution or something, but the moment like I feel like, oh, I could share that thing
with somebody to me like feels like friendship deepened a little bit.
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah.
If you compare to like just going to like Kyabakura together or like going to just, you know...
Right.
It's not...
Those things are not like important.
If you go to Kyabakura together and then after that you talk...
About some deep shit.
Those deep shit.
Yeah.
That's what makes...
That's what matters.
Yeah, friendship deeper.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, like ultimately to me just talking time.
Talking time.
Communication.
Deep communication.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's what I feel.
That's what you feel like intuitively.
Yeah, yeah.
So like going to vacation, that's true.
Yeah.
But what's more important to me is just what you talk about with that guy.
Yeah.
So it doesn't have to be like go Hawaii and five-star hotel or something,
but you just maybe just go to Kanagawa.
Yeah.
Chiba and just stay...
Spending time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Makes sense.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
And that just doesn't...
To me that's the same for like male, female.
Feels like it's that only one way we can do to me, but...
Being vulnerable.
Being vulnerable.
Yeah.
I'd still fully maybe get...
I'm still not fully get the word vulnerable,
so I'm not sure if that's the best word, but yeah, being vulnerable.
Showing your weakness.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like being...
Showing the uncomfortable side of you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like being afraid how they would think about you after you tell them that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those things.
Right, right, those, those, yeah.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I mean, I agree.
Yeah.
But I don't know if that's the only way.
Like I would like to find another way if it's possible.
I see, I see.
Like that's kind of like...
Well, I wouldn't say negative, but like it's not...
Like if it was a more of a brighter, positive...
That comes from a negative energy though, right?
It's very positive.
It's release you when you do that conversation, so...
Like it's...
Yeah, okay, I get it, I get it.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's not something like very active or like very, you know...
I understand.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If the act of doing that...
If what matters in the act of you doing that is the fact that you're doing something that you don't usually do...
If that's what matters in the action of you talking about your vulnerabilities deepens a relationship...
Are you following me here?
Yeah, I'm following you.
So your claim is that deepening a relationship can be done by being vulnerable.
Yeah.
And if you break that down and if you cut out all the excess fat and just look at what the core is...
And if the core is like being able to do something that you can't do with other people normally...
If that's the case, then I'm feeling like there should be other ways of having that core but like, you know, coding it with a different something.
友情を深めるための活動
And...
You know what I'm talking about?
Yeah.
If there's other options, I would like to know.
This is, you know, my first thought.
I see.
Yeah.
Yeah.
True.
Well, I guess for me, at least, like those activity things...
Like, for example, I play football with people.
Yeah.
And like a shared same anger against the opponent.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And fight against as a team.
And I remember that made me... made us friendship very strong.
That's true.
Yeah.
Like, for example, Bukatsu.
Yeah.
Or when I went to France.
Even though I couldn't speak French fluently, but we became very good friends.
Yeah.
So like doing those like kind of sports or whatever, activities together...
Yeah.
Makes very strong bond.
True.
Going through emotions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sharing the emotions.
Right.
With you in action.
Yeah.
That's one thing.
Yeah.
That's true.
Sometimes that's more direct to the deepest part of your mind, maybe.
True.
That's an approach.
Yeah.
That's one new approach I can think of.
Could be.
Yeah.
Going through a struggle with that person.
Yeah.
You know.
The Kohai from... that bought our chocolates.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
I did a demise with him at our school's...
Oh, I remember that.
Yeah.
I think that really deepened the relationship.
We have this like trust in each other that I don't have with anybody else.
Yeah.
That's kind of special.
True, true, true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Having struggle with somebody's...
Yeah.
Something different from just your...
Right.
Just having fun together.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah.
Right.
I also wanted to, on the next episode, want to talk to you about this thing that I saw.
On the next episode, I'll talk about that.
All right.
All right.
All right.
So thanks for listening, guys.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.