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We wanted to talk about networking.
Yep.
Just necessary part of our job.
Necessary part of my job while I'm in Chicago. I feel like I was networking for like the most part of my time here.
So you've been meeting with lots of new people?
Lots of new people. I mean like, you know, I joined a new lab. So there's always like, you know,
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But also
Before I fly to Hong Kong. I have several people like I basically had like a list of people I needed to meet
to introduce my research topic like my research project because I
May or may not need their help later like down the road.
It's very collaborative and there are things like I
Would like some access to some of the samples that they have the museums that they have
and stuff so I
Needed to sort of start building relationship, I guess
And yeah, so there was a lot of networking involved the past few weeks, I'm so tired
I don't know like I know that networking is important
But it's so めんどくさい
I know. So is it in person? Have you been meeting people in person or on Zoom?
Yeah, well mostly in person
Yeah, cuz I yeah, I went to Boston's museum and then Chicago's museum and
the professors at
Chicago here as well
Yeah, it's just so you've been all over
Yeah, I mean I kind of you know, nobody knows me right in this, you know museum site
I mean, nobody knows me in general full stop. But like, you know
In this museum science field, it's pretty small
So a lot of people
Have known each other and whatnot. I am joining into this tiny community. So
I am joining into this tiny community. So I had to be like hello. I'm Asami
I'll be working with so-and-so at so-and-so's museums
You know working on this kind of project and whatnot whatnot
Yeah, it was just I don't know I I still find networking to be very
awkward and
strange
Like I don't think I'm
I'm not but
I wouldn't say I'm shy right? Like I I I I
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I'm
What can I say in real life like outside of professional, you know world? I
can be
Unfriendly to like in a situation that I don't really care about
I
mean like I don't really
Meet new people
That often anyway, you know in my real life like like I just have friends who I've known for so long and like there's no
sort of new
introduction to them
So I yeah and like I don't my my friends are also not the type of people who bring their friends and be like
Hello, meet my friend, you know, so like we're just like same people
I don't know if it's a good thing or not, but
So like there's very little opportunity to sort of I don't go to parties I don't you know, that kind of thing so
Very little sort of practice of networking but like in professional setting I know we need to
Right. That's kind of important
But
That doesn't make it any easier
Make it any easier
Jeff tips you you've been you've been doing this for a way long
I'm that kind of person, you know to just to how do I say but you have collaborators
You needed to get to know them
well
Luckily, we do have
Yeah, I do have a good collaborators
Just because suddenly I get emails, you know, hey, I'm this person doing that and can I come over to your love?
Talk about science and then
And then you know, okay sure. Why not?
Let's talk. Let's chat a little bit
So you're saying you're saying that you people come to you for networking so you don't have to go
Well
So in one situation that happened and we're currently
Having discussions about you know interest really interesting science with them that person is
in a very different field than mine and it's kind of it's kind of you know,
Interesting because two different very different
scientific scientific fields can merge
I think like how did you get to know this person?
She found me so that that was interesting and he found me because of another postdoc
Who doesn't belong to any, you know?
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I don't want to show them on a machine. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
Postdoc, okay, Konohito that they meet a lot. Do you think huh? So this is really
very
Pretty rare
Situation but I'm sure like when you were starting out like when you were like freshly out of your PhD
Or like, you know when you're during PhD when it's your like first few conferences that you've attended
Right, you probably had to do like the old-school networking, right? Like hello. So like I'm Osaka
I like study this
Yeah, it never works though. I don't feel like
It doesn't produce any you know collaborations or stuff I don't know in my case
It never you know
Always
Does networking always have to end up with some kind of like result?
Because yeah, that's that's that's why I think it's very awkward
Like I don't know what I'm supposed to get out of other than quote-unquote to relationship building and it's like yeah
What I found interesting though, is that it's this is this may not be like a networking that you're
Referring to but we do have
Like symposiums or like speakers coming in to
our research
Institute and then
When people come in we do have time one-on-one meetings and we go out to for dinner, right?
and
That tend to be a very pleasant
Meetings because we get to know each other a little more than I
It's I usually expect to
It's some in my recent case it happened that we both
loved
this particular novels books
It's it's not science at all. But when we're discussing science, we found that we're both a big fan of this
Mystery
So novels and then we started to chat about that content of you know a content of
That novel something like that that like that like never happens
You know these like speaker launches and invited speaker sort of dinners
Like, you know, I've had to do
enough like many times on my own as well like in in grad school and stuff and
Yeah, like some I guess it really depends like I I never
At least the kind of people who came to my like school
it felt like they were primarily interested in just talking about sciences and like
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We have very little room to talk about anything else
Oh, no, like they felt uncomfortable talking about anything other than science. No, I remember why I would just record why?
We started to talk about it. It's because I I liked this scientists writing style
I really liked that person. Yeah, so I asked that person
Hey, I really like your papers how you you know
structure the
Paragraphs sentences. It's like how do you come up with that kind of arm, you know structures and then
No, it's not, you know easy work and do this do that and then it you know, it brought us to this
Writers that we like
Maybe this should be my go-to question to like, oh, well, I guess I will have to read their paper first
I have to decide if I like it or not
If I do like them
Then I can use that question because that's actually a very good sort of go-to question that kind of naturally
Flows into oh like, you know, what else like what sort of or who like what other?
Scientists do they think are good writers
And stuff like that that that can be sort of interesting sort of side topic
but yeah, usually I like I feel like
Physical chemists is just like we're just awkward people and we don't really know what else to talk about
No, we all look good people
Regardless of the field we all
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah, oh well, but yeah, I don't know I I feel like in
Grad school those networking was either forced upon me, you know
by these opportunities to talk with invited speakers or
It just kind of happened naturally through like collaboration that my boss made right whereas in
this postdoc job, I feel like I
Have to do a lot on my own. I mean there are people putting me together, you know
For instance like this time I got like a list of people I should see
And talk about my research topic. So like there's some goals, but I feel like I need to do more of that
Spontaneously, no not spontaneously
From from myself like I need to I need to do this like
Proactively that's the word I was looking for. I don't know why I say spontaneous
Oh, yeah, I feel like I need to do this like a bit more proactively as a postdoc because you know now
now I'm like
starting to become an
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Independent researcher on my own and I need to make my own network, right?
Yeah, I have some thoughts. Um
Being forced may not be a bad thing necessarily
Because
Speakers coming in and then they want to visit your lab, for example in the future in your lab, you know
That's that's kind of forced opportunities. But you know, it may end up being really interesting
That's true. That's true. I think I would rather that I would prefer that over
Having to reach out to somebody
It's fine like like it's it's just like things that I didn't necessarily
Learn a ton of in grad school. I feel like it just happened more organically and
now
Maybe just like specific to this project because there's no grad students attached to it, right?
It just happened more organically. So I feel like it's it's a good thing
This project because there's no grad students attached to it right it just like me and my boss in this project
essentially and and
and I am like I really am like sort of the driving force of this project because you know, these PIs are
Stretched into a million different projects. So like I need to make a huge initiatives in terms of
Getting this project going but also getting helps outside of my boss
To like make sure that this is going in a direction that I wanted to go to
so
Yeah, yeah, just new new skills on top of bunch of other new skills that I need to learn. Okay
Yeah
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