二郎ラーメンへのプレッシャー
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二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
二郎ラーメンは本当に怖いのか？
I don't want to go to a place where they would communicate like that.
Right, right, right.
Why would anyone want to go there?
True.
So the second one,
君のせいでメインがダメになっちゃった
that's, like, too mean.
Yeah.
That's...
Even to me, that's a problem.
I don't want to go to that store again.
Yeah.
So that's...
Yeah, that's too much.
That's too much.
And I've never faced that level.
Never encountered it.
Okay.
But the first ones...
You've seen it?
Yeah, sometimes.
But it's like half help.
Half help?
Because this guy...
Really?
Yeah.
Thinks that I have to finish this.
Or those guys will punch you.
Okay.
Oh, so, okay.
And it's already, like, more than, like, maybe 40, 50 minutes.
And looks completely...
Just packed full.
About to explode.
And sweating and, like, like that.
Yeah.
But he thinks, he believes that if I don't finish this...
The store is gonna be mad at you.
Yeah, yeah.
So that's why he...
And, like, there are people like that in the store.
Because they believe strongly...
So pressured.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's half help.
Like, in the store.
You don't have to finish that.
You can...
That's not what we want.
Uh-huh.
Don't, don't, don't be too pressured.
Uh-huh.
And they say once.
Uh-huh.
But he's too pressured.
Uh-huh.
And cannot take that as an help.
Uh-huh.
Even, like, take this as a pressure.
Yeah.
And, like...
And then...
And then, like, you do that, like, two, three times.
And the store side will...
And then the communication goes, like...
You know, wrong, you know?
Wow.
Yeah.
So that's...
Yeah.
But whose fault is that?
That's the store side.
I mean, yeah.
And that's the Jiro World side fault.
Yeah.
That made him think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we're sorry for that.
Oh, okay.
We're sorry for that, yeah.
We are sorry for that.
So we have to, like, fix that.
If you're full, you don't need to...
You don't have to fix it.
Yeah.
Nobody will punch you if you don't finish it.
It's okay if you leave that.
But are they going to give you the looks?
The look.
Well, it's just like...
Like...
The Shokudo Obachan.
For example, like...
Ah, I see.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right, right.
I see.
Oh, that's of course, as in...
Okay, I see.
But it's not something like,
Oh, you came to Jiro and can't eat this much.
Nothing like that.
Okay.
It's just a...
It's a bit of a waste.
Like, if they made it, they cooked.
And then, you know, finished with half.
周囲のプレッシャーと文化
Sure, sure.
I guess if you think about it,
that's a very natural reaction.
Yeah.
Sure.
But if you are trapped in that mode,
everything looks scary.
It does look scary.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, he's mad at...
So, yeah.
So, one of the other things
that the interview talked about was...
So, this guy that eats seven,
that ate seven bowls,
they were like,
Oh, yeah, he does all the time.
And then, I sometimes order two bowls.
But stores where he can't do two bowls
is where they have a haigore.
Haigore?
Haigore ga aru mise dato.
So, he said that
haigore ga aru mise tte iu no wa,
there are people waiting right behind you
for an open seat.
I see.
That, he feels pressured by the haigore.
Yeah.
Like, if he orders two,
the haigore is going to be like,
You're fucking ordering two?
I'm waiting here.
Yeah.
So, he's kind of pressured not to do it.
He said that.
Yeah.
What about the people,
customers that are there?
Okay, I get that the stores
are trying their best
not to scare off the customers,
try to be fair as possible,
not to be a bully.
But what about the people that are there?
I have an image that
they can be a little bit of a bully too.
Like, they'll be like,
Hey, you got to fit in
if you want to be part of the culture.
Or get out.
How about that?
Does that happen?
Does that happen?
So, that example.
So, you're half right,
you're half wrong.
So, but still, you're half right.
Okay, I'm half right.
It's the people who create this culture
and this image, right?
So, you're half right.
So, I want to, like,
I want to,
I want them to be a little more,
a little more
pay contribution to make it,
make this whole image better than now.
So, yes.
I see.
In that way, yes, you're half right.
There are the guys who
are so proud of themselves
that can finish Jiro,
or, like, experience in Jiro world,
and then they will, like,
look down to those, like, beggars.
Yes, there are people like that.
So, yes, that's half true.
And then, but, like,
ordering two bowls
is, like, something,
for example, you're lining
in the, for example, like,
in the station,
the ticket vending machine,
well, not anymore, but,
and making line,
and then one guy, like,
buying, like, ten tickets
at one time, and, like,
everybody was, like,
what is he doing?
Just like that.
Yeah.
Or, like, lining in the...
ATM.
Yes.
Doing five New Keens.
Yes.
In the lunch time, and they,
what?
Just line up again.
Yeah.
It's just like that.
So, it's kind of natural
that people are lining
behind you, and then, like,
doing, like,
and two chitos are not normal.
Yeah.
So...
I see.
Well, I mean, that's obvious,
like, yeah, you should.
Yeah.
Like, if you have somebody
waiting behind you...
I guess that's a natural...
二郎ラーメンの魅力
Yeah.
Not limited to ramen.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
So, I guess that's half true
and half wrong,
but at least half is right, so...
Yeah.
It's true, there are
those kind of guys.
That's a little bit mean.
Yeah.
Okay.
They're so proud of themselves.
Ah, I see.
So, you have to live with that.
I see.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
But most of them are polite
and kind and want to spread
this happiness to many people.
Okay, I see.
So...
All right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's try going to one place
together.
Yeah, let's...
Yeah, if I were to go,
I would want to go
with somebody like you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who's understanding.
With maybe that guy.
Yeah, that guy.
Those guys.
Yeah.
And...
Experienced people.
Yeah.
Somewhere...
If there are one.
Not as crowded.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
True.
Yeah.
True.
That'd be great.
That'd be...
Yeah.
That'd be fun.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's kind of
a little bit far from
the central, central Tokyo.
Oh, I see.
Yeah, it's a little far.
Like, I'm going to,
for example...
20-minute walk
from Ikebukuro Station.
Sure.
Sure.
Okay.
Sure.
I mean, you have...
You have
the closer ones, so...
Okay.
But, like, that's gonna be
a lot more lines and...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
If you want a good taste
and, like,
less crowded and...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I see.
Got it.
I'll think about it.
I'll think about it, Yamachan.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll think about it.
Yeah.
But I'm a step closer...
Yes, please.
...into that world now.
That's lovely.
Thanks to you.
Lovely.
Yeah.
And that's what I want to do.
Yeah.
So do let me know
at any time...
Thank you.
...you feel so.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I can call...
I can call my guys.
Got it.
Got it.
And they will come.
I feel safe.
Instantly.
That I have somebody
we can reach out to.
Yes.
Thanks.
Thanks, everyone.
Thanks, Yamachan.
All right.
Thanks.
Bye-bye.
Yeah.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
