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They always look really good.
Oh, it looks amazing.
Especially if you know what the dish tastes like.
Right.
You can easily imagine in your mouth.
Yeah, after watching the show, I would definitely eat an orc.
Especially an orc general.
Especially if you fried it.
You like, oh, I'm like drooling.
Welcome back to 2AM OTTACK!
I'm your host Mayu, a born and raised Japanese non-otaku, and…
I'm Cisco, an American otaku.
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Cisco.
Yeah?
We've been going through a lot of candies these days.
Candy?
Candy.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm done with it.
Like, I don't have to have any more.
You're done with candy?
Yeah.
Damn.
Especially American candies.
Wow, okay.
I've been living here for quite a long time, and it's hard for me to find, like, a love for American candy.
But you love Kit Kats.
Only Kit Kats, yeah.
What?
Okay.
Anyway.
You just don't like caramel.
That's your problem.
I don't like—I can't stand the caramel and chocolate combinations.
I can do, like, a single, like a chocolate or caramel.
But you don't like, like, M&Ms?
M&Ms, okay, just okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
To each their own.
Japan has, like, a lot more better ones.
Okay, it's fine.
Fine to feel that way, yeah.
アニメの概要
We're going to talk about, like, this anime, which has lots of cooking and the food in it, and they all look so good.
Yeah, it's really good.
So today, what we're going to talk about?
I believe the English title is Campfire Cooking in Another World with My Absurd Skill.
In Japanese, トンデモスキルで異世界放浪飯。
It's quite a long title.
Like, it's perfect for isekai-related anime.
It's another light novel that got adapted to a manga and then into an anime.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
It's got to be a long title.
Yeah, it's not a long title.
It's not really an isekai, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
So we're going to talk about first season, and now second season is streaming.
So we're going to talk all about it.
Maybe some spoilers.
Definitely some spoilers.
Yeah, okay.
And the food and stuff.
Before we start, we'd like to hear from you.
Share your thoughts, ideas, questions, or even suggestions what we should talk about.
Send us a message to email in the description, or you can use Spotify and the YouTube comment section as well.
All right, so I really enjoyed watching the first season, even though I'm not a big fan of isekai.
主人公の紹介
Yeah.
Yeah, there are like a few isekais I like.
This one and...
Uncle from Another World?
Or something like that.
Isekai Ojisan.
Yeah, that one was amazing.
I really liked that one.
Anyways, do you want to do a summary?
Sure.
So it's about a guy named Mukoda, and we haven't really gotten like a lot of his backstory, right?
Like, we don't really know what his life was like before he came to the isekai.
The first, very first episode, he was kind of involved in this like isekai world without any intention.
He was one of the like candidates.
But like, do we know anything about him before he came to the isekai world?
He was a businessman.
It's like a regular salary man, right?
Regular businessman, yeah.
Okay.
So he shows up in the isekai along with like three teenagers, who are clearly like the ones who are supposed to be there.
And they all get combat skills, right?
Like one of them is like, I can use like magic.
And one is like, I have like sword strength.
I don't know.
They all are like regular people and or regular types of characters that go to an isekai.
And he's like, not really a regular character.
And his skill is the ability to order things from essentially like Amazon Prime.
異世界のグルメ冒険
Yeah.
Like an online grocery store.
Is it Amazon or is it Eon?
Okay, it's Eon.
Okay, so he's ordering from like the equivalent of like Walmart, right?
Or Target or something.
Yeah.
And he can order food mostly and food related stuff.
So he has to pay for it, which is interesting.
It's not just free.
But because the modern world is so much cheaper than the medieval world, anytime he earns any money at all in the medieval world, he's able to buy like enormous quantities of stuff.
I think he finds out in like the first or second episode that he can basically import salt and pepper from the modern world via his grocery skill and then just like become unbelievably rich by reselling them.
But then he doesn't actually do that.
Like that could have been the end of the story.
He did a little bit selling like shampoo and like soap and stuff.
Well, yeah, he does that later when he like meets the guy who really wants it for his wife or whatever.
But he kind of never becomes like just a reseller, you know?
Right.
He wants to explore the isekai and like get to know it a little bit.
So he only wants to make enough money to like keep going on his journey.
Like he's not greedy and he doesn't try to like abuse his power.
Instead, he just uses it to like have a nice time like adventuring around.
So right away he meets, he's cooking, I don't know, some like really delicious seeming meat and he attracts the attention of Fenrir.
Is Fenrir like just like, is he like a god?
Is he just like a super powerful monster?
Are there other Fenrirs elsewhere in the world?
Super powerful monster, I think?
Yeah, we kind of like don't know, right?
Like, is there only one Fenrir or are there like multiple Fenrirs?
I guess they haven't clarified that.
Fenrir can talk.
He can speak like human language.
He has unbelievably powerful magic and he's like a like an S-class monster.
And he's like, oh, I'll be like your...
I think he just makes himself like the other guy's companion or I don't know what I want to call this familiar.
I think is how they refer to it.
So he just he just decides that he will be Mukota's familiar in exchange for Mukota feeding him regularly.
So now Mukota has to cook stuff all the time to feed Fenrir and it seems like it wouldn't be that hard to make Fenrir happy.
Like you just cook him like a steak like, you know, once a day and he would be okay, but Mukota seems to really like cooking.
So he prepares like a variety of different dishes all the time.
And pretty much anyone in the other world who eats anything that Mukota makes at any time is just like, oh my god, this is so good.
Like I've never eaten anything this good before.
And one of the things that I like about the show is that he keeps preparing different types of monsters.
So the orcs in this one have sort of pig noses.
And so they apparently taste like pork and I guess that might be a play on like pork and orc being almost the same word.
But at first he's like very bothered by that.
He's like, oh, but they are humanoids.
Are we being like cannibals if we eat them?
And everyone else is like, no, it's fine.
So he just starts eating.
He's like, wow, this is really good.
But they eat dragons and they eat, I don't know, snakes like giant snakes and they eat spiders.
Yeah, they eat everything.
And like everything they eat, they're always like, oh, it tastes like chicken or whatever.
Invariably, like the monsters taste delicious rather than bad.
So that's kind of funny.
He eventually gets another summon or not even a summon, another familiar that's a slime.
And like the slime keeps leveling up really quickly.
And so it becomes like super overpowered almost right away.
異世界での料理
And so both his his giant wolf and his slime can basically kill anything they come across almost instantly.
And so the show is really not about fighting.
The show is instead about cooking and like how he decides to prepare like the new monsters he's gotten.
So it's sort of fun.
It's not really about like politics or I don't know, fighting or action.
And he has kind of a cheat skill enabled so he can just do whatever he wants most of the time.
But so there's like some human interaction and a lot of comedy and a lot of cooking.
And it's great.
When I started watching this anime, I reminded me of Delicious in Dungeon, but it's different.
It's not the same as Delicious in Dungeon.
Very different.
Well, first of all, it's Isekai, like a regular human goes to Isekai and using very like a real life skill in Isekai.
So it's a very different plot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There are many characters and then I like all of them.
But I like Sui the best, I think.
I think almost everyone seems to agree in the show and out of the show.
I don't know the gender of the slime, but...
I don't think slimes have genders.
Okay.
But the slime sounds really cute.
So cute.
And it sounds like a little kid.
Yeah.
But very powerful.
Yeah.
When the slime needs to.
Sui seems like one of those characters you kind of fantasize, like what's the temperature is like?
Like when you touch it, like what the feeling is like.
And then when Sui eats, you can kind of see through like Sui digesting.
Right, right, right, right, right.
Like what's happening?
Like what's the system is like inside of Sui?
It's like very highly acidic.
Highly acidic.
It's just melting everything inside its body.
Anyway, Sui is really, really cute.
So the second season, I think the first episode started with Gyoza.
Yeah.
Yeah, it did.
Which was funny because like we recently won a podcast star award, which is like a amateur podcast contest in Japan.
Right.
And we won a grand prize.
And then one of the prizes was Gyoza.
That we can't eat.
That we can't eat because they can't ship to the United States.
Damn it.
Like I've been like, you know, contacting those, you know, people in Japan, like where to ship and then like went to ship saying on social media about their Gyoza.
And I'm like, I've been like talking and like writing about Gyoza, but not getting anything.
Not getting to actually eat it.
And like seeing on the episode of Tonde Moskino's like, God damn it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was tough.
And then every time, every time present food, even like from the cooking part, it always look really good.
Oh, it looks amazing.
Especially if you know what the dish tastes like.
Right.
You can easily imagine in your mouth.
Yeah.
After watching the show, I would definitely eat an orc, especially an orc general, especially if you fried it.
You like, oh, I'm drooling.
Especially if you put it in some egg, right?
And then battered it with some like panko and then fried it and made like a tonkatsu.
Oh, orc general.
Also the fried chicken wyvern or whatever.
That one also looked awesome.
Yeah.
They made like enough for a whole city.
I would eat that too.
And then like, it's so interesting that you can see the actual ingredients that product sold in Japan.
Yeah.
Sort of shocking amounts of product placement in this, right?
So like you, if you want to make like, I don't know, orc general tonkatsu or something, you need this like product.
Yeah, they kind of tell you like, buy this, this and this.
Yeah, it's funny because he's ordering everything from an online supermarket.
I think he is a good cook, but also he's not a gourmet chef, right?
料理のスキルと栄養
He's like an everyman cooker, you know?
Like he prepares stuff at home and he's looking for recipes that take less than 30 minutes to prepare, right?
I mean, it depends on the food.
Frying like pork takes a little bit of time.
Right.
Yeah, but like flavor things, like a kimchi flavor thing, you can just buy it.
You can just buy it, right.
Yeah, and he does a lot of buying sauces, which makes sense because obviously the people in this other world like don't have, I guess they have spices, but like no one has sauces, it seems like.
So when he's like, oh, I bought like garlic sauce, people just freak out and be like, oh, it's so good.
He's also like weirdly interested in nutrition.
Yeah.
Like he always makes them eat vegetables, even though like nobody wants to eat vegetables in the other world.
And he's like, well, you got to like have some vegetables in it.
And I feel like especially in the second season, the first season really is about meat because a lot of the jokes and comedy come from, hey, we killed this giant monster.
Like, what will its meat taste like?
But I feel like in the second season, he makes more things that are like not necessarily just meat, which is kind of cool.
It's kind of very Japanese.
Yeah.
He also has an item box skill where he can just put things into his item box, like via a magic portal anywhere, which would be super useful.
Like you wouldn't have to carry a backpack around ever again because you could just drop things in and out of your item box, like right next to you.
Like, I hope science is working on that.
And the food in the pot.
Right.
Like it doesn't.
I think the item box must have climate control.
Okay.
No, not only that, but also like it doesn't spill.
Like, how does it work?
I think it's like the room of requirement.
Like you just reach in and you are able to pull out like whatever you're thinking about without any problems.
Like you don't have to like, you don't have to go into it to your item box.
Like you literally just are like, oh, I'm thinking of like this thing in my item box.
You reach in and pull it out.
I would love that to have that.
Right?
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
I think we need to get like our best like dark matter physicists working on an item box.
Yeah.
And the second episode of second season, there's a new character.
A new a pixie dragon.
Pixie.
Yeah, pixie dragon.
I was talking about Erlando, the guild master.
Oh, the guild master.
He's hilarious.
He's so funny.
Yeah, he's obsessed with dragons.
I think in a way I can relate to him.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Like, I don't know.
He loves like he's passionate about what he studies.
That's true.
And he's so otaku about it.
Yeah, he really is.
Yeah.
And then when he was eating like one of the meat, I can't remember.
Earth dragons.
The earth dragon steak or whatever.
He was in tears.
Yeah, he's a good character.
I think.
Yeah, it's pretty funny.
Yeah.
Do you have any favorite character in the show?
I really like his party that he starts out with Iron Will and the other people in that party, which just showed up in this most recent episode we saw again.
But they seem like sort of working man types, right?
Like they're not that strong, but they are pretty good party.
And like in some other isekai, they would be the main characters.
And instead in this one, they're just kind of like random people out for hire.
But the way they react to eating his cooking is always hilarious to me.
Like they can't believe that they're like eating such high quality stuff because they clearly don't have that much money.
And so I really like them as like a group.
異世界のキャラクターたち
They have like, you know, an old wizard and like they're just a collection of tropes, but they're really funny.
So I like them quite a bit.
I don't know.
All the characters are pretty great.
I'm trying to think if there's another.
I like the goddesses a lot, too.
They're all pretty funny.
And like the main goddess or the wind goddess, who's like the one that's in it the most is sort of funny and how like capricious and like spoiled she is.
I think the voice actor of her and the main character, Mukoda, they are actually siblings in real life.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway, I mean, I like all of the all of the goddesses and gods.
They're pretty funny, but there's like there are no characters I don't like in the show yet.
Yet.
Yeah.
料理の楽しさとストレス
So I was checking the website, Japanese website of Tonde Mosquito, and they actually have a lot of recipes you can use on Cookpad.
You use Cookpad a lot.
I do.
I check Cookpad.
Nice.
They have their own account.
And they have like Roast Dragon, Waiban Niku no Beef Stew.
Cool.
Okuniku no Buta Kimuchi Don.
Is this going to get you to eat meat again?
No.
Damn it.
It's worth a shot.
If they make a vegetarian version, which I kind of highly...
Don't they have like an omurice?
Like, didn't they like get wyvern eggs and make like omurice at once?
Omurice technically has to, I think it usually have chicken in it.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Yeah.
So they have Oak General Gyoza.
Yum.
But like, they have actual recipe here how to make gyoza.
I mean, like it's basically regular gyoza.
Right, right, right.
It's just like a fun to name it with the picture from anime and the actual picture of gyoza.
But it's a fun way to learn cooking.
Yeah, and I think like if there are more like otaku dudes out there who get into making food and cooking their own food via this anime, I think that is all for the good.
Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely.
Because like cooking is fun, at least I think.
And then feeding your food to people is such a joy.
Yeah, I think that's true.
Do you think it's true for you, too?
Well, you get kind of stressed.
I mean, yeah, I do.
I find cooking sort of stressful.
It depends on like what it is.
So like I'm okay with baking.
I don't know why exactly.
Maybe it's like the way I was brought up or whatever.
But making like pancakes or sweets, I feel okay about.
And I do enjoy serving what I've made to people.
But cooking things with, I don't know, fire?
I don't think I'm very good at it.
It might really be like more of a psychological thing, but I do cook.
I just don't really enjoy the process.
I find the process to be stressful.
And then usually the end result is not so good that I feel proud or like accomplished at the end.
I feel like glad it's over, but disappointed in myself.
And so that experience doesn't really make me want to repeat it like other than when I have to.
And I also think like I do enjoy good food, but I am totally okay with like just standard food as long as I can get it over with fast.
And like I think this is true since I was a kid.
If you could hook me up to like an IV that just like kept me supplied with all the nutrients I needed for like my whole life and I like never needed to eat ever,
like I would seriously consider doing that and like not just not eating anymore.
No.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
So like it's not that I don't like cooking.
I think cooking it's like, okay, right.
And like I like eating delicious things and I feel proud of like baking stuff.
But if you were to offer me a choice between like never needing to eat again so that I could just focus on doing other stuff and like having to cook all of my own food forever.
料理と食の楽しさ
Like I might take the first option.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Okay, but I mean, does that like that would be like if I had to make all the meals?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Like eating food that like you make, for example, is like wonderful.
And I would not choose that over like having the IV.
But like the food that I make is so mid that like if I didn't have to make it ever again, but I ultimately didn't need to eat, like I would be like, yeah, sure, especially if I could get like good nutrition because like on my own.
I'm so tempted to eat food that's not particularly good, but is like can be made quickly and just like, okay, I'm moving on to like the other things that I want to accomplish.
Like, you know, microwavable veggie corn dogs and like pop tarts and stuff.
To me, the appeal of those foods is not that they taste better than cooking.
And it's definitely not that they're nutritious.
It's that from the start of preparing that food to being done eating it is like five minutes.
That's the thing about those foods that to me is appealing.
We can just cut this all out.
This makes me sad.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, God, just feel free to like not include this.
Then I will know because I'm the opposite.
Yeah, I love eating food and I like cooking food, especially baking.
Like when you say baking, I think baking cookies, right?
Yeah, that's for me.
Baking is like mostly like I mean, like cookies, brownies, cake.
Do you bake those things?
I haven't baked a cake in a long time, but I have baked cakes just like on my own to be like,
Oh, really? Actually, you know what?
Not on my own for other people.
When was the last time?
Because I don't remember. 2002.
Okay.
But I'm just saying like, you know, I think with baking, like I think I feel more confident in baking
because the recipes are so clear and I'm like, okay, measuring stuff.
And I'm like good at being for lack of a better way to put this kind of anal about like doing exactly
what the recipe says, like down to like the very minute details.
And cooking often doesn't have that kind of thing.
It's like cook it until it's done.
And I'm like, how do you know if it's done?
Like if you can put on like a timer with seconds to be like, put it in the pan,
wait exactly 12 seconds, and then it is finished.
I'm like, I can handle that.
But if it's like brown, the onions, I'm like, what color is brown?
How do I know if it's finished, you know, but the pill, like put some oil in a pan.
I'm like, how much is some so I don't deal with that kind of like lack of precision.
Because like I bake sourdough bread and sourdough, you can't bake, you know, make sourdough like that.
Every environment is different.
Every time you make sourdough bread, it's different.
It's never be the same, right?
So you have to play by ear kind of based on your experience, right?
You have to know what the dough is like doing and like how that like, you know, how much proofing and everything.
So it makes so much sense.
You don't like that way of like, you know, making like just a little bit of salt or like,
just like how much ever like a sweetness you want in the in your food.
Yeah, impossible.
Yeah, I think I can survive in this like that isekai world.
Like I wouldn't mind, I wouldn't do like a shopping or anything.
I would grow wheat from like seeds and harvest and then grind it and then make flour.
And then like it would make like sourdough bread in the like open fire.
I do love that you're your version of like an isekai.
If you could go to an isekai, you would go to an isekai and become the little red hen.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind it at all.
I would be thriving.
料理とグルメの議論
Seriously, I would make everything from scratch.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can survive.
I can't fight, but I can make food.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you think I would do in an isekai?
Yeah, I don't know.
Doctor?
Doctor?
Yeah, maybe.
Like magic, you mean?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, definitely magic.
I would clearly be a mage.
Yeah, anyway.
I do net shopping, not a lot.
I don't do grocery shopping online because I want to go look.
What about Azure?
Azure is a different thing because like they don't have a store.
It's only online.
Right.
So like that's the place I buy like organic 50 pounds of flour.
50 pounds, yeah.
Like in bulk.
In bulk, yeah.
But otherwise for produce, I go grocery store and then decide which one to buy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's smart.
Yeah.
Okay, shall we do word of the day?
Sure.
Otaku, word of the day.
What's today's word of the day?
I think we said we were going to do gourmet.
Gourmet.
Gourmet is gourmet.
Gourmet.
Gourmet in English.
Yeah.
So you don't pronounce T.
It's French.
So in French, it's the same gourmet?
I mean, I don't know enough French to be able to be like, yes, definitely.
But I'm pretty sure it must be gourmet in French also.
Okay.
So I feel like gourmet and gourmet.
You mean gourmet?
Gourmet, I can pronounce.
It's different because in Japanese, when we say gourmet, that means really tasty food, delicious food.
Or people who eat a lot of good food and then they know what good food is.
Yeah.
So no, that's the same meaning as in English.
We either talk about gourmet food as being food that is very fancy and refined and high quality.
Or we talk about people who are gourmet or gourmets, right?
Who like understand fine dining.
And I think there's a difference between them eating good stuff and eating a lot of it.
If you just eat a lot of food and you really enjoy eating and drinking, but you don't care that much about quality,
you're a gourmand, someone who like just likes eating a lot.
If you don't necessarily eat a lot, but you do care a lot about the quality of what you eat, then you are a gourmet.
But it's tricky because we use it both as a noun and as an adjective in English.
So when we call someone a gourmet chef, we mean that they cook really high quality food.
But when we call someone just a gourmet, we mean they are like a connoisseur of good, you know, fine dining and wine often.
I think if you go to Japan, like you hear gourmet, the word gourmet a lot.
異世界アニメへのアプローチ
But the pronunciation is quite different from English and French.
I mean, I'm sure it's Japanese people trying to pronounce gourmet and just saying gourmet, you know, which sounds a little more French to me.
But yeah, like I'm sure it's from the same place.
Yeah. All right.
Anything else you'd like to add before we end?
I enjoy this show's approach to isekai in that it's really not taking itself very seriously.
And I kind of struggle with isekai anime that do take themselves really seriously because I don't know.
The concept is so done to death that anytime you try to make it seem really serious, it's just hard to like get into it.
But I was watching an ad today for like a remaster of Dragon Quest 1 and 2 that's coming out for the Switch.
And I was like, oh, like the reason isekai stuff is so commonplace, I think, is that anybody who was born in the 80s like grew up experiencing isekai after isekai via JRPGs.
And so the whole generation is just really familiar with the idea of like you're a hero in another world.
And so, yeah, I don't know, this one being not about being a hero at all and just about being people sort of enjoying the world.
異世界の冒険と料理
And then like also playing with the idea of the world building by like breaking the rules constantly is sort of fun.
I like it.
They're like a missions or a quest.
Occasionally he like accepts jobs from a guild, right?
And I guess there was like one part of the first season where there's some actual peril.
Like the people in the town are really worried about getting attacked by like an army of wyverns or something.
But the resolution is that, you know, Feru and Sui just go out and like literally kill them all in like one attack.
So it never the stakes never feel very high for the main characters, even when they are portrayed as being high for the other people in the show.
So I think it's a really nice anime that you can even watch with kids.
Yeah, I agree.
And then you might be able to encourage your kids to cook something fun, interesting, sometimes like very Japanese.
Almost all of it's pretty Japanese, except for, yeah, even even the steak is Wagyu, right?
Yeah.
And they pour like what kind of sauce?
Like if Phil likes like a tamanegi sauce, I can't remember.
I think he likes the garlic sauce.
Garlic sauce.
Yeah.
Like yakiniku sauce.
Who doesn't like yakiniku sauce?
It's unbelievably good.
But I like it.
If you have that good meat, like why do you want to waste with like an extra sauce?
Oh my God.
That wasn't what I was thinking.
Like it's a waste.
It's not a waste.
It makes it even better.
Okay.
Okay.
You don't eat it.
You don't even eat meat.
No, not anymore.
Yeah.
So yeah, you just don't know.
It's okay.
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