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Welcome to Kevin's English Room Podcast!
Yes.
Can you rate that like out of ten? How would you rate that?
Like your satisfaction level?
Nine.
That's pretty high.
You give that a nine?
Yep. Nine.
Out of five.
Give that a nine.
Out of five.
Okay.
Out of five?
Yep.
So it's over the limit?
Yeah.
That's pretty nice.
Okay. All right.
We've got a problem here.
All right, guys. All right.
So this is from Shandon-san.
Shandon-san.
Thank you, Shandon-san.
Thank you, Shandon-san.
We've got a...
He's thinking.
No, I'm not...
He's thinking.
Wait, guys.
Hold on. Give him time.
He's thinking.
No.
We've done too much episode of like this irregular message.
I'm talking fact.
Fact.
The way she gave us a message.
It was from Facebook message.
Facebook message.
I think that's a new one.
Yeah.
I think we've never done Facebook messaging.
Oh, okay.
That's real because like you do have a Facebook page.
I do have my Facebook page.
People can send you texts.
Like even if you're not friends.
So that's actually possible, you know?
What do you mean possible?
It's...
It happened. It happened, right?
But guys, please don't go to the Facebook and search my account.
You probably won't be able to find it.
Really?
Yeah. Probably not.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Okay.
Hello.
Hello.
My name is Shandon.
Hello.
Hello.
Congratulations on 200,000 subscribers to your YouTube channel.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I have a question for you two.
Okay.
This is the ultimate choice, but...
This is the ultimate question.
Wow, again.
A life where you can't have friends for the rest of your life.
Okay.
A life where you can't date for the rest of your life.
If you can only experience one of the two, which one would you choose?
I want to know the reason.
I will continue to support you.
From Shandon.
That's an easy question.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's a very easy question for me.
I would choose...
A...
I would choose love.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Oh, can you explain that?
Because it's human nature to want to have children.
Okay.
With a best friend, with the same sex, you can't generate kids, right?
But with a female partner, you can have kids.
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Yeah.
So that's a completely different argument, right?
Okay.
But you can have your children if you're not in love with somebody.
What do you mean?
I mean, like, it's not about love.
I mean, there's some...
A date, marriage, and...
Ah, wait.
Can you read me the question again?
Okay.
The ultimate choice is a life where you can't be friends for the rest of your life,
and a life where you can't date for the rest of your life.
So you're saying that you can still...
You can...
Yeah, it's kind of tricky.
You can still have babies if you don't love them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is your solution, right?
Yeah, like...
Right.
Well, that's a good point.
You can't be friends for the rest of your life.
You can't date for the rest of your life.
Wow.
Still, I would choose the...
I would still choose the romance.
Okay.
Yeah, I would.
I would still choose romance.
Because if you're like... if you're like 50 years old,
I feel like... I've never been a 50-year-old, so I don't know,
but a female and a male, I don't think would really feel different.
They all feel like you're friends now, that's what I would feel like.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Your partner will start to feel like your friend.
Yeah.
Don't you think?
So you can...
You will never have usual...
Right.
Your partner is going to...
Your love with a partner will transform into a...
Okay.
A similar feeling with a you, Joe.
Right?
Okay.
So I think you can...
You can get both.
But your friendship with another guy would never turn out to be a love feeling.
So, there you go.
Okay.
What do you think?
Hmm.
Yeah.
It's tough, huh?
Mm-hmm.
What's making it tough?
Well, I mean, if you chose the second one, then you won't have any friend.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Isn't that tough for you?
But you have your lover.
Yeah.
But that's only the love.
Mm-hmm.
You can still, like, go outside with your lover.
You can make music with your lover, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
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I mean, I can go out with somebody and I can make music with somebody with that friendship.
Mm-hmm.
So, it doesn't have to be a friendship.
Okay.
But...
Hmm.
I do feel like we're understanding the question in a different way.
Okay.
Right?
I don't know how, but we are kind of...
I do feel like we're interpreting it in a little bit of a different way.
Okay.
Don't you think?
Yeah, maybe.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
I mean, you say the love is going to be turning into usual.
Yeah.
But...
In this condition, that cannot be happening.
You can't feel the usual.
Yeah.
Is what you're saying, right?
It's going to be always aijou.
It's always going to be aijou.
Yeah.
Even with that, I would choose the aijou.
Love?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
What if that love will be broken?
You don't care?
No.
You don't care?
Let's just maybe find a new one then.
Okay.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Maybe I prefer the friendship then.
That's okay.
This is the first time ever that we've actually...
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Did not make a unilateral...
Did not...
Ah.
Shit.
What was the word?
Consensus.
Consensus.
Did not reach a consen...
Wait, is that the right English?
Did not reach a consensus.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I mean, it's already a tough situation, so I do can understand your thought.
But...
Like, if I don't...
If I won't have any...
Like, one typical partner...
I think I will be happy.
Like, live life happily with my friends.
But if I don't have any friends...
Mm-hmm.
I think my life will be not that happy.
Really?
Yeah, even I don't...
Even I have the one I...
I mean, love it.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's the difference between us.
Yeah, that's the difference, right?
Yeah.
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Right.
Like, ultimately, I don't need any...
Yeah.
...partner...
Mm-hmm.
...if I have friends.
Really?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, I will have...
I will be able to have kids and family...
...even if we are not in love.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that I understand.
Yeah.
But maybe that's...
Maybe I already...
I mean, we already know, but I already know what love is.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm not, like, interested in experience...
Mm-hmm.
...experiencing what love is.
Mm-hmm.
But you've also experienced friendship, too.
Yeah.
So you know both sides.
Yeah, I mean, for me, it seems like friendship is something can be go...
...can go...
I mean, go...
It's really hard to explain...
...even in Japanese, but friendship can go...
...anywhere.
Like, go deep and...
...and go in a different...
...different...
...you know...
...you know what I'm saying?
But love is...
...as you told me, that love will be turned to different...
...different kind of feeling if you will be deepened.
Yeah.
Like, falling in love is just one...
...it's a kind of short-term feeling for me.
Mm-hmm.
So I prefer that long-term friendship.
Yeah, maybe that's that what I felt.
Mm-hmm.
Like, even if I don't fall in love, I will be able to have relationship with other people...
Mm-hmm.
...and build something with them.
Yeah, that's the reason I prefer the friendship.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I feel like friendship and romance...
Mm-hmm.
...I may be wrong.
I'm still...
I only still...
I only...
I only dipped my head into this a little bit, so I'm not sure...
Mm-hmm.
...if this is the right analogy.
But like, I feel like romance and friendship are...
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They're both...
...fulfilling your...
...your desire of acceptance.
Okay.
You want to be accepted by other people.
Mm-hmm.
They're both origins of those feelings.
Okay.
Want to be accepted, right?
Mm-hmm.
And I feel like romance has a much higher...
...much higher degree of acceptance...
Okay.
...in it.
And friendship is thinner, lighter.
Okay.
So, I would...
That's why I'd go with the lay-eye version.
Okay.
You'd feel deeply connected.
You feel more connected with the person on the other end.
Okay.
So, I feel like with only friendship, you won't be able to get to that level...
Mm-hmm.
...level of connection.
You won't be able to get to that level of acceptance.
Mm-hmm.
You feel the level of acceptance and...
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
You understand?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do kind of understand that.
Yeah.
It's a little different story, but...
...when we talk about life...
Mm-hmm.
...you...
I'm always...
...like sometimes I feel like you...
...mentioned about that acceptance feeling...
Oh.
...is...
...you know...
...some keywords...
Yeah.
...for you maybe.
Mm-hmm.
But actually for me, I...
...feeling of acceptance.
Hmm.
Like for me, friendship and romance is not like acceptance...
Okay.
...of myself.
Mm-hmm.
So, that's maybe different...
Right.
...like the position, maybe.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Let me guess.
Okay.
It's the thing that...
It's the thing that layers on top of what you're already satisfied with.
Like you don't need friendship or...
...nor romance for you to be happy.
Mm-hmm.
But what it enriches your life, though.
Having it enriches your life, but it's not a necessity for you to be happy.
Mm-hmm.
What was that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean...
Can you say that again?
Friendship and romance enriches your life.
Yes.
It makes you happier, but it's not a necessity for you to be happy.
Ah, right, right.
That's what I think.
Mm-hmm.
But you don't think so.
I agree.
No, no, I think so.
I take the same position as you do.
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Okay.
I can self-fulfill my happiness.
Mm-hmm.
I don't need friendship or romance to be happy.
Okay.
But like...
No, I take that back.
I think I need friendship.
I think I need friendship to be happy.
Okay.
Which then...
Because, remember the last Kyukyoku no Question?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like, "Do you want to take to friendship?"
I'm like, "Yeah."
I do need friendship to have that connection with other human beings.
Mm-hmm.
So...
I agree with you on the fact that...
No, wait.
Yeah.
Yeah, I kind of understand you.
Let me guess about you.
Okay.
That you think that the romance includes the friendship, no?
Yeah, it goes through a friendship phase.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, when you fall in love, you have to...
Some kind of feeling of friendship.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
So that, for you, the romance is the bigger...
Uh-huh.
...compared to the friendship.
Yes, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
But that's a...
Oh, we can...
That was a great argument, right?
It's really rare that we take different positions on a topic like this.
We usually agree, but this was a rare episode, I think.
Yeah.
We actually got to really argue from deep inside.
Yeah, it was really fun.
Right.
All right.
Thanks for listening, guys.
Bye-bye.
