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Welcome to Kevin's English Room Podcast!
Thank you for the coffee.
How's that?
You want some?
Let me taste it again.
Yep.
It is very hot.
Yeah.
I think it's...
Yeah.
So you can tell the taste, right?
It's hard...
It's really hot.
It's really hard to taste when it's hotter.
Don't you think so?
I think so too.
It's...
I'm gonna go with...
Dark roast.
No.
It's quite medium.
Medium roast.
Okay, got it.
That's what you were thinking about, right?
That's what I meant.
It just slipped out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It just came out wrong.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I meant it.
Medium.
Okay.
It tastes like the coffee that I know.
Yeah.
This is the coffee that I know.
Yeah, it's really like quite usual, like normal medium.
Yeah.
Like mild.
Right, right.
Balanced coffee.
I'm a little bit tired right now, so it feels good.
It feels good on my body.
Oh, nice, nice.
Yeah.
So I found this book.
So I found this book in your shelf.
Yep.
It says, "Cheese wa doko e kieta?"
Yeah.
Spencer Johnson?
Yep.
I think I've heard of this book before.
I've never read it.
I mean, I don't read any books, but...
But I think I saw some television program introducing this book.
What is it about?
It's about...
You know, it was kind of a long time ago that I read that.
So I'm sorry if I don't remember correctly, but...
Yeah.
It was about setting the goal of your life.
Oh, wow.
Deeper than I thought.
Oh, yeah.
Very deeper than I thought, okay?
So that's something maybe you're...
And I'm very interested in that kind of topic.
Yeah, I think so, too.
So this is a story about the man who is in the maze.
Okay.
Like, you know, it's...
Imaginary maze.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
It's the real one.
It's a real maze.
You know, it's a fantasy.
And he is in a, like, physically...
Literally in the maze.
Okay, okay, okay.
With actual walls in front of him.
Yeah.
Okay.
And he's so hungry and cold.
And no foods are, like, around him.
Okay.
And trying to survive in that maze.
And one day he found a little piece of cheese.
Okay.
And he ate that.
Okay.
And he is happy.
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Okay.
And he found that somewhere in this maze there are so many pieces of cheese.
So he starts to find that.
And go, you know, looking for cheese.
He starts to wander.
Okay, okay.
Go around.
Okay.
And in that story he will be meeting with one guy and two mice.
Okay.
Mice, yeah.
Yeah.
And then, you know, story goes.
And he's gonna find the things.
Things.
Yeah.
About, you know, it's a...
例えば話?
Mm-hmm.
You know.
The book, the story is about a man in a maze and trying to find a cheese, a piece of cheese.
But, you know, it's actually about, say, like, telling about, like, me and you in the real world.
And trying to find a goal.
Maybe cheese can be money.
Can be a...
What?
House, maybe?
The love, maybe?
Prestige, maybe?
Yeah.
All the stuffs.
And he will find...
Finally, at the last.
He finds the cheese.
I mean...
The goal.
The goal.
Yeah.
Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Wait, wait, wait.
So, I just want to make sure I got this right.
Okay.
So, he's in a maze.
And he's hungry.
Yeah.
He wants a lot of things.
Yeah.
He finds a cheese.
He finds cheese.
But only he can find is cheese.
There's no other things.
Cheese is the only thing he can find.
Okay.
So, but he finds lots of cheese, right?
At the beginning, yeah.
At the beginning, he finds lots of cheese as he's walking everywhere, wandering around.
He finds lots of cheese.
And he wants more and more cheese.
Yeah.
All right?
But suddenly, there's no more cheese.
He can't find any more cheese.
Right.
Okay.
And he has to think about what is happening and why is this happening, you know.
And?
And, you know, the story is just like this.
But that turns to me in my situation, you know, the author's saying or telling that, like, don't waste things.
You know, you have to storage something.
Like, the man at the time thinks that, oh, I should have saved my cheese at some places so that I can eat that.
You won't be hungry.
Right.
So, the book is trying to tell you to save up your assets?
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That's one point.
And the story goes on.
And sorry, I don't remember the real details.
But, you know, like, then he will find a little different cheese, like, looks different, like not yellow, maybe blue cheese.
And at first, he don't want to eat that because it smells.
Yeah.
It looks different.
But one day he tried that and actually it was really, really good.
Okay.
So, he found that trying new things is really good things, you know, that can be applied to my world, right?
Right.
You can't, you have to try it first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Before you decide it for yourself.
Like, it can be like quitting from the company and try starting new things, you know.
It's really, you need courage to do that.
But, you know, that's about those things.
And, you know, the story goes, he finds so many like these little tips and things.
And at last, at that last part, he will find the essence, like the essential point.
Wait, can you not share that?
No, of course not.
What?
You should read this.
No, I don't read books.
Oh, then you can maybe, okay, let me read then.
Okay.
Okay, okay, hold on.
I really want to know what it is.
Okay.
The essential part.
Yeah, but you should read that.
You should read that.
Nah.
So, you know, it's my interpretation.
Right, right.
But maybe if you read this, that will be completely different, you know.
It will change.
So, so, so, so, okay.
Oh, sorry, it was a man called Michael.
Michael, yeah.
That man is telling a story and sharing that story with like the classmate.
Okay, okay, okay, got it, got it, got it.
The old classmate.
Got it, got it, got it.
Okay, so it wasn't the real story, but anyways.
So, that last part of that story.
Okay.
Okay.
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That's going to be a little bit long.
So, okay, how about you just give us a hint.
Hint, okay.
Or like a little bit of the juice.
Sure.
Okay.
The important thing is find the way by yourself and think about yourself by yourself.
Your own.
Okay, okay.
And it has to be always you who decides your way and decides where to go is what is important.
Okay.
That is something that I cannot do for you.
Right, right, right.
So.
That's kind of like the little juice of the ending.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
The little juice, right?
Yeah.
Sounds like the kind of story I would enjoy.
Yeah, I think so.
You should definitely like maybe audio.
Maybe I'll do like a YouTube.
Yeah.
Maybe I'll search that on YouTube.
Maybe there's like a video version.
Yeah, yeah.
Because it's a real famous book, so.
Assuming it is.
Yeah.
It must be there on YouTube.
Right, right.
And also.
You know, it's not like tip books, kind of tip books.
So it's not say all the things clearly.
It's just episode.
It just makes you think.
Yeah.
Yeah, literally it's me who interpret that story and it's me who think about that.
Right.
So, you know, you should read that.
They're not going to tell you any answers or anything.
Right, right.
They'll just give you the situation and it's up to you how to look at that through your glasses.
Right.
So.
Yeah.
I like these kind of books.
Yeah.
Right.
I'll try to take that out.
Yeah.
On my way back home.
Yeah.
I'll search for that.
And also there's a cheese.
This is a one.
But there's a number two.
It was apple.
Maybe.
Who moved my apple?
I think that was apple.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
I'm going to show the YouTube.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who moved my cheese by Spencer Johnson.
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All right.
Thanks for listening guys.
Bye bye.
