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What's up, amazing people? This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami. In this radio,
we're going to talk about random topics in Okinawan, Japanese, and English.
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沖縄の観光に対する住民の意見
The Okinawa Development Finance Corporation has released its 2024 survey on domestic travel to Okinawa.
According to the results, 45.3% of Okinawa residents said they welcome
or somewhat welcome tourists, 18.6 points higher than the national average.
However, 44.6% also reported that negative impacts on daily life, such as congestion,
are occurring or somewhat occurring, a figure 27.1 points higher than the national average.
These findings highlight a growing tension. While visitors are welcomed,
the strain on residents' quality of life is becoming increasingly apparent.
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or like a party or the concert and then you need to wear some formal wear or you
cannot wear sandals. It depends on the specific location I think for
Asian is like if you go out you have to dress up right not for I think
especially mainland Japanese and Korean people looks like dressed well in any
circumstance situation. It has advantages and disadvantages. They look fashionable all the time.
You have to have a good sense of fashion, but does it have to be every day?
Yeah, does it have to be anywhere?
Resort.
But that's too strong and you have to get plastic surgery.
Oh, your face? You have to get a TPO on your face?
You always have to get plastic surgery on your face, so you have to get a tattoo on your eyebrows, eyeliner, and change your face.
It's a different story, but you always have to get plastic surgery on your face.
It's better to get it done at home, even if it's inside the house.
Some of my friends does not plastic surgery, but art makeup.
Getting a tattoo on their eyes.
Put the ink in your lips so that you don't have to wear lipstick every day.
You look so fine like when you wake up.
I thought it was really convenient.
If you're busy, it might make sense.
But we keep saying European or Western, but the Western includes European and American, right?
But the American and European are so different.
To me, European people are so natural. They don't wear makeup.
Your hair is messy.
Your armpits are messy.
Your hair is messy, too.
There are a lot of foreigners who have messy hair, except for Japan.
What about armpit hair?
I think white people's armpit hair is okay.
Because you can't see it?
Because it's thin.
Golden hair.
Golden armpit hair looks nice.
It doesn't bother me to look at.
But if I grow my old armpit hair...
Really?
It's really black.
And there's a lot of hair.
You can't make it fashionable.
You can't make it fair.
I don't think this is an Asian complex.
When I went to Hong Kong,
when I took a picture like this, the lady next to me had black armpit hair.
After they shaving, they didn't shave a couple of days or they just growing?
It seems like it hasn't been shaved for years.
It was soft hair.
Four years means they don't even shave?
Not four years. Four years.
Years and years.
Or decades.
Decades is a long time.
I've never shaved my armpit hair.
Because...
I'm really curious about this.
Maybe.
Why do other people shave their armpit hair?
I've never thought about it.
On the contrary.
You're right.
And she's Asian, right?
I'm curious about what other Asian people do.
I don't know if it's because my skin is weak,
or I have a belief in something.
So does she look like a very unique type?
No, she's just an old lady.
I don't know if it's an age...
She might be...
Might have the...
What should I say?
A majority of people.
A majority of people, but she looks natural.
She doesn't have any makeup on?
I don't really care.
But that's the kind of clothes she wears, right?
No sleeves.
That's strange.
It's not like she's wearing fashion,
but she's just growing her hair.
That might be strange for Westerners.
It's not like that here.
But her arm hair is okay.
So this is a diverse vibe.
That old lady...
Her hair is the same length as her head.
That's what it means, right?
Her hair is the same length as her head.
Eyelashes and eyebrows.
Legs are shaved.
Aren't there a lot of people who shave their legs?
Americans too?
I don't know.
I don't remember.
I assume that Japanese women are the most shaved person.
How do I say this?
Besides under hair.
Under hair is a diverse vibe.
Japanese women who have experience going overseas
tend to shave everything.
But Japanese women who live in Japan
who are dating Japanese guys
are not shaving everything.
They just trim it.
I think for Japanese,
a little bit bush can be sexy.
For mysterious,
it's not revealing everything.
Shaving all is like
you become seven years...
Bold hair.
I'm sorry.
I got off track.
旅行スタイルの違い
Going back to tourists.
Yeah.
I searched about the difference
between Asian people and Western people
of how they travel.
I talked about how they wear the clothes.
Asian people tend to
have a tight schedule
and go to many places in a short time.
They take a lot of photos and videos.
Brands and souvenirs.
Comfort, cleanliness, rich.
They try local food,
but can't get used to it.
Western people tend to
move freely for a long time.
They don't care much about photos,
but focus on landscape and experience.
They are more interested in local culture
and natural experience than shopping.
They don't care about cheap hotels
or Airbnb.
They are more interested in local culture
and experience than shopping.
Do you think that's correct?
Yeah, that's true.
Accurate.
I don't think
this is based on
your own country.
When you go to Asian country,
like Southeast Asia,
there are many
dirty places.
観光と清潔さ
Yeah.
When they travel around,
they want to go to clean place.
I don't know.
They want to clean the place?
They want to go to the place
which is clean.
They are pursuing
the opposite environment.
When you go to
Western country,
it looks beautiful,
including nature and architects.
They want to go to see
different things.
They don't care about dirty places
or hostels
or dishes.
They just want to go
to see new things.
Different things.
I think so.
Non-Japanese tourist
pursuing very Japanese
hotel
or housing in Airbnb
or tatami room
which I don't want
to stay
in a hotel
if it's not really good hotel.
If you go to
Asian country,
you want to see Asian things
as a European
or Western people.
I think so.
They want to stay for a long time
because it's far.
Unless they have long vacation
for 30 days.
For Asian,
it will never happen.
Maybe 2 or 3 days.
They can stay longer
which means
they cannot spend a lot of money
to staying.
That's why they tend to
go to Airbnb.
Maybe.
Western European people
don't stick with
taking pictures.
They just want to experience
and they want to see the view.
Asian people
want to take pictures
for social media.
I think
their personality is different.
Personality.
That's true.
Personality.
Personality or
culture.
To share
what they saw
to family.
Like buying souvenirs.
お土産文化の比較
Souvenirs
are not
common in Asia.
Japanese souvenirs
culture is
the worst.
They buy a lot.
They do.
We need to buy a souvenir
to coworkers at company
or people who
I might meet on the first day
I came back to work.
I don't need it.
They might not know
that I went on a trip.
But they gave me
a souvenir.
Thank you.
I troubled you.
Good night.
That's your right.
Right.
How much
旅行経験の違い
how many times
they have done travels.
They might have
travel experience.
For example
Asian people
they haven't had
any experience of traveling.
If you go to travel,
you need to buy everything
to bring back to your family
and friends.
You need to take picture because
you might not come back here anymore.
Maybe.
It's new things
at every location.
If you have many
experience going travel,
you will
feel
same if you go shopping.
Yeah.
DFS
or outlet mall
are all same.
In my opinion,
if I go to city area
Taiwan, Korea
Hong Kong
I feel all the same.
Shopping area.
Shopping wise
and restaurant wise
there are many buildings
and many tourists.
I feel like
they are all same.
But if you go
local area
they speak differently.
They have different dishes
food and
different view.
So I feel
it's more fun.
観光とショッピングの関係
Maybe.
I see.
The place I wanna
visit if I travel
will be different for the first time
and second time.
For the first time, I'm ok with doing
very stereotypical
tourist spot
just to see as an experience.
But for the second time, maybe I won't
visiting
all of the
places is not really a thing.
I just want to
feel the vibes.
Yeah.
You have experience.
And also
where are you from?
If you come
from like a
city area
you wanna see
country vibes.
I see. You want the opposite.
If you come from
country area, you wanna see
city side.
I see.
Any other?
No.
Why is it
so different?
If you search
Asian people
care about people's eyes
don't care about clothes
white skin, cleanliness
fashion
travel
SNS
and
American
If you feel comfortable
don't care about people's eyes
nature
feel comfortable
travel
experience
So
true.
But
in Okinawa
I think
traveling is more important
than shopping.
We don't have many shopping
places.
If you wanna go shopping
you should go to Tokyo.
But you know
a lot of Asian tourists
does do Tenbai business too.
Reselling.
So every
Don Quijote
Even in Okinawa
or Tokyo
every area.
As we talked before
shopping
sales
will go to mainland Japan.
Okinawa
tourism revenue.
So
it's meaningless.
As a
tourism strategy.
If you spend
a lot of money on shopping
it won't benefit
Okinawa locals.
沖縄の観光戦略
So
we should promote
western people
tourism.
Experience.
Not buy a thing.
Prohibit taking pictures
anymore.
All over Okinawa
Prohibit SNS.
If you don't come to Okinawa
you can't experience.
It's a secret place.
You can't find it anywhere.
If you come to this area
you can't take pictures anymore.
If you make an area
I need to go there.
Isn't it like Seifa Utaki?
They cannot take a picture
anymore.
They used to
allow people to take a picture.
Seifa Utaki
is like a spiritual area.
I think not many Asian people
interested in.
They just like a trending place.
American village.
We should prohibit taking pictures
in American village.
Prohibit taking pictures
in American village.
If you do that
the photogenic pictures on the wall
will be meaningless.
Then we need to change
the business model
to promote more experience
like a workshop
not selling products.
Orion T-shirt is no good.
We only do grass netting.
We promote
that we are good at
grass netting.
It's like an experience
that you can finish in a day.
You can do a tour.
You don't need a restaurant
to cook.
You can do it
according to the trends
like vegan or organic.
Then Asian people
won't come.
But
just to see
as a tourist experience
like Western people's style
seems more like
delicate.
How can I say?
It feels like the next level.
Because they are used to traveling.
They don't need to buy things.
But I think to have
Asian tourists in
Japan and Okinawa
has much more profit.
観光と経済の関係
I'm not talking about
Okinawa local,
but Japan overall.
Because they buy things.
They have a lot of sales.
On the contrary,
Europeans
don't buy things.
They come to spend
and it's cheap.
If you ask them if they are
spending money, they might not.
If you think about it,
it's better to have people
who buy things.
The economy will go around.
That's right.
It would be nice if
Okinawa companies
could sell it.
In the end,
if we talk about the economy,
that's right.
Okinawa doesn't make money.
That's right.
Going back to the topic
観光税の導入
of over-tourism.
Yeah.
Okinawa is
considering to have
tourist purpose tax.
Yeah.
So they take the money
from the tourists
to do
tourism?
To
make profit
and to make life better
for the locals.
They take money when they
enter the place?
Because it's over-tourism tax.
Oh, I see.
Like Hawaii.
To improve the peace and
quality of tourism.
To improve the local
environment.
To increase the number of
facilities and to make the city
more beautiful.
To make it better.
So,
the tourists from overseas
don't have to pay the tax.
Yeah.
So they are paying the tax
like an idiot.
I sometimes wonder
what it is.
If they don't have to pay the tax,
観光の質と地域の影響
it's more difficult
for the tourists to make money.
To improve the road
or to have the government
to give the money.
To Okinawa?
To Okinawa's family?
Or
to make the tax free.
I see.
To reduce the tax.
What is
restricted
for the local people?
To improve the road
might be a good thing.
Of course.
But there should be
more money to use.
Already.
True.
But
this
small tourism
might be a problem
for everyone.
Yeah.
In Cambodia,
they made it expensive
for the tourists to come.
The tax and
the tour.
I see.
And the lodging
is expensive for the local people.
I see.
And
they don't invite many people.
Yeah.
It's restricted.
Even if it's like this,
revenue wise,
it's limited.
It's not the volume of number of people,
but the quality of the travel
is increased.
That might be true.
Yeah.
Well,
it's just my impression,
but in Japan,
in the media,
in the media,
it's said that
the number of tourists
reach tens of thousands
or aim for tens of thousands.
It's often said.
But
it's not like
it doesn't matter.
It's just like,
even if it's said,
it doesn't make sense.
But
going back to local
people's living,
it's good
even if they don't come.
Yeah.
It's best if they don't come.
I'm glad that it's popular in the world,
but
even if they don't come,
even if they come,
it's not profitable.
It's only for local companies or foreign companies.
It's meaningless.
But
the island is limited.
The number of visitors to Iriomote Island
is limited to 1,200 per day.
But it's better if it's mixed.
Yeah.
I forgot where it is,
but
there are islands
where 1 million people visit
every year.
Do you understand?
We're not welcoming
people,
but if we
accept a lot of people,
I mean,
a lot of human beings
take
energy
from the local island.
Because
all of the islands in Okinawa
are sacred places.
So,
it's fine.
But people
need to
protect
their culture.
So, people are limited,
but they pay
a certain amount of money.
That's what they do.
But in the end,
the supermarkets on the island
are very expensive.
I wonder how
the people on the island
live.
But the people on the island
sell their supermarkets expensively,
but it's only for emergencies.
Yeah.
They don't buy them.
I think that's true.
They build hospitals
for the people on the island.
My friend on Iejima
doesn't have a wife,
so she gives birth
in Motobu.
She has to come.
She has to get on a ship
if she has a heart attack.
But they accept
オーバーツーリズムの影響
what it is, right?
And,
I'm talking about
globalization again,
but let's find
all the hidden places in the world.
We don't need that.
We need to find
every corner of Okinawa.
The local people
have been seen by so many tourists,
so they want to find
more hidden places.
They want to find Okinawa
that only they know.
I think there's a lot of places
that
the human beings doesn't enter
even.
Like a middle of ocean.
They want to explore everything
and see everything.
It's human instinct
to want to go to space.
But I think it's not good
to see everything.
Just leave it as it is.
You don't have to
go to the jungle
and see everything.
Sometimes I think
it's better to leave it as it is.
There are a lot of animals.
Maybe they do it because
they don't have enough material.
After all, it's business.
Money.
People in Kyoto are crazy.
Crazy?
When I went to Kyoto,
I got a lot of energy.
I was so tired that I slept in a cafe.
There was no place to sit
and rest.
I think it's a problem
just because there are
too many humans.
It's hard to live
peacefully.
It's not just about
the spiritual.
Every human
has a tree.
If too many people gather,
it will be peaceful and chaotic.
The atmosphere
of the place
will be taken away.
But if you are
going to the south, you want to see it.
So
you have to adjust
the number and price
with the government.
Even if it's expensive,
it will come to Japan.
Either way.
The number may decrease, but
that's what I'm looking for now.
I already know
about Hawaii.
I've experienced it.
But why
can't Japan
do it right away?
I think
the government
don't want
or they're
welcoming
a lot of people,
despite what local
people think.
It's the relationship
with China
and Korea
and other Asian countries.
In the past,
Chinese people
had strict visas.
Only a certain number
of people could come.
But now, there are more
and more people
who can come.
The Japanese government
has a purpose
to do it.
Japanese
citizens
don't think
it's a good thing.
There are benefits
for the people
who can come.
Even the real estate
in Okinawa
was bought by Chinese people.
And
Jungler
is run by a Japanese company.
Costco
is run by an American company.
What do you think?
In the end,
it's not about
the location.
Right.
Costco
doesn't change
its location.
It's like a highway.
But
Costco
won't come back
to the quiet place
ever again.
Like Costco.
As a
destination wedding planner,
I'm glad when many
tourists come to Okinawa.
And I will have more chances
to engage with more clients.
However,
even if they are cheap,
they don't engage to me
because my wedding is expensive.
I want more people
who are rich
観光の難しさ
to come.
Right.
Tourism is difficult.
It's not like
I want to do business
with rich people
because I want to do business
with rich people
because I want to do business
with rich people
so that I can keep
peace and security.
However,
even if they are cheap,
I want them to
experience
various things.
You know,
I want them to know
about all human beings.
I want them to know about all human beings.
I want them to know about all human beings.
I think so.
We have limited
seats
for poor people.
for poor people.
for poor people.
We have limited seats
for poor people.
We have limited seats
for poor people.
It's difficult.
I think we don't have to
accept more people.
Then we can't make money.
But you can make money
from the low in some way.
I can't make more money.
I want people who have a business
to come.
I want people who have a business
to come.
I don't want people
who only pay 300 yen
a day to come.
I want people
who only pay 300 yen a day to come.
So we have more good quality
オーバーツーリズムの影響
of hospitality.
It takes a lot of time.
There are only expensive hotels in Okinawa.
There are only expensive villas in Okinawa.
And only locals can stay in cheap hotels.
It's not safe.
Yeah, that's right.
No matter what you say, no one can say anything about the pros and cons.
Yeah, if you limit the business,
the mainland Japanese people will feel like they are too passive.
There are some companies that do it individually.
Some people move in alone and start slowly.
If you do this to those people,
it will have a positive effect on those who have a stylish shop.
In a good way.
It's difficult but
as a local
what kind of development
direction should we take?
I think development is the most important thing.
There are no
tourist attractions that we should aim for.
Even in Hawaii,
if you look at it from the south,
it looks like a miserable place.
As a local wise.
So, in the end,
we have to make sure that it doesn't become Hawaii.
But at the same time,
we also have to make sure that
we don't become half-educated.
We also have to make sure that
we don't become half-educated.
We also have to make sure that
we don't become half-educated.
And if we want to improve the local economy,
going back to
the poverty problem,
we have to raise the level of education.
In the end,
if we don't do that,
we won't be able to
improve the local economy.
海の恐れと美しさ
We have to keep the poverty cycle.
We have to keep the poverty cycle.
It's always the same.
It's always the same.
It depends on the tourist.
I think a lot of people
go to the Golden Week beach.
Please be careful
when you go to the beach.
Please don't die.
If you don't die,
it's important to
think that it's a scary thing
and go to the beach.
It's fun.
It's fun.
We were looking at the blue cave.
We were looking at the blue cave.
It's like an over-tourism.
It's like an over-tourism.
I'm afraid that's an over-tourism.
I'm afraid that's an over-tourism.
Why do you say over-tourism
in the sea?
I'm afraid of the Daisy.
I'm afraid of the Daisy.
There are a lot of seas here.
There are a lot of seas here.
Moreover,
when I went to the blue cave
about 10 years ago,
I saw an ambulance
and a person was dead.
I saw an ambulance and a person was dead.
I don't want you to die in the blue cave.
I don't want you to die in the blue cave.
It's not only the blue cave.
It's not only the blue cave.
Diving or
going out to the lake.
It's not even a lake.
Even if you think it's easy to swim, you can suddenly get your feet caught in the water or someone drowns and tries to save you.
There are a lot of people outside of the prefecture who like the sea, and I think they have a lot of experience swimming in the sea.
But people in Okinawa don't really go into the sea. They say the sea is scary.
So I think it's better to enjoy the sea while thinking that the sea is scary.
Yeah, that's true.
It's beautiful, though.
As far as you can see.
There are also a lot of marine workers, and there are people who do it under various conditions, so it's important where to choose.
Whether you have experience or not.
You can't decide just by the price.
It's too late if something happens.
That's really true.
I think so, too.
There's a lot of news every year.
There's a lot of news every year.
Not just the sea, but the river.
It's not just Okinawa.
The feeling of the river suddenly getting deeper is different from the sea.
The river is pitch black.
The sea is bright blue and pitch black.
I've been to Okinawa before.
When I look into the river, it's pitch black.
It's like a devil.
It's really scary.
Yeah, it looks shallow, but it's deep.
That's right.
People in Okinawa don't go to the sea because they don't know the fear of the sea.
They believe in ghosts.
They're afraid of being pulled by the sea.
If you become a ghost, you'll be the only one in the world who hasn't been to the sea.
That's right.
If you snorkel, you'll enter the world of you and the sea.
海と自然への敬意
There were times when I snorkeled by myself.
I think we talked about this before.
That's why it's interesting.
Do you snorkel by yourself?
When I go to the sea, everyone does it normally.
I wonder what happened earlier.
I can't breathe.
There are times when you wonder what you're doing alone.
That's right.
I know.
I was going to dive straight.
I hit my head too hard.
I turned around and came back up.
It was completely different from what I wanted to do.
When I looked up, everyone was swimming normally.
No matter how experienced you are, no matter how famous you are, there are a lot of people who die in the sea of Okinawa.
It depends on your condition.
The sea looks flat, but when you go to the ocean, the wind is strong and the waves are strong.
When you go to the sea, you're a tiny, powerless creature.
That's what I think the most.
I feel that way a lot.
I feel like I can understand my animal weakness.
Even if I just dive a little.
When you go to the ocean, not the beach.
I feel like my life will end in an instant.
I'm not enjoying the thrill.
I feel respect.
I understand. Mother Nature.
I feel like I have a heart.
I think humans are in control, but we are being controlled.
That's right.
It's just one of the cells.
Even so, it's better to stop destroying the sea.
You'll be punished.
観光と地域のバランス
You'll die in the sea someday.
What are you talking about all of a sudden?
Destroying the sea.
Pollution.
Going back to the story.
Sunburn.
From a small story.
I feel like I'll be punished.
It's not over tourism.
It's overpopulation on the earth.
It's a thing just to live a life.
That's right.
All the people of the present age.
They are being made to live.
Isn't it good to have a place where you can experience it like Okinawa?
A place where you can look back on your life.
That's right.
It's not training.
A place where you can feel that the world was wide when people who were worried about small things came.
I think it's a place where you can easily feel Australia and Hokkaido.
You should be able to feel that in Okinawa.
That's right.
I want tourists to receive positive energy and come back.
It's the same for Okinawans living in Okinawa.
It's a blue sea and the weather is good.
But there are a lot of people who are depressed.
It's a dark side of Okinawa.
I don't think it's just Okinawa.
It's a waste to just go shopping in Okinawa.
It's the same for nature, but there are a lot of unique people.
There are kind and unique people.
There is a strong culture and spirit.
I want people to know that this is Okinawa.
Not like an Orion T-shirt.
It's a good place to make money.
It's a good place to make money.
It's not bad for young people to go sightseeing.
It's not bad to live like a retreat.
I think it's a good place to live.
I want to balance both.
As I said earlier, I want to support the well-being of the residents.
I want to support raising children.
The house prices are so high that the residents can't afford to buy a house.
I don't know what to do with that.
I want to give hope to the residents.
I've said this many times, but you can't be a victim.
There are too many people who are suffering like that.
It's like making a song for everyone.
Don't think of yourself as a minority or a victim.
Okinawa residents have to stand up for themselves and be independent.
Don't just complain.
