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What's up, amazing people! This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.
In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan Japanese and English.
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South Korea may have clinched its first gold medal at Beijing 2022 last week,
but the success came amid tensions with China over alleged cultural appropriation and biased judgments during the Winter Olympics.
In recent years, relations between the two countries have been tense both politically and culturally,
and this year's game have caused further flashpoints.
During the opening ceremony, a woman on stage appeared to be wearing the traditional Korean hanbok dress.
South Koreans have long been irate about deeming China to be passing off South Korea's culture as its own.
On the following day, South Korea's ruling Democratic Party released a statement criticizing China and demanding it stop stealing its culture.
South Korean people also expressed their outrage online.
I'm mad that they introduced the person wearing hanbok on the International Olympic stage as a Chinese person.
I'm mad that they are introducing Korean culture as Chinese to the world," wrote on Twitter.
The Chinese embassy in Seoul said on Wednesday that China is composed of 56 ethnic groups
and it is not only their wish but also their right to wear ethnic clothes during the games.
As a member of the group representing South Korea, a woman in a Korean ethnic costume appeared with a Chinese flag.
In China, the majority of Koreans live in the Korean Peninsula, and there is a deep cultural connection between the two.
However, on the Korean Internet, criticism exploded.
In addition to the doctor, Yoon So-gyeol, a candidate for the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare,
also criticized China, saying that it was rude, and urged the Korean government to apologize to the same country.
However, the Korean Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare, which participated in the opening ceremony,
said that it had no plans to officially protest against China.
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It's like cultural appropriation of Harajuku.
but she said it's appreciation it's really big what's really appropriation or appreciation
probably like as okinawan or japanese we don't really talk about someone stole our identity or
culture it's not really a controversial topic yeah if we're in japan
like america or other cultures or other nationalities
I feel like that's where it's easy to get into trouble
minorities or majorities
it's like
it's our culture
it's our culture
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it's not yours
it's not yours
criticizing
yeah
we have examples
kim kardashian
reminds me of kim kardashian
because she's famous
business woman
kim kardashian
kim kardashian
kim kardashian
kim kardashian
kim kardashian
she likes
she's like a serious business woman
kim kardashian
kim kardashian
i want to use her name like she's so iconic
yeah at some point so
all their family use their name
right on their products
it came from their mom
their whole family
it's really
it's so natural for them to use their identity
as a product itself
they grew up
they grew up
filming
yeah
i really love
keeping up with kardashians
it's funny
when i heard about kimono things
by kim kardashian
i was really kind of happy about it
she used japanese thing as her products
means she likes japan
so you didn't feel offended?
yeah
i mean it's the same
when this news came out
kim kardashian's kimono
she represents not japanese culture
it's kim's kimono
as a japanese i understand
kim kardashian can't produce any actual kimono product
so i don't get offended
because she's kim kardashian
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what she does is what she does
it can be kimono
if i grew up in kyoto
if i do some kimono business
in mainland japan
i probably feel like she imitates our products
using our brand name
so i respect her
for those people
who doesn't know kimono
before kim kardashian's product
they start imagining kimono
as a different clothes
than it's supposed to be
and she didn't do shouhyou tooruku
at the end
yeah
i'm writing this letter to
kim kardashian west
amazing
i'm writing this letter to
convey our thoughts of kimono
and ask you to reconsider your decision
using name kimono in your trademark
kimono is a traditional ethnic dress
fostered in our rich nature and history
with our predecessors
tireless and divorced
kimono has been cherished
and passed down with care in our living
also it is a fruit of craftsmanship
and truly symbolize sense of beauty
spirits and values of japanese
kim's kimono is in alphabet
i think japanese character kimono
we can't do shouhyou tooruku
with kimono
and also
think about it
shouhyou tooruku
kimono has a lot of clothing
but kimono means
clothes
for example
as a japanese
it's more
specific
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i'm not gonna
permit
you have to understand
the culture deeply
what would you think
if kim kardashian started
their own brand
still positive
because we like her
i think okinawans can be angry
it depends on the person
from a craftsman
it's fake
but
we talk about some mainland people
in okinawan drama
as okinawan local people
it's not
it feels weird
in japanese tv show
there's a lot of people speaking
i don't know what they think
but it's normal
i don't know if it's because i'm okinawan
but i think it's impossible
for mainland people to act like okinawans
that's not correct
what the fuck
it's an exaggeration
but
it's a minority culture
okinawa is considered as a minority
all the time
we are a minority
that's why
over sensitive
reacted to someone
who tried to act like okinawans
and also if it's broadcast
to the world
as okinawan people
we want to say they are not okinawans
so don't trust them
when i see okinawan soba restaurant in tokyo
and it tastes different
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that's why
there are soba restaurants made by non-okinawans
it's a cultural difference
that's what i think
it's fusion okinawan soba
it's fusion
but the food is easy to transform
but it's easy to understand
it's very close to discrimination
sometimes
maybe it's discriminating
between mainland people and okinawan people
maybe
a lot of cultural appropriation issues
mainly all the time
and i always feel like
it's so whatever to me
but i can't relate to this feeling
so i can understand a bit
while we are talking about okinawan
against mainland culture
i understand
i understand
but i don't care
about the audience
some people say thank you
like Akane said
the people in the zoom
they are not okinawans
but there are other people
who are totally okinawans
thank you so much no he told me Lucy so that how can I take on this I guess so
offended someone outside of Okinawa represent or using our culture to make
it their sales like it really depends on people's perception persuade persuasive
persuasive yeah I don't know good oh cool enough
no honey so so thank you no boom kind of toy topic do you don't I didn't I you
know oak buffy not some what a lot but comedy and it was table a coaster got
some kind of a black sento do you cook gin no money no a go how nice coto de
sugoi he hung up eat a do you know I think it's good any update they put a
store a jacket America Jim mm-hmm none of you who's in America
they so that's it what's good up to come on so you gotta double so no not ready
I'm a black no he touchy got us a go now do not talk you know what's that I get
off so they don't have no CEO me not that I can't be must I mean then my ass
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her but but she's a gentle so does it matter does it does not matter to black
people to think about she's Asian not white 19 that'll like being Asian is
being minority minority mm-hmm the cattle I think for especially for black
people has a way different deep history mm-hmm like discrimination history and
slave cultures slave history and like like a black slaves matter so that you
know because the history the black people are very sensitive about using
someone using their culture their culture business yeah even though they
have some kind of respect maybe in her case she used that thing as a cultural
a free appreciation the other kiddo for black people they they feel like it's
too much
America
American
Asian
is
so shallow
invisible
America
Asian hate
especially get worse
after the pandemic
nobody cares about Asians
I feel
I feel
yeah
so
I don't know
for example
a lot of American films
describe
Asian or Japanese
culture or
the whole thing in Japan
it's
total fake
I don't think so
I don't think so
nobody is like that
I don't think so
it's not like Asian
but
they are making fun of it
I know
in Tokyo
they all wear Japanese clothes
with a sword
it's like 2001
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you know
but
it's like
a village in Japan
it's not an American village
someone outside of
that culture they want to represent
when they
when it comes to
they want to represent the culture
it cannot be 100%
accurate anyways
even though they try
Hawaii
Hawaii
what is it?
I don't know
but I feel it because
I am in a store in Hawaii
Japanese people really love
Hawaii
and Hawaii made like coconut something
or pancake something
but when I went to Hawaii
Hawaiian people really don't eat
coconut things and pancakes
everyday
it's like
it's not fake
it's a business
but Japanese people think
it's all Hawaii things
so
it's not Hawaiian
it's Hawaii
Japanese Hawaiian
like that
so
maybe local people feel offended
or it's cultural
appropriation
it's not accurate
but
this whole
articles
or the controversy
on Twitter
to me
it can
seem as their marketing
too
like
what happened when
Kim Kardashian does the kimono thing
the Kyoto
association
they could be more famous
by accusing Kim Kardashian more
if they doing a better marketing
it's not only accusing
it can be always
a better marketing
it's like a beef
between rappers
they pretend like they are fighting
and then people start talking about it
and people start repost
retweet
they say the shit about their fights
or their relationship
it's going viral
it's a whole marketing plan
it's a beef
if someone doesn't know
beef
it's kind of good business
strategy
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I didn't know about
details about African
culture between
Indonesian culture
striped
tote bag
it's Mexican
it's Mexican
design
traditional
clothing
as their products
original products
and Mexican people said it's not yours
so
it's also
Mexican culture
so
it's really
relate to the history
background
originally
it's from Indonesian
batik
when Dutch
colonized Indonesia
they made a lot of products
now Dutch company
Briscoe
owns it
Chinese company
made it popular
African people think
it's our culture
but Dutch company
owns it
it's talking about
culture
who owns this design
other Japanese people
like
hairstyle
fashion
design
other things
business
strategy
words
from US
how to
recommend
values
you can vote
but
I don't see it as voting
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I don't see it as voting
always
culture
if we are black people
if
Asian people doing rap
and it's not real
it's fake
you can follow me if you want
getting popular
that time we think
it's not
it's not
good
dash hour
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
okinawa
like
you never
be okinawan
how can you imagine
what we think
what we feel
it was pretty accurate
but still you are not
that kind of
distorted
at the same time
appropriation
and
appreciation
both
in me
both
you can say
I don't know
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real Okinawan
feeling
you can say
I can't do anything
if you say like that
you can say like that
I do rap a lot
but
we are not real rapper
if you say like that
then they are satisfied
seamless
when it comes to
those people
it's offensive
when you are famous
you should be careful
what you say
what you do
every time
I like her though
Akuwafina
if you don't know
Akuwafina
you should watch the movie
she is great
when she got
accused on twitter
she said
she said
apology
she said
well
the historical background
of African community in this country
is recognized
in reality
language and immigration
culture change and
globalization of internet slang
is the cause of
discrimination and
pop culture
AAVE
African American
Binocular English
she said
she shut down
her twitter
for her mental issue
or her therapist
advised to stop it
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I don't think
we don't need to get conclusion
about this issue or the whole issue
about culture appropriation
it just depends on people
their perspective
their background
their experience
that we would never know
when it comes to public
so
it's basically good to be controversial
makes people talk
what they think
and her apologizing
or her explanation sounds really good
to me
makes sense
that's the only thing
we can do
but as an expressionist
even if we know
we are exposed
how to say
but we still express
that's the good thing
about being an artist
in our case
we use English
even though we are not
native English speaker
are we doing culture appropriation
to mimic
American English speaker
but it's
cultural
appreciation for me
I don't know
some people feel
but I think
when we try
to speak like
black
American
we have to think about something
that's totally different issue
I think
we haven't reached that level
so we can't mimic
but
I think
black culture
is really unique
it has a deep history
but
people who like basketball
people who like R&B
people who like skateboard
are influenced by
black culture
but
if it's famous
maybe
Asian people
are influenced
but we are not
majority
so do what you like
I think
I don't think
I don't know
but the reason why
I love hip-hop
culture, rap and all the songs
dance and overall
hip-hop culture is like
it reminds me
related
to my
life as Okinawan
as a minority
using
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their creative
creative things
to get money
to be rich
to be more
financially stable
or
promote
and get
better position
in Japan
because
we in Okinawa
it used to be
even though
we just go into the mainland
people think we are stupid
we are not on time
you know
we used to be
considered as
less good
lazy
person
the mainlander
before Gushiken Yoko
became famous
we are like
low level of Japanese
and what does
hip-hop culture do
is like
same thing what we want to do
in Japan
this is my personal opinion
you said that
I think
in Hawaii
small island
some island used to be
their own nation but
taking over the bigger culture
of the company
country
those people
their economic level is
relatively low
they are using their creatives
their ideas
their appearance
because we don't have
economic status
we don't have
uniqueness
in terms of expression
they go to the market
because there are famous people
there is Okinawa
there is something
after that
they can go to work
in the south
when I was in Tokyo
nobody judged
because I am Okinawa
they say we are on time
but how do I say
you came from Okinawa?
are you stupid?
already
Okinawa became popular
because of those
entertainment
they were already famous
that's why they were accepted
I think
if it was my father's generation
they would have been different
I think so
in Kinjo
people like me
some people
like Okinawa
think I am a good person
because of
my
local
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people think
I am a good person
because I am from Okinawa
people think you are a good person
because you are from Okinawa
some people
from entertainment
some politicians
they are there
that's why
they have that image
that's why
it's so fucking hip-hop
isn't it?
I think it's hip-hop
yes
that's why
in my opinion
cultural
appreciation
for all the black culture
is
to make minorities
rise up
I think it's a great
opportunity
as an Okinawan
I can relate to it
that's why
I like it
I didn't think
about it that much
but later
I think I like it
Okinawans like hip-hop
I don't think it's because
there are military
I think
people who don't have money
or people who are
not raised well
become rappers
they want to
be heard
their voice
that's why they do rap
maybe people think
feel the same and absorb
their culture
and make it
better things
as a business
as a career
something like that
when we talk about Japan
we say Okinawa vs. Mainland
but somewhere in Mainland
people think
we are us
vs. Mainland
maybe some people think like that
it doesn't matter
the scale
the moment you become a minority
if you live like that
I'm a minority
when I was in America
I thought I was a minority
what kind of minority?
as an Asian
nobody gives a shit to Asian
even people think I'm Chinese
they say hello to me
when I was in New York
people said that
they thought I was Chinese
so I thought
do I look like Chinese?
you just look like Asian
it means Chinese
they can't define
who is Japanese
Korean
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Chinese
Japanese
they don't know
so
at that time
I was
recognized as Asian
but I wasn't
defined
so I didn't feel good
about it
people said hello to me
they said
I'm not Chinese
when I was in America
people think I'm Chinese
because I'm Asian
when I saw that
people from South America
Japanese people don't like
Chinese people
I was asked why
I think
there is a difference
between Japanese and Chinese
I don't want to be mistaken
you are so different
culturally
how can I say
I can understand
American and Asian
I can't tell
I don't care if people call me
Chinese or Korean
but at that time
I was angry
I was like
what?
it's part of
discrimination
against Chinese people
so
when people say something to me
I get angry
I feel uncomfortable
I feel like
there is a difference
when you go to
the states
people like to
say their opinions
because of the culture
but Japanese people are not really
you know
we tend to become
minority
as a people
do you understand?
yes
we are invisible
yes
so
we are shy
compared to
Obe people
that's why we feel like
we are minority
as long as
we want to promote
our culture
we don't have to
complain
we can say anything
when it became
viral
or accused
or controversial
you need to say
your opinion
at that point
show your attitude
blah blah blah
the main point is
we got the chance
to talk about it
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yes
whether it's
appreciation
or
we can't
talk about it forever
we need to learn
from it
we don't have the answer
we don't have the answer
we talked about it
Aqua Fina
I still think
she is not bad
but
there are some people
who feel they get offended
and then it's an issue
just like Sekuhara
it's not a problem
if you feel hurt
when you get offended
that's it
but
it's good
minority voices
become popular
it's a chance
even we have
the word
culture appropriation
it's already
out there
it's very easy to
say your
voice
even if you are a minority
it's easy to say
it's popular
so you can
say it
if it's popular
just say it
if you like it
just say it
I think it's good
yeah
I think we can
talk about it
we don't have to
say it
we don't have to
hide it
we have to
express it
I think
yeah
we talked about it
in Hip Hop
I grew up
in Okinawa
it's so
mixed
culture and people
and climate and everything
we can't define
what Okinawa is
we don't know
so
we can't define it
not only Okinawa
but also
American culture
is Okinawan
we can't define
what Okinawan is
so we can't
talk about it
we can't
talk about it
we can't
talk about it
we can't
we can't
we can't
we can't
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but taco is
Mexican food
but taco rice is ours
everything changing
their forms
how they
presentation
and all
I think if you
or if we want to produce
some product
or we want to design something
it always came from some other culture
our own culture even
you should study about it
there is nothing original
I think
we just keep
educate
learning history
if something happened
you need to
explain what you were
thinking or what you think
or how you want to
show their respect
and you should say
inspired by blah blah
go live with it
inspired by
inspired by
American wedding
the whole wedding
ceremony came from European
culture
white dress
tuxedo
wearing suit
even not Asian thing
never end
keeping up
with it
it's good to know
there is the idea
and the word
culture appropriation
culture
appreciation
so we talked about cultural
appropriation
and appreciation
from the article
and the important thing is
keep learning
the culture you were inspired by
and also
you should
say something
you are able to say something
if you are in minority
you should care
the culture
when you are in majority as well
and you should keep talking about it
and then
because of the globalization
the culture will be mixed together
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and it's gonna be
really original
at the end of the day
so that
the thing you should do
is
learning
and
and
it was a huge topic
it's good
we just know the idea
and we just keep discussing
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