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Welcome to Kevin's English Room Podcast.
Hello.
Hey guys.
Alright, I'll pick this one.
Nu-san.
Okay.
ケビンさんやまちゃんこんにちは。いつもジムでの筋トレの際楽しく聞かせていただいています。数エピソードまとめて再生するので直近の文を聞き尽くしてしまったときは過去のエピソードに戻って聞いているのですが、今年5月のExplicit設定の回以降の健全な会話とは対照的にケビンさんが生き生きとFワードSワードを連発していて思わず吹き出してしまいました。
昔の文ね。
Okay.
お便りを送ったのは職場の横文字おじさんについてです。
Okay.
よくコンサル用語を乱発する若者を揶揄するショート動画がありますが、あれのおじさん版です。
アジェンダ、スキーム、ボトムアップなどは日常的に使われるのであまり違和感なく入ってきますが、コンペンセイト、インテグレート、オブリゲーションなどパッと聞いた瞬間に意味がわからないし、そもそも日本語で言うより長くなってないというものもあり困惑しています。
本人は以前海外駐在をしていたことが誇りらしく折に触れてその話をしており、正面からその横文字ダサいし意味わからないのでやめてくださいと言えません。
それとなくやめるように働きかけたいのですが、何かいい案があれば教えてください。
またケビンさんやまちゃんがそういう横文字ユーザーを見たときどう思っているか聞いてみたいです。
これから暑さが厳しくなるかと思います。お二人とも体に気をつけてください。
You know, I've never met anybody who uses...
He's really like, you know, cliche.
Yes.
I've never actually met anybody who uses like thatmuch, you know, katakana.
Or even like when I was a daigakusei, you know howsome people, they say of like, you know, thekikokushijo, they do all that stuff, like thekikokushijo stuff, like kabure.
I've actually never like seen like the kikokushijokabure or like the katakana go tsukau hito.
Okay.
Yeah.
Have you?
Yeah.
Were they in your kaishain jidai?
Yes, kaishain jidai, yes.
Recently.
Recently as well?
Yes.
Really?
Yeah.
Maybe because you speak English, like becauseyou're, because you're like have like nativityfrom two languages, you're not that, you don'tfeel that strange to those people.
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True.
I, you know, whenever katakana comes in play, itfeels like I can understand it more.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's true.
I think so.
So do you think there were, were there ever asituation where I was in the meeting with you andthen this person sort of started doing that?
Yeah.
One or two?
Can be.
I can remember the exact situation, but it'spossible, yeah.
Okay.
And also you do that too, right?
I do that too actually, yeah.
Not like the bad way, you're not trying to be.
Because I can't think of the Japanese languageversion.
You use it.
Yeah.
And you say in katakana version.
Right.
And so I think it's pretty much to you, like Iwould say natural being those like katakana, egomixed with Japanese.
Yeah.
So, but in your case, you're not trying to do, butyou're, you're the authentic one.
They are trying to be.
I'm just trying to communicate.
Yeah.
The best way I can.
So I've never felt that negativity from youbecause you're the someone that they are trying tobe, you know?
So I think to you, that's why you never felt thatway, I guess.
If you, so the people you've seen do that, whatare they, how are they like?
Just like this.
Just like how they're being described?
Yes, yes.
They're trying to intentionally put more and morekatakanas in there.
Yeah.
To look more sophisticated.
To look more.
Yeah.
Sophisticated.
Yes.
Or like to look, to sound more dekiru.
I've honestly never, never sensed that ever.
I've always thought that was like a, like a fairytale.
Really?
Right.
Like even in college, when we were in college,I've seen some, some people I thought.
Were there some in our circle?
Circle?
Maybe not in circle.
But like zemi.
Oh, okay.
Or like a, yeah, like a guruwa.
Oh, man.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe, like relatively, I speak English too.
So it's okay to me.
Like even if they start speaking like that, Iwould understand.
Because you understand it.
Yeah.
So it's like.
There's not much friction in you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But if I don't speak English at all, you will feelthat more frequently, I guess.
Because you don't understand what they're saying.
Yeah.
Say it.
It's frustrating.
Yeah.
So.
That's true.
I think so.
Yeah.
So that's why from my level English at that time,I had some people who looked like that
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to me.
But not to you, I guess.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because you had the level and you understood it.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would love to think a guy and introduce you andjust try to have a conversation with
each other and want to know how you feel.
I would love to.
I would love to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I've seen that in like comedy sketches.
But it's so obvious.
They do it too much, actually, right?
So it's like, maybe this is probably not thereality.
I want to see the actual.
I want to see the actual one.
That exists, though.
Those like, those.
Yeah.
You know, I've never, yeah, I've never encounteredthem.
It's like a Pokemon.
Yeah.
But from my point of view, they are, thosePokemons, they are half like you.
They're half, they just try to communicate withthe tools that they have.
It's better for them.
Okay.
At least they think it's better for everybody.
Okay.
So not everybody is trying to, to pretend to belike Vicky to people.
But like, yeah.
Do you think that the Japanese people candistinguish between if they're just trying, tryingtheir best versus they're trying to look cool?
I mean, yeah, I sometimes can.
Okay.
But you know English, right?
Yeah.
What do you think for like the average Japanesepeople who don't know English?
Maybe not.
If not, then I'm probably like one of the onesthat are like that.
That's right.
It's rude.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I use like the most random English.
That's not even like business English.
It's like they make sense.
Like I say that sometimes, right?
That sounds like that.
I mean.
But I try to, you know, I try to not use thosewords.
Okay.
You guys, like you, the team.
Like you guys already know.
Yeah.
Fairly a lot of English.
And the character.
They know me.
Yeah.
So like I can like comfortably say that.
But like to those people who I don't know, likelet's say meeting them for the first time.
I try not to use katakana as much as possible.
I think that's better.
Yeah.
I definitely not use words like, you know.
Like, you know, I think it makes sense.
I think it's negotiable.
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I definitely try to stay away from it.
True.
Think about that.
Yeah.
Like I know you, your character.
And I know you're trying hard to.
To communicate.
Yeah.
To explain easily.
And then you bring those cards out.
Yeah.
So I don't, that's why I don't feel anything.
Or like it's more like, I would say like lovable.
Like more cute, I would say.
Right, right, right.
Like you're trying hard.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But without those kooky, fun vibe.
And let's say you're in the Zoom meeting orsomething.
Like more serious.
Yeah.
And I don't know you.
And you just come on the screen like this.
And if you like start using those katakana words.
And then I would like.
Oh.
He's one of those.
He's a Pokemon.
He's a Pokemon.
But, but, but.
So at your English level.
Yeah.
You can distinguish between them.
Yes.
People like me.
And the Pokemons, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
So now the question is.
Do you think the people who you think are Pokemonsare actually Pokemons?
Or do you think they're just trying their best?
True.
Is it possible?
Or are you confident that they're like trying tolook bigger?
If you ask me like that, I'm not 100% sure.
But pretty much like 80%.
Like you can see it in there.
Yes.
Like you can.
You know how you can read people.
Yes.
Like what their desire is behind.
Exactly.
You can see that.
I can see that.
And also like people like you.
You start speaking like.
You know, like it's very random.
Like you're.
Oh.
It's like a.
Like nouns.
Yeah.
Things that normal Japanese people should be ableto say.
Like a.
Yeah.
I mean.
I understand.
You see what I mean?
Yeah.
Right.
But those Pokemons.
Uh huh.
They have those like lists of words.
Right.
You know like.
Ready to sort of.
Yes.
It's like a weapon.
Yes.
Yes.
Oh.
Okay.
They have them in their hands.
Okay.
And then they.
Here you go.
This is my card.
Yeah.
Okay.
So that's something I see.
That's true.
That's true.
That's definitely trying to look bigger.
Right.
All right.
Thanks for sitting guys.
Thank you.
Bye.