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9月2日 おはようございます。藤原ヒロです。 Good morning. I am Hiro Fujiwara.
藤原ヒロのなんなんやろ。この番組は夫のボー氏、友達のしーさんとの雑談系ポッドキャスト番組です。 This program is a podcast program with my husband's husband, my friend's son.
今回はかなり遡って、6月13日に収録した雑談です。 This podcast was recorded on June 13th.
とても雑な知識で、適当に心理テストをしているという、いつ配信してもいいやーっていう内容だったので、うっかり3ヶ月ぐらい経ってしまいました。 It was a very rough knowledge, and I was doing a psychological test at random, so it was about 3 months ago.
適当でもいいから、自分も心理テストやってみようかなという方は、今すぐA4の用紙と鉛筆をご用意ください。 If you want to do a psychological test, please prepare an A4 paper and a pencil right now.
絵を描いてくださいっていうやつやったじゃないですか。 I did a drawing test, didn't I?
心理テスト? Psychological test?
そう、あれちょっとね、触れるの忘れてたなって思って。 Yeah, I forgot to touch it.
そやそや。 Yeah.
あれ、後語りで結果喋りますわって言ったけど、私の記憶が曖昧すぎて、いろいろ間違ってたというか、描いてもらうものもただの気を描いてくださいじゃなくて、身のなる気を描いてくださいっていうテストをやったらしくて、ちょっと違うから、今日改めてやってみてもいいですか? Can I try it again today?
やってみたい。 I want to try it.
で、これ一応ね、なんか、あんまりにもふわっとしてる情報、私の中であんまりにもふわっとしてたんで、一回ネットで調べたんですよ、これ何のテストやったっけなって思って。 So, this is just a piece of information that was too vague for me, so I looked it up on the internet. What kind of test was this?
で、やっぱ、もちろん心理テスト、ちゃんとしたその心理学の現場で使われるような臨床的なテストらしいんですけど、 Well, of course, it's a psychological test, a clinical test that is used on the spot,
なんかね、私がそのテレビとかどっかのこう記事とかで簡単な情報として仕入れたやつなんで、大元がHTPテストっていうものか、なんかバウムテストっていうものなのかどっちかわかんないなって思う。 I don't know if it's a HTP test or a Baum test.
そういうなんかね、心理学の方向で調べていくと、むやみやたらにそれこそやって、素人判断はどうのみたいな感じはあるんですけど、それをめちゃくちゃもっとライトな感じでやりますね。 I mean, if you look at it from a psychological point of view, it's like you're just going to do it without thinking, and you're not going to make an amateur judgment.
これは一応そのね、HTPテストっていう方向を遊びとしてやるっていう回にします。 I'm going to do this as a play.
これは家と樹木と人物を書いてもらうことで、深層心理を調べるっていう性格検査らしいんですよ。 This is a personality test where you ask people to draw a house, a tree, and a person.
この間は、木と家を書いてくださいってざっくり言ったんですけど、そうじゃなくて、それこそA4の紙一枚に、本当は鉛筆で全部、家も樹木も人物も一枚の絵の中に書いてくださいっていうテストらしいですね。 I said, please draw a tree and a house the other day, but it's not like that, it's a piece of A4 paper with a pencil. Please draw a house, a tree, and a person in one picture.
なるほどな。 I see.
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なので、本当は鉛筆がいいけど、私今手元に鉛筆がない。 So, actually, a pencil is good, but I don't have a pencil in my hand right now.
鉛筆あります。 I have a pencil.
あります?じゃあ鉛筆で書いてください。ボー氏にはボールペンで書いてもらいます。 Do you have a pencil? Then please write with a pencil. You can use a ballpoint pen for the hat.
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You're writing it separately?
Yes.
The SHTP test is a method of writing a person's name on a piece of paper.
So what I'm going to do now is the SHTP test.
So it's not an HTP test, it's an SHTP test.
I'll correct it.
Yes.
As a point of caution,
people who are not confident in their drawings may be confused,
so it's better to draw a picture that you've worked hard on than a picture that you're good at.
Please draw a picture that you've worked hard on.
Please draw a picture that you've worked hard on.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So it's not about being realistic,
it's about drawing a person or a house or a tree in your heart.
Is there no more restriction on the number of breaths?
I think so.
I think so.
Yes.
This is amazing.
I'm looking at it randomly,
so there's a great possibility that it's wrong.
This time,
This time,
I'm going to draw a house, a tree, and a person on a piece of paper.
Yes.
Maybe...
Maybe...
You don't have to do that.
If it's random...
If you don't know, you don't have to do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Let's do it randomly.
If you don't know...
Let's do it randomly.
Well...
What's the result?
In order, please draw a house first.
Please draw a house now.
Yes, I'll draw a house.
Yes.
Sideways? Vertically?
You can draw it however you like.
Yes, please draw it however you like.
I'll do my best.
Please draw it as hard as you can.
Yes.
For the house, please draw a chimney, too.
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Yes.
You're so fast.
I'm done.
Are you done?
Yes.
Next, please draw a tree.
Yes.
Anything is fine.
A tree is a tree with a trunk, but...
Can I draw a tree without a trunk?
It's difficult.
As a concept...
I'm not sure about the result.
Anything is fine.
Doesn't it look like an important point?
As long as I see the result...
I don't think I need to draw a tree.
If I don't have a tree, I don't need to draw a tree.
I think it's better to have a tree.
As a result...
I got the result.
Yes.
The chaos of the hat is amazing.
It looks like chaos.
It looks like chaos.
It's really chaos right now.
Lastly, I'd like you to draw a person.
Please draw a whole body, not a human being.
It's difficult.
What do you mean?
It's difficult.
It's not a human being.
It's not a drawing of a person.
It's a drawing of a person.
Isn't it the same?
There's a big difference in expression.
Maybe I should draw clothes, too.
It's up to you.
Okay.
I should draw a face, too.
You can draw a face.
I'm done.
Okay.
Can you take a picture of it and share it on LINE?
I sent it.
Okay.
You balance the whole paper, right?
You put it on the screen.
That's right.
If you're listening to this,
If you want to try it,
Please pause for a moment.
I think it would be nice to draw a picture.
In order, draw a house.
Draw a tree.
Draw a tree.
Person.
Person.
I'm going to tell you the result now.
Please pause for a moment.
So, the result.
It may not be accurate.
I'll tell you what I think.
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First of all,
Let's look at the size and pressure of the whole picture.
This is...
I drew a lot of paper.
The pressure is solid.
I think Mr. C is like that.
That's right.
The pressure is solid.
That's right.
I drew a lot of paper.
This is...
It is stable because it can control the mind,
It seems to be in a slightly introverted state.
I don't know why it's introverted.
Even though it's stable.
If you draw a lot of paper, but the pressure is weak,
It seems to be in a state where it is forced to act energetically.
I didn't think of the option of not drawing a lot of paper.
The hat is partially drawn now.
It's about this.
It's very tilted.
Really?
It's about half the height of the paper.
I was going to draw it in a square.
Draw it in a square?
That's right.
I see.
I was going to draw it in a square.
I'm using A4 paper vertically,
I drew it while thinking about making it a square.
I think the hat has a smaller picture overall.
The picture is small and the pressure is strong.
It's a ballpoint pen.
I don't think the pressure is that weak.
This is also in a slightly introverted state that can control itself and is stable.
I think the person who drew this is wrong.
Then it's just a random person.
People who draw a lot of paper are not extroverted.
It's strange that it's exactly the same.
That's true.
That's a little random, too.
I'm sorry.
Please look for it.
Please look for it.
Does it make sense to ask?
I guess the smaller the picture, the more introverted you are.
Perfect.
If the picture is small overall and the pressure is weak,
it seems to be in a weak state of mind.
Also, is there a place where the picture is cut?
It means that there is an unsolved problem or conflict in the pattern shown in the picture.
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But the two are not so cut off.
It's not on the screen?
The top of the tree is cut off.
I see.
Both are neatly settled, so it's probably okay.
What if the tree is cut off?
I think it's a story about the pattern that the tree and the house symbolize.
I think it's all.
Please listen to half of the story.
Does it make sense to do it?
Well, well, well.
First, about the house.
The size of the house represents the value of the family to you.
If the house is small for God, you think you don't need a family.
If the house is big, the value of the family is high, and you prioritize your family over your job.
The size of the house is amazing.
It's like a tree house.
I see.
What is this?
What did you imagine when you drew the hat?
I thought it would be a tree house if it was a house and a tree.
I'm scared.
It's like a birdcage.
I'm sorry.
So you were really going to draw a tree as the main character.
The size of the house.
If it was just a house, I'd draw a house.
If it was just a house, it would have been bigger?
Yeah.
If the house was the main character.
C's house is pretty big, isn't it?
That's right.
It's a pretty big house.
I think this is the size of the house I would draw.
If I were to draw a house, a tree, and a person, this is the size of the house I would draw.
I drew it with the feeling of a house I want to live in.
I think I'll definitely draw it like that.
That's right.
I want to see it.
Tree house sounds fun.
As a result of C, the value of the family is very high.
It's about windows and doors.
The more windows and doors there are, the more human relationships there are.
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There are a lot of windows.
There are a lot of windows.
I want to incorporate light into the windows.
It's very active in human relationships.
The house has no windows and only one door, so it's very closed.
But isn't the role different?
For example, when the windows are completely closed.
Let's go to the one that's open.
It's open.
When it's completely closed, I don't want to be stepped on by others more than necessary.
It's not that bad.
The second floor is okay.
When there's a curtain on the window.
It's hanging.
It's not closed, but it's hanging.
I want to have a relationship with someone, but I don't want to show my true feelings.
It's hanging.
It's like a person from Kyoto.
It's hanging.
I'm holding it with a ribbon.
But from the perspective of wanting to live in a house like this, I think I understand it.
Psychologically, that's what happens.
So it's an element that can be placed on the window.
Chimneys show affection from others.
The higher the chimney, the higher the demand for others.
The height?
Yes, the height.
It's a similar height.
If it's a chimney like a bathhouse.
It's really high.
Is there anyone who writes such a house?
It's like you're asking for a lot.
Is there smoke coming out?
This is...
C-san, it's coming out.
C-san, it's coming out.
It's coming out a lot.
I know it's dark.
Is there a hole in the top of the chimney?
Tree leaves?
Is it a hole in the chimney?
I don't know because the perspective is messed up.
It's not coming out.
This means that if there's smoke coming out, it's asking for affection.
Three of them are coming out.
But it's not asking for a hat at all.
It's not coming out.
You're right.
You're right.
Next, trees.
As you can see from the picture of the tree,
this is an unconscious self-portrait.
If the whole tree is big,
I think both of you will enter the big one.
It's rich inside.
The thickness of the trunk shows the stability of the interior.
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The picture with a solid root has a more stable interior.
Both of you are probably...
It's a pretty solid picture, isn't it?
Yes.
I don't think it's enough to support the house.
It's pretty solid, isn't it?
The tree of the hat.
It's enough to support the house.
Next, leaves.
Leaves indicate the relationship between oneself and others.
The more leaves there are, the more sensitive people they are.
But the tree is very soft.
It's very soft.
It looks like a lot of leaves,
but the way the hat is drawn is really good.
It's like an afro.
It's all leaves, isn't it?
It's all leaves.
Then it's a relationship, isn't it?
I think it's a relationship.
Next, flowers and fruits.
You can draw flowers, too.
Flowers indicate the opposite sex.
Fruits indicate children.
The more flowers there are, the more interested they are.
If you don't have to draw a hat, you don't have to draw a hat at all.
I'm not interested.
Mr. Hoshii has a lot of flowers, so he's very interested.
I only know the image of cherry blossoms.
Is that so?
I have a flower of a tree in my garden.
That's a small tree.
I only have the image of a big tree.
I have a flower of a big tree.
Like cedar?
Cedar also has a flower.
I don't know.
It comes out from there.
If this tree is a dead tree,
Some people draw dead trees.
It's like winter.
This person feels inferiority and powerlessness.
Some people draw broken branches and trunks.
If there is a hole in the tree,
If there is a hole in the tree, it means there is a trauma.
In that sense, the two are quite stable.
If you were good at drawing, you might have drawn Uro.
Uro is difficult.
You can tell if the tree is drawn in the center of the paper or on the right or left.
C is on the right.
If you draw on the right side of the paper,
You are unconsciously trying to dominate the other person.
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The hat is...
It's above.
It's not above.
It's in the middle.
It's drawn more to the left than in the middle.
It's not in the middle.
It's a little to the left.
It is said that there is a tendency to escape from reality internally and externally.
Internally and externally?
It is said that there is a tendency to escape from reality internally and externally.
If the tree is drawn in the center of the paper,
It is said to be mentally stable.
There are so many elements.
What you can tell from a person is...
It is said that it shows the self-image and feelings for others that you are aware of.
The picture of a person to God...
Are they both small?
It's small.
There is a house.
It's small.
Compared to the house...
In proportion to the house...
It's like this.
It's realistic.
It might be a little big.
It was difficult for people.
Both people are drawing people in proportion to the size of the house.
That's right.
Is it realistic?
It's realistic.
If the picture of a person to God is big,
It is said that it has confidence in itself, is active, and has a firm self-assertion.
On the contrary, if it is small, it has no confidence and has low self-assertion.
This area is a little realistic.
I matched the size.
Mine is smaller.
Overall, it's small.
Isn't the hat too big for the size of the house?
That's true.
For the size of the house...
I can't draw the size of this house.
When the person is running or waving his hand...
Is Mr. C waving his hand?
He is waving his hand.
When he is waving his hand, he is full of energy.
I am very satisfied.
He is full of energy.
On the contrary, when he is injured or sick,
It is said that he feels that you are also having a problem with that area.
The hat is a little...
The person is climbing the house.
This is cute.
It's cute.
I'm just looking far away.
He is looking far away.
He is really looking far away.
It's a tree house.
It's like someone is coming from over there.
This is a self-portrait that he is aware of.
It's cute.
He is aware that he is looking far away.
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It's a tree house.
So,
There are other elements in the picture.
If there is a thorn in the picture,
Both of them don't have thorns.
This is feminine.
It seems to depend on people.
Both of them don't have thorns.
And a bird.
Both of them don't have a bird.
In the case of a bird, it seems that it has hope in a cheerful mood.
I thought I could draw a bird.
Even though you weren't told?
Even though I wasn't told.
If there is a bird here, I think it will be a good balance.
It's like a painting.
It's like a painting.
When I think of the sky, I want to draw a bird.
In my work, I often draw birds in the sky.
I think I can draw a bird.
When there is an empty bird,
It seems to have a sense of loss and helplessness.
Isn't it amazing to draw an empty bird?
Because it's a tree.
I think I can draw a bird on a tree.
I think I can draw a bird on a tree.
I think so, too.
Don't you have a river?
Is the river a different theme?
I don't have a river here.
I saw a test to add a lake.
It's a different test.
It's a psychological depiction.
There is, but it's not in this explanation.
If you draw a beehive,
It seems to have a goodwill to others.
It seems to expect goodwill from others.
The treehouse is not a beehive.
No, no, no.
I'm a beehive.
The birdhouse and the beehive are different.
That's right.
If you draw a small insect,
You two don't have one, do you?
The birdhouse is dependent and immature.
It seems to be self-sustaining.
I see.
I don't think it's in my mind.
It's a small insect.
You don't have a mountain, do you?
No, I don't.
If you draw a mountain, you can't leave your parents.
You two don't draw the sun, do you?
No, I don't.
For example, if there is a sun on the right and a shadow on the left,
It seems to be the result of trying to understand yourself and take a step forward.
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Conversely, if there is a sun on the left and a shadow on the right,
It seems to be in a state full of motivation.
And clouds and rain.
You two don't have clouds or rain, do you?
No, I don't.
I should have drawn clouds.
But I'm glad I didn't draw clouds.
Is it negative?
When clouds and rain are drawn, it seems to be doing a hidden job.
I see.
So it's not just what you're told.
It means to draw a picture that includes it.
That's right.
But I don't think I'll draw it on my own.
I don't think I'll draw it on my own.
Even if you say something so simple as a topic,
I don't think you'll want to draw it.
I'm already wearing a hat.
It was so small that I couldn't tell.
Is that a hat?
A black hat.
I thought it was an Iwaguri.
I thought it was an Iwaguri.
I have a cane in my hand.
Is that a cane?
I thought it was something.
I think it's an element that you want to draw on your own.
I was going to do this.
I was told to draw as hard as I could.
If I had more time, I might have drawn more.
I might have started drawing laundry.
The story is gradually being created.
When you're surrounded by flowers, butterflies, insects, and insects,
When you're surrounded by flowers, butterflies, insects, and insects,
In this case, you want to be pampered.
This is scary.
A black frame.
If you draw a black frame on the picture,
It seems to have a desire to commit suicide.
It's like a house.
It's like a house.
When there's a cloudy sky and fog.
I think it's hard to draw this.
The fog is quite difficult to draw.
This is a sad and painful feeling that the relationship with the outside world is not going well.
Each person has a different style of drawing.
The state of being drawn.
Including the pressure of drawing.
Each house, tree, and person.
If you look at each of them more psychologically,
There are a lot of elements that you can understand.
I think there was something about whether or not to draw the ground.
There's a lot of information about that.
I'll leave it at that for this time.
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It was interesting.
Please let me know if you can understand it.
I think it's best to go to a clinic with a clinical psychologist and do it properly.
Including the family.
It's probably easy to introduce it on TV.
It's rough, but it's roughly like this.
I'd like to do it with my husband.
Please do it.
Do you know?
I don't know.
I don't think I know.
It's easy to understand.
When I asked you to draw a house, a tree, and a person,
I didn't know how big the house was.
The house is really small.
I thought I'd just have to know that.
Is it a treehouse?
Chimney and smoke.
That's right.
You came up with the idea of a treehouse.
Is it a house you admire?
I wouldn't say I admire it.
If it's a set, I think so.
If it's a set, I don't think so.
Both of you were very convincing.
Right?
Right?
I understand.
I understand very well.
Maybe you have a desire to climb.
Maybe I have a desire to climb.
To a high place?
I want to climb a high place.
That's what kids do, right?
For me, going down the mountain is more fun.
It's only hard to climb.
But it's more fun to climb, right?
It's more fun to climb, right?
It's more fun to climb, right?
It's more fun to climb, right?
It's more fun to climb, right?
Even if you go hiking,
it's not about the scenery.
Didn't you talk about your desire to climb?
Didn't you talk about your desire to climb?
I guess so.
It's not about the scenery.
How about you, Ms. C?
I want to climb.
I want to climb.
Both of you want to climb.
The picture you drew is definitely a picture of a high hill.
That's right. It's a picture of a hill.
It's like Switzerland.
It's a picture of a hill.
I definitely drew a picture of a flat land.
I drew a picture of a tree.
It's amazing, isn't it?
The situation is amazing.
I think you're the one who's climbing the most.
I'm climbing to the top of the roof.
That's right.
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That's strange.
Why do you want to climb so much?
I want to climb when I was a little kid.
You're treating me like a little kid.
Do you remember when there was a girl who went missing?
Yes.
Do you remember when a professional volunteer came and rescued her?
It was a girl.
Was it a boy?
A boy?
It was a boy.
A professional volunteer said,
The child will climb higher and higher.
You can find her there.
When I went up there, she was there.
I see.
I feel like I remember something.
How many did you do?
I think it became a big news.
I see.
That's right.
The boy's heart...
It's instinct.
I remember.
It was Mr. Hayashi.
Mr. Zelish.
That's right, Mr. Zelish.
It was a topic with Mr. Zelish.
I've climbed Mt. Atago, but the scenery wasn't very good.
I didn't care about that.
What do you mean by the scenery?
Do you mean the scenery at the top?
That's right.
It's not a place with a good view.
It's not a place where you can look down on the town.
Mr. Atago said,
I didn't care about that.
I was satisfied with just climbing to the top.
That's the difference.
It's not because the scenery is good.
There are people who say that the scenery is the best when climbing is a topic like what is good about climbing.
It's not there.
I think I'm looking forward to it.
I feel like I want you to blame me for the scenery.
I'm not happy with climbing in the first place.
But in order to see the scenery,
I'm not interested in climbing to the point where I think I don't need this scenery.
But it's fun to go down.
Because you can go home?
Because I can go home.
It's fun to go down.
Once you know the whole picture of the road you've come down,
you can finally enjoy the scenery around you.
It's completely different.
Because you don't have an adventurous spirit.
After knowing everything,
You feel relieved.
I feel relieved.
I'm looking forward to seeing the scenery again and raising the resolution.
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I see.
It's not amazing to see a scenery you don't know.
It's fun to know it once, but it's more fun to see it again and raise the resolution.
When I went to Dubrovnik,
There's a mountain next to the city.
It's like a cable car.
It's not a gondola, but it's a cable car.
You can go to the top of it.
There were a lot of people riding it.
There's also a hiking trail.
It's a mountain where you can climb even if you walk.
It's a tourist attraction.
There's a sea, a mountain, and a town.
It's a tourist attraction, so everyone gets on the cable car.
It's about an hour away.
It's a low mountain, so I thought I'd take a walk and climb it.
I was going on a hiking trip, but I was wearing hiking shoes.
I was wearing trekking shoes, so I thought I'd take a walk and climb it.
There was no one there.
I'm the only one.
I don't think so.
It's like a gravel road.
I thought it would be hard to go there in sneakers or sandals.
There was no one there.
Did you have fun?
It was fun.
I came all the way here, and I was wondering why I had to ride a gondola.
I came all the way here, but I thought it would be a waste if I didn't climb with my feet.
It was fun to walk along the way.
It was fun to climb along the way.
When I got home, I walked down the mountain.
There were a lot of people up there, and they were waiting for the cable car.
Do you think you should climb it if you're a tourist attraction?
I've been to Dubrovnik.
I had a completely different way of spending my time.
Can't you climb a mountain?
I ate and drank.
I've been there a lot.
I've been there three or four times.
I ate and drank at a restaurant with a nice view.
Is that in the old town?
It's in the old town.
It's like a theme park.
It's like a real Disneyland.
It's like a stone city.
I don't know what you're talking about, but it's like Dejima in Nagasaki.
It's like a city in contact with the sea.
It's like a pig in Kurenai.
It's like a model for Ghibli.
It's like a port town.
It's like a port town.
I haven't eaten anything in there.
On the contrary, I think they're both on a journey to see what they're going to do.
For me, I don't feel like I'm eating.
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But I did drink at night.
I went to the next city where the drama Game of Thrones was filmed.
I think it's a part of the scene.
I think it's coming out.
It's like a fortress city.
But I climbed a mountain.
I like to climb.
I can't choose.
It's written on the map.
I can't choose.
I like to climb the stairs among the three of us.
Don't you know there was a cable car?
I don't know.
Oh, really?
Is it new?
I think I've been there before Game of Thrones.
I don't think so.
It was about 10 years ago.
It's been more than 10 years.
It's been 15 years.
Don't you even remember there was a mountain?
Yeah.
There was definitely a mountain.
There was a mountain as a view.
I didn't want to go up.
You didn't?
I think I was able to do it later.
There was a cable car at the entrance of the city.
It was close to the city.
Didn't you think of climbing if there was no cable car?
I was in the same room as the hotel where I stayed.
I was told by an Australian that I had climbed a mountain.
So I decided to go.
Me too.
I thought I'd give it a try.
I wouldn't have known if you hadn't told me.
But I saw the map and there was a mountain trail.
I thought I could do it.
Oh, really?
I couldn't find the entrance to the mountain trail, so I couldn't go at first.
The sensor sensitivity was also high.
There was something you could climb.
If I couldn't climb it, I'd climb it.
I don't think it's a mental improvement.
I don't think so.
I don't think it's a mental goal.
It's just fun to climb.
Physically.
I don't think it's possible for three people to climb.
I was alone.
You had to be careful.
You weren't alone, were you?
It was just the two of us.
The shoes weren't trekking shoes.
The shoes were like sandals.
You can't do that.
Even if you know, you can't do that.
But I want to climb a mountain.
It's impossible for a while.
It's impossible for a while, but I want to climb it.
So when I get back, I'd love to.
By all means.
First of all, from Daimonji.
From Daimonji.
See you later.
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It's hard to say.
Isn't there Takamatsu?
There seems to be a lot of mountains that are easy to climb.
There are a lot, aren't there?
Yashima is the same.
You can climb it.
Yashima is...
I can climb it, but...
Is there a mountain trail?
I've seen people climbing along the car road.
While walking on the sidewalk.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's near the road.
But it looks like there's a hiking trail.
It's about as far as I got off the horse.
I got off the horse.
Yoshitsune in Minamoto.
That's right.
You can climb it.
There are a lot of mountains that look just right.
I want to go there soon.
Yeah.
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