2025-10-20 30:16

Ep244 腰痛夫婦

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2人揃って腰を痛めた話です。痛めた理由やタイミングは少しずつ違うので、それぞれの体験談って感じです。

後半は私が急に手帳やノートにハマった話です。

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This episode focuses on rehabilitation techniques that emphasize fascia release, alternative medical practices, and the experience of managing chronic pain, particularly its effects on movement and posture. It addresses issues related to lower back pain and its impact on daily activities, as well as personal experiences with various exercises and therapies intended to relieve discomfort. In the episode titled 'Ep244 腰痛夫婦,' the hosts share their experiences with back pain, the treatment process, and the joys and challenges of journaling and collecting stationery. The discussion centers on their encounters with back pain and the difficulties they face in everyday life while attempting to document their food and travel experiences using a traveler's notebook in Kyoto.

腰痛とその影響
スピーカー 1
ラララララ ランランランラン
藤原ヒロのなんなんやろ
スピーカー 3
Oh, I see.
You used to look like a Hellenian, didn't you?
Was it a while ago?
スピーカー 1
A while ago was a few years ago.
That's right! It's been a few years!
It's been a few years.
スピーカー 3
Since then?
スピーカー 1
Since then, I've been suffering a lot because of my previous house.
I see.
It's been two years since I moved here.
I see.
You used to look like a Hellenian, didn't you?
You look like a Hellenian, don't you?
スピーカー 3
Why? Why?
スピーカー 1
You look like a Hellenian, don't you?
スピーカー 2
Yes, I look like a Hellenian every year.
スピーカー 1
You look like a Hellenian every year.
スピーカー 3
Does it have anything to do with the season?
スピーカー 2
Yes, it does.
I don't know why, but I've been carrying my luggage all the time.
As a job.
スピーカー 3
I see, I see.
スピーカー 2
I have that kind of thing, and I'm usually in a sleeping position.
スピーカー 1
You say that a lot.
This is the first time I've been asked to look at a medical journal.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
スピーカー 3
Is it a circuit?
スピーカー 2
No, not at all.
スピーカー 1
What is it?
スピーカー 2
A medical journal is a journal about rehabilitation for injured people.
It's often organized in hospitals.
I think there are a lot of rehabilitation for injured athletes and retired people.
スピーカー 1
Yes, I think so.
It's a journal that looks at the condition of muscles, fascia, and the whole body.
It's basically a journal about how to move and how to rehabilitate.
スピーカー 2
I see.
スピーカー 1
That's right.
スピーカー 2
That's why I was asked to look at a medical journal for the first time.
There was an acquaintance of mine who was doing work rehabilitation.
He was a little far away, so I asked him if there was any good place.
I've had him look at it once.
It was a few years ago.
I asked him if there was any good place, and he said there was a place like this.
スピーカー 3
Like a hospital?
スピーカー 2
It's not a hospital.
If you go to a hospital and get a diagnosis, you'll get insurance, so it's really cheap.
I don't get insurance, so it's like a full-time job.
スピーカー 3
I see.
スピーカー 1
But there were quite a few new discoveries, weren't there?
スピーカー 2
What kind of discoveries?
That's right. The place I went to was a place where fascia was almost the main thing.
It's popular now, isn't it?
Fascia release.
It doesn't seem to be in the curriculum of the Department of Medicine.
But it's like a course that you can choose and take.
That person is learning.
It's a surgery or something like that.
The Department of Medicine has a nationwide service.
I went there.
スピーカー 3
How was it?
Do you do anything?
Do you do it yourself?
Do you loosen the fascia?
スピーカー 2
That's right. It's a surgery.
It's a massage or rehab.
I'm the only one who's been there.
スピーカー 1
Dr. Fujiwara will go there again.
スピーカー 2
First, he explained to me what fascia release is.
He explained to me what fascia release is.
スピーカー 1
It's like a rubber suit that wraps around your whole body.
スピーカー 2
I think it's on top of the muscle.
I forgot if it's up or down.
If it's stuck somewhere, it'll stick out.
The connection between the muscle and the muscle won't work.
It's like taking off the part that's sticking out.
Make sure the rubber suit moves up, down, left, and right.
360 degrees. No, 180 degrees.
Make sure it's flexible.
If this part hurts, it's the waist.
If this part hurts, it's the waist.
If this part hurts, it's the waist.
He told me to look at it in order.
He told me to look at it in order.
It was the calf.
It's just behind the spine.
He told me to focus on that.
スピーカー 3
It hurt a lot.
スピーカー 2
Do you feel like you're pushing or rolling?
It's like moving the fascia.
Push a little and move it up and down.
Push a little and move it left and right.
I'll do it for about three minutes.
He told me to push it somewhere else.
He told me he'd only put in this much force.
It doesn't hurt at all when I do it elsewhere.
It hurts so much when I do it there.
It's like I'm sweating.
That much?
ファシアリリースの理解
スピーカー 2
It's like I'm holding it in.
But if I put in any more force, it won't move.
I was holding it in with all my strength.
These three minutes are really long.
スピーカー 3
It's hard.
スピーカー 1
I put in all my strength, but it hurts.
スピーカー 2
It hurts so much that I'm holding it in.
He told me to do it on the side of the thigh.
It's similar to the position of the pelvis.
It's close to the position of the pelvis.
He told me to do it left and right.
He told me to do it for about an hour and a half.
That's a lot of work.
It's like a policy or a motto.
He told me to do it three times.
It's not like I'm going to do it all the time.
He told me to do it three times.
スピーカー 1
That's nice.
It's fundamental.
What kind of posture and movement is the problem?
It's like you're teaching me the basics.
スピーカー 3
What did he say?
What's the problem?
スピーカー 1
You said it's because you're holding on to your hat, right?
スピーカー 2
I don't think my pelvis is moving much.
I don't think my buttocks are moving much either.
I think it's because the muscles that connect to it are stiff.
He told me to take it off.
スピーカー 1
He told me to make sure that my muscles are moving.
スピーカー 2
He asked me where I was putting my strength when I did a back kick.
I was behind my thighs.
Basically, when I put my feet behind my back, I put my strength under my hips.
身体の動きと痛みの理解
スピーカー 2
I'm not putting my strength here, so I can't transfer it here.
So I'm under a lot of pressure on my hips, behind my legs, behind my thighs.
I don't remember that very well.
スピーカー 1
But when you're just moving around, you're supposed to put your strength where you don't usually put your strength.
That's what I learned for the first time this time.
スピーカー 2
That's right.
And what does it mean to train your body?
スピーカー 1
Basically, it's breathing.
スピーカー 2
When your body is breathing, you have to be able to move all your ribs.
If you can't breathe properly, your ribs won't move when you're stiff.
He told me to take off the muscle membrane around it and make the ribs move.
スピーカー 1
It's not moving at all.
スピーカー 3
It's a deep breath.
スピーカー 2
That's right. It's a deep breath.
It's like inflating your ribs.
It's like moving.
He told me to do that.
スピーカー 1
It's very fundamental, isn't it?
It sounds interesting. I want to go there.
When I heard that story, I thought,
Now I have to put my strength on my hips.
At first, I didn't think it was the same way as a hat.
I started with the feeling that I was getting tired.
スピーカー 3
You were busy.
The Shinkansen.
スピーカー 1
September.
Yes, yes, yes.
I can't move at all when I'm on the Shinkansen.
I have to sit down.
After the Shinkansen ended, I went to Tokyo.
I thought I had answered a lot of questions, such as long-distance travel on the Shinkansen.
After the Shinkansen ended, I thought I had to exercise properly.
I started stretching, light muscle training, and walking for the first time in a long time.
I thought I was loosening up.
When I got on the Shinkansen and came back,
I felt a lot of back fatigue.
I thought I had to loosen up more.
The more I loosened up, the worse it got.
I thought it was strange.
I thought it was strange.
I think this is probably the cause of stretching, muscle training, and walking.
That's my conclusion now.
Maybe I did too much.
I used to do this much.
I don't think I've been able to recover from the accumulation of damage.
I'm sad.
スピーカー 2
Maybe it's a movement that doesn't fit your current body condition.
スピーカー 1
I think I was doing it.
There's a forward stretch.
Spread your legs and sit on the floor.
I used to do that a lot.
But after I got injured, that's the worst movement I've ever done.
My body wasn't that stiff.
I used to bend a lot.
I think I was too committed to that.
I think it's definitely the cause of the difference.
スピーカー 3
I think it's because you're putting pressure on your back.
スピーカー 1
I usually go to massages.
Estee?
I think it's Estee to use a machine.
It's like an all-hand lymphatic massage.
That sounds good.
It's not a forward stretch.
Does it hurt?
It hurts.
Lymphatic massages are basically painful.
That's why I'm maintaining the stiffness.
My scapula is basically terrible.
スピーカー 3
Is it easy to get stiff?
スピーカー 1
I feel like I'm stuck.
I feel like I'm getting stiff in my consciousness.
I'm often told that my scapula isn't moving.
I'm often told that my scapula isn't moving.
スピーカー 3
I'm often told that my scapula isn't moving.
I understand.
My husband doesn't have a scapula.
スピーカー 1
Yes, yes, yes.
It's all connected.
From there, it leads to stiff shoulders and headaches.
My scapula isn't moving.
It's connected to the muscles above my buttocks.
It's connected to the stiffness of my buttocks.
It's not about the hat.
It's just a little touch and it hurts.
I see.
I think it's connected to a lot of things.
I think it's connected to a lot of things.
I think it's dangerous to do muscle training with my own feeling.
I felt that strongly this time.
トレーニングの重要性
スピーカー 1
I'd like to learn what's not moving and what kind of movement I have to be aware of.
I'd like to learn what's not moving and what kind of movement I have to be aware of.
スピーカー 3
I heard you have a national training center there.
I heard you have a national training center there.
Is there one in Fukui?
スピーカー 1
Is there one in Fukui?
スピーカー 3
I'd like to go there.
スピーカー 2
I don't think you'd go there.
スピーカー 1
I don't think you'd go there.
スピーカー 3
The more dangerous I feel, the more stiff my body is.
From my point of view, I'm just sitting normally.
スピーカー 2
I'm saying, ouch, ouch, ouch.
スピーカー 3
I'm worried.
My shoulders are wide.
スピーカー 1
I think it's as dangerous as Fukui.
I think it's as dangerous as Fukui.
There's a Fukui store.
スピーカー 2
There's a Fukui store.
スピーカー 1
It's 15 minutes by car from Fukui Station.
スピーカー 3
It's close.
Is it up there?
スピーカー 1
It says 2-chome in the middle of Takagi, Fukui City.
I think it's close.
スピーカー 3
I think it's close.
スピーカー 1
I think it's right in the middle.
スピーカー 2
It feels like a single-bedroom apartment.
It's a place where you can do it all by yourself.
スピーカー 1
It's like they're assigned to do so.
スピーカー 2
The market I go to is also a single room with an apartment.
The market I go to is also a single room with an apartment.
My husband is a personal trainer in Tokyo
He said he's doing it all the time
スピーカー 3
Oh, so he's doing a lot of things in different fields
Is it the same training?
No, it's not training, it's like training
スピーカー 1
I'm sure he's having a study session
腰痛の治療体験
スピーカー 2
But basically, everyone is a science and medicine teacher
スピーカー 3
I'll try to recommend it to my husband
By the way, did you feel better after the first visit?
スピーカー 2
Yes, I felt better after the first visit.
I went there twice.
The second time, they taught me how to breathe.
I heard that if you go there just once, you can go back to the way you were.
I heard that you have to do the same thing three times.
You have to go there until you settle down.
I feel better after the first visit.
スピーカー 3
Is it okay to go there just once?
スピーカー 2
Yes, you can go there just once.
If you go there just once, you can go back to the way you were.
If you go there just once, you can go back to the way you were.
スピーカー 1
I see.
I feel like you've been to many places.
スピーカー 2
Yes, I've been to Kyoto from my teens to my 80s.
スピーカー 3
That's a wide range.
スピーカー 2
I think the reasons and causes are all different.
スピーカー 3
Let's move on.
スピーカー 2
There are a lot of people who work in hospitals.
I think there are a lot of people.
スピーカー 1
It's been a while since I've been in a corset.
スピーカー 3
Really?
スピーカー 1
I don't think I can crouch down easily.
スピーカー 3
What?
スピーカー 1
That's not true.
I think it's been a long time.
It's been 12 days since I started getting surgery.
スピーカー 3
When did you make the reservation?
スピーカー 1
Next week.
スピーカー 2
Next week?
スピーカー 1
There was a gap right after the third time.
スピーカー 3
So you went there in a row?
スピーカー 1
Yes, I went there in a row.
But I'm doing it alone, so I can't get it right away.
It's already full.
スピーカー 3
I just got it around that time.
スピーカー 1
Is it known that you're a couple when you go there in a row?
It's known.
スピーカー 3
It's like an introduction.
スピーカー 2
I was told that there was a discount on the introduction.
スピーカー 1
We spend the fall like that.
文房具と日記の楽しみ
スピーカー 3
I see.
スピーカー 1
Actually, I have a lot of things I want to do this season.
スピーカー 2
Isn't it about eating?
スピーカー 1
It's about eating, but it's also about taking a walk.
スピーカー 3
It's a season when you want to go out.
スピーカー 1
It's a good season.
Gardening is also a season of replanting.
スピーカー 3
I see.
スピーカー 1
I wanted to take care of it, replant it, and clean it.
But it's all self-restraint.
スピーカー 3
You need a back for gardening.
スピーカー 1
I use my back the most.
So I'm having a very frustrating time.
Another big thing about my recent news is...
It's been a long time since I've been addicted to the news.
I'm addicted to writing analog notebooks and notes.
That's why I've been collecting stationery lately.
スピーカー 3
Oh my.
スピーカー 1
At the same time as I started to get addicted to it,
I started selling my diary at the beginning of October.
That's why I'm still overflowing with that kind of news.
I've been using a schedule notebook for a long time.
Until about 2018.
I haven't used it for 6 or 7 years.
I was going to write a diary for 5 years, but it didn't last.
It's been a long time since I wrote something on a notebook.
I made a notebook for typing.
When I wrote something that I didn't look back on,
I wrote it in a very dirty handwriting.
It was surprisingly pleasant.
You didn't write it neatly, but you wrote it in a dirty handwriting.
It's been a long time since I felt like I was scribbling.
When you're young, it's fun to write because you can scribble.
スピーカー 3
That's right.
スピーカー 1
I was conscious of writing neatly, so the hurdles were getting higher.
But when I started to write in a very dirty handwriting,
I wanted to write neatly after scribbling.
Until now, I only bought one notebook a year.
I heard that there are a lot of people on the street who use multiple notebooks.
スピーカー 3
Do you mean that even if you write it in a dirty handwriting, you leave it clean?
スピーカー 1
I recently learned that there are many ways to use it.
Even if it's a schedule management notebook,
there are people who use it in various ways.
For example, work is work.
Weight management is a very healthy notebook.
In addition to that, I recently learned that
there are various things such as journaling, bullet journals, morning pages, and common place.
I learned about that for the first time in about half a month.
I'm enjoying it recently because I think there are a lot of people who want to try it.
スピーカー 3
It's fun to write, isn't it? I can relate to that.
スピーカー 1
Until now, I didn't enjoy writing that much.
スピーカー 3
Because you write too much at work.
スピーカー 1
I think that's the big reason.
I thought it was fun to write,
and I wondered why everyone had so many notebooks.
That's how I felt for the first time.
I have something to do in the city today,
so I'm thinking of buying a traveler's notebook for the first time.
I've known that there's a traveler's notebook for a long time,
but I thought I wouldn't use it.
スピーカー 3
Do you mean a travel notebook?
スピーカー 1
That's what I thought.
スピーカー 3
That's not what I meant.
スピーカー 1
Basically, it's a notebook to keep a record of your trip.
But as a traveler's notebook, I knew there were a lot of ways to use it,
so I wanted to use it in that way.
Kyoto has the Shinbukan, right?
Do you know that there's a traveler's notebook store there?
What is that?
That's amazing.
Traveler's notebook is not a notebook genre,
it's a company.
Is that so?
It's the only company that has a traveler's notebook.
記録するための旅行者のノート
スピーカー 1
So it's like a manufacturer's store.
スピーカー 3
I didn't know that at all.
スピーカー 1
I didn't know that either,
but I thought there was a genre like that.
I thought a lot of companies were releasing traveler's notebooks.
スピーカー 3
I thought so too.
スピーカー 1
That's the only one.
It's called a traveler's notebook.
What I want to do with that is
to use it to keep a record of my trips.
I want to use it to keep a record of the food I ate,
and how to use it to keep a record of my favorite food.
スピーカー 3
That's a good idea.
スピーカー 1
I put a lot of important points in my life when it comes to food.
Since I live in Kyoto,
I want to use it to keep a record of my trips.
If I go to a restaurant in Kyoto and eat there,
I want to use it to keep a record of my trips.
スピーカー 3
That sounds fun.
It's like getting out of Hitoriyama.
スピーカー 1
That's right.
スピーカー 3
Sounds good.
スピーカー 1
I'm going to start with a low hurdle.
That's what I'm into this fall.
Here's a behind-the-scenes story.
腰痛との闘い
スピーカー 1
The day after the recording,
I thought my back pain had gotten worse.
I thought it would be better to go to a plastic surgeon.
I went to a plastic surgeon in my neighborhood.
I got an X-ray of my back.
It was just the way I imagined it would be.
So I had no choice but to rest.
There was no abnormality in my bones.
I was told that I had a little bit of hernia.
I thought it might be suspicious.
So I put on a corset and put on a ship to rest.
When I went there before,
I shouldn't move my waist too much.
I should rest.
I shouldn't forget the pain.
I remember being told not to take painkillers or painkillers.
But I went there this time.
I thought it would be a problem if I didn't live my daily life because of the pain.
I was told that I should go out.
So I got a painkiller.
I took Rokisonine for about two days.
I took it in the morning and evening.
I was told that I should take it three times a day after three meals.
But I didn't think it was that bad.
It's been about three days since I went to the plastic surgeon.
My waist is relatively fine now.
スピーカー 2
Yes.
スピーカー 1
I think I used it too much.
I think I moved too much suddenly.
Now, I'm probably worried about the dullness and swelling of Rokisonine.
It was a narrow and urgent situation.
Yes.
This time, it's completely about back pain.
Yes.
I was told that I was addicted to stationery in the second half of the story.
I was told that I was going to buy a traveler's note after the recording.
スピーカー 2
Yes.
スピーカー 1
So I bought it.
It's a traveler's note limited to Kyoto.
The cover design is limited to Kyoto.
As I said, I'm trying to make a note to record my meals.
I'm playing with it.
My back hurts, so I can't sit on the desk as much as I thought.
It's frustrating.
I'm having a difficult day.
I have to buy only such goods.
スピーカー 2
It's soon.
Yes.
If my back is better, it will be soon.
スピーカー 1
I want to think that it will be soon.
I want to play.
Yes.
It was an urgent situation.
Yes.
スピーカー 2
That's all.
スピーカー 1
Yes.
Thank you very much.
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