2023-01-26 1:10:26

#53【人間のエゴと命の雑談】Random Convo about Human Ego and Lives

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最近、初めて自分でペットを飼い始めましてこの話が膨らみました。

犬や猫を人間のように扱うことにいつも疑問があったんですが、世界を見渡せば動物に育てられた人間もいるんですね。
そこには育てた種の動物と化している人間がいて、つまり人間に飼われている動物たちは人間化する?結局は誰に育てられるかによる?

動物園にいる動物や水族館にいる魚たちは可哀想なのか、はたまた命の危険に晒されず食事も与えられるから安心してるのか。

わかりません。

動物が大量生産・家畜化している劣悪な飼育環境を見て肉食を断つ、毛皮を反対する。
これらの議論って賛否両論いろんな意見がありますが1つの最適解がないから色々やってみて気づきを増やすことが大切なんだとも思うけど、

食事が満足に摂れない貧困層のご飯はやっすい肉に救われていたりして。

どの種を守る議論になっても、最終的には目的が果たされることでその人間たちの正義感を満たすことが深層心理なのか。
全部人間のエゴか。

わかりません。

わかりません。

This episode is two of us having random conversations about
-how we raise and train pets
-a human raised by animals is that possible
-sexuality for animals and objects
-an activity for protecting animal lives by being vegan, joining an association
-what is living life after all

#ManRaisedbyAnimal#AnimalLife#Pet#Responsibility#HumanEgo#Ego#SavingLife#zoophilia#ObjectSexuality#Vegan#PETA#エゴ#ペット#命#飼育#家族#沖縄#バイリンガル#英語#ウチナーグチ#雑談#ポッドキャスト

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ペット先進国と日本は何が違う?犬を取り巻く環境や法律、税金や殺処分について

6 cases of children being raised by animals

動物に育てられた驚くべき野生児・7人

“遊園地のアトラクション”が恋人に……物に性的魅力を感じる「対物性愛」ってなに?

「僕の初恋は近所に住んでいたオス犬だった」開高健ノンフィクション賞受賞作家が語る“動物性愛”の世界

00:00
せーの What's up amazing people? This is IYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami. In this
radio we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan Japanese and
English. はいたーい はいたーい ぐすーよーちゅーがなびらー イヤササレディオのアカネとミナミヤイビーン
うぬレディオでイエイゴとウチナーグチさんにぐすーよーんかいいっぺーうむさるはなしつづけやんりちうむとういビーン
Yay! So we don't have any article today. Yeah, random topic about
life and human ego. 人間のエゴや 今日は人間のエゴとはい命の雑談
そうですね はい で
私は最近 I got puppy.
and he's listening he's a listener of the day.
クンクン言ってますけどあのまだお家に来て1週間経ってないので
トイレトレーニング中でお家にこもっております お利口だね本当にめっちゃお利口
なんかクンクン今言ってるけど あのー
見なかったら諦める すぐ病む
なんかいつもさ猫といるから 感情があふれ出ている犬は
やっぱ猫ってあれなんだなんか気まぐれ気まぐれっていうか一人で
いろいろできる なんかこっちの方が好きなのかなって思っちゃうけど
puppy always come to me
so なんか満たされる
確かにあれだよね人間に向かってくる方と でもまぁ猫は飼いやすいってのはあるんじゃない
うん飼いやすいね もともと犬飼ってたから
猫飼った時に自分でさ自分のお風呂も入るし 舐めて
でご飯も食べるし
トイレもするし 全然迷惑かけない
からめっちゃ飼いやすいと思う初めてペット買う人とか アレルギーある人もいるけど
あとでも運動能力 全員だいたい高いじゃん猫って
うんそうだねなんていうの跳躍力とかさ こことしてもさ
できるけど犬って多分骨折とかしちゃうから 確かに
まあそういう意味でも 飼いやすいっていうか
独立精神 猫ってあれでしょなんだっけ
宇宙から来たんでしょ うんそうだと思う
宇宙好きな人ってなんかいつも猫を飼ってるイメージあるんだけど そうなの
なんか都市伝説のユーチューバーとかさ そういうネタを喋る人たちって大体猫を飼ってるイメージがある
アイリアン always has those eyes like a catとか爬虫類とかの
03:05
光で目のあれが変わるみたいな
縦にシュみたいな
They pretend really cool だからなんかちょっとこう意味深に見えるんだと思う
確かにね もう彼は興味がなくなったようですラジオに
アカネとミナミは何だこいつらみたいな感じで見てたけど今は独り遊びに夢中
かわいい なんかさ
My parents has always had a dog
The dogs but that was outside
室外犬
やっぱ時代は 時代の問題なのかわかんないけど
今って ほとんど室内で飼わないといけないみたいね
なんかさ 実家の犬はもう最後の子はいなくなっちゃってからだいぶ経ってて
なんだけど our nephews once have a dog so they ask to my parents
and me and my dad went to a 保健所 once
そしたらやっぱり条件が結構厳しくて
まず we need to take a lesson
but that person needs to be under 60 years old
which means my dad can't don't have a right to take the class
it's kind of what the fuck rules right
別に何歳でもいいだろうと思ったけど
そのワンちゃんたちの自分に合わせて
人間の方が早く死んじゃったらっていうので60歳なんだろうけど
別に80歳くらいでもよくないって思ったんだけど
それって保健所?
保健所の講習受けないといけないわけお迎えする前に
で家は絶対室内で飼わないとダメとか
だから人間がどれだけ1日家に入れるかとか
いろんな条件があるんだけど
それでもやっぱり
南の実家は外で飼うのが当たり前で来てる人たち
人たちというか父親がね
昔の人多いよね
そうだから
My mom used to have a dog at the 裏庭
ででもなんか他の家はもっと奴隷みたいに扱ってたみたいな
犬を
外で?
外で
番犬みたいな感じの?
そうそうそうそう
だけど私たちは大事にペットにあの時代でも育ててたんだよみたいな言い方してた
うーん
なんかやっぱり
the way of having a pet or like treating the pet
yeah
is so different among all the families
yeah
and i still don't know what is right or wrong
06:03
なんか the other side people want to judge
who has the pet outside
and the person has the pet outside gonna you know tease the people
having inside
yeah
i mean the pet inside and treat like a very
human human
yeah
like a carnival human right
そうおしゃれさせたり
なんかご飯も人間みたいにしたり
歩かせなかったり
犬ベビーカーに入れるでしょ
そうそうそうそう
i've seen so many people in tokyo
もうめちゃくちゃショックだ
ショックっていうかあの
ネガティブなショックじゃなくて
it was shocking
yeah
to see
なんか
違いすぎてにあの犬の飼い方がね
東京って特殊なのかなって思ったけど
なんか one of my like a previous co-worker
has like two dogs and i sometimes bump into him
in daikanyamaとかで会ってたわけよ
休日とかに
その人たちの犬が自分の足で歩いているのを一回も見たことがなくて
やば
だからなんか
待って are they happy about it
like i always think that those dogs wanna
you know run everywhere
yeah maybe
he or she was too old
for walking but it's if it's not
then
but my mom uh my mother-in-law always have
uh old dog with the wheelchair
because that those dogs wanna pee or poo outside
when they take a walk but they can't walk because they are
too old that's why she put them on the wheelchair and then go
outside that's how she do like she thinks
they want to go outside see the you know scenery outside
トイレしたいかみたいな
i mean i i can't understand that
i think like having a dog in like a middle of the city
is like so much dangerous for you know maybe they
dog no no for the pet owner i mean if the dog bites someone on the street
then it's gonna be an accident or needs to be some insurance
if the dog walking on the
street
09:13
yeah
i always think that american people are good at taking care of dogs you know
i 100% agree
they tend to have a big dog
inside and outside
they're so talented
i don't know but
all the american people i've seen in the south were like that
maybe because they are military
i don't know if it's because they are military
but
i don't know if they are good at
having a good relationship
but
inside the house
where the dog can't go
they don't let the dog in the kitchen
they don't put a gauge on it
if you say no kitchen
the dog will come out
if you say no kitchen
the dog won't go
if you say yes
the dog will come out
if you say no
the dog won't come out
do you understand?
and they don't bark or bite
it's amazing
on the other hand
japanese owners
there are more japanese people
in the south
i don't know if they are good at
having a good relationship
the dog was so stupid
it was pooping on the table
it was peeing in the shoes
and
it was pooping on the table
it was pooping on the table
it was pooping on the table
so stupid dogs
so stupid dogs
they didn't do anything
for example
my dog
my dog
he is almost 3 months old
so
it's the best time to train him
but
if you take a 3 year old dog
as an adult
and the owner is not very
strict
12:01
it might be like that
but
me and my partner
having a conversation
if he is not really well trained by us
then we are going to send him to a training school
for a couple of nights
we can take care of him
then
we can learn from the trainer too
if we have a misunderstanding
about how he acts
it's different than
how we think
i think you guys are going to be very
kaho-go oya
to the dog
what kind of kaho-go?
because
we won't let him
be a training dog
we won't take him
and after he poops
we have to clean up
it's not about kaho-go
it's just that he likes to be clean
someday
he will be able to
poop 100 times
someday
because he was pooping a lot
hahahaha
but
it's the same for americans
maybe they already
have a dog
so they already know
how to train him
maybe it's the trainer's brain
but my family
only has a wild dog
so it's all about talking
if he can sit
and wait
and take a walk
he can go
wherever he wants
so we didn't have to
train him that much
it's a long chain
that can take him
anywhere
so we thought
i had a dog
at my parents house
but that doesn't mean
i know how to
train my dog
so we changed it
we did a lot of research
like
what kind of dog
do you like
and
we made a lot of mistakes
i feel sorry for him
he is such a stupid dog
he can't communicate
he doesn't listen to us
it doesn't make sense
if he gets mad
because he doesn't
know how to communicate
but it's human beings
view
we never know
what is happy for them
so
i said
training school
because we have
a dog inside
my house
and i also have
my skin condition issue
that's why
i don't have a dog allergy
i have a house dust
or a dandruff allergy
15:01
so it happens with a dog too
i need to know
what it is
what makes you wanna have a dog
this time
because my partner
wants to have a dog
and i sometimes
have a thought
that i wanna have a dog by myself
but when i went to Tokyo
my house was too small
and i was worried
about my skin
so it was hard to get used to
having an indoor dog
if i get sick
and i can't have a dog
i won't be allowed
to have a dog
even if i give it to someone
i think it's wrong
to buy a dog
i felt too much responsibility
so i couldn't buy a dog
but if there's someone
who wants to raise a dog
i have to do it
i see
that's the reason
why i have a tiny poodle
if i'm with an animal
i feel
good
i feel like a human
human?
animal?
like if you always
you know
talk to people
no matter where you go
there's so much stress
in this world
but the animals have
so pure heart
they don't think
about
i think they don't have
ego like human being
they're just living
life
that makes me very happy
like that's how
we supposed to live
that's right
so
whether that dog is happy or not
even if we talk about it
how do i say
we have to think
that dog is happy
that's the world
like by learning
animal behavior
what tells what
we have to know
as much as possible
but
humans are the same
if we were born in this world
if we were born in this world
how happy can we be
18:01
that's what we want
so this dog
was born and raised in this world
how happy can we be
in this world
that's what we want
so we don't have to
go outside
or change the world
if we don't have that
we can understand
the outside world
that's why we think about it
so sometimes
like
i wanna go drive with my cat
but she really hates
car
so
i don't want to drive
but
i like the sea
so i show her the sea
but she doesn't think about it
this is probably Akane's fault
Akane is just happy
i'm moved by the fact that
i'm looking at the sea with Chichi
but i want to go home
that's my ego
but i made one memory
Chichi's fear
but
if you think about it
Churu can get you through
that fear
if there was a tree
if you think about it
i don't know if you think about it
but it wasn't bad
we have to think about it
yeah
we can't
talk to each other
we can't
talk to each other
we can't look at each other's eyes
or move
happy boy
or something
we have to think about it
i was researching
about animals
i searched about
the people
she's obsessed
who are raised by
like a wolf, monkey
and chicken
like
people who are
raised by wolves
i've been interested in them
i've been watching a lot on youtube
that's the story
how come you're interested in
i mean
i can relate with the feelings
it's so weird
but at the same time
i was so
you know
surprised and amazed
by
animals
can raise
human beings
and also we can live
with them
yeah
and
wolves
can bite humans
and kill them
but
for example
i did some research
21:00
parents can't raise them
and leave them in the jungle
or put them
in the chicken coop
and lock them up
and raise them
like animals
but at the same time
they don't kill them
but put them in the coop
and raise them
the kindness of wolves
is amazing
there are a lot of
wolves-raised dogs
in colombia
so i thought
wolves are kind
they have the ability
to eat
raw meat
i feel like
wolves are strong
and also
humans
in the herd
can walk
with four legs
have sharp teeth
and strong claws
so
in the environment
they change
and everyone
does that
and i thought
that's amazing
i did a lot of research
that doesn't mean
that humans have
adaptability
they are made
to adapt
to the environment
like
the dogs
get used to
the environment
and also
you said
you can't understand
why i feel they are pitiful
humans raised by animals
yes
i felt
pitiful
but
they don't
they don't think
being with chickens
is happiness
they don't think about happiness
it's normal
they are just living
they look totally different
their body
but they don't care
in the first place
the size is different
so
the human
raised by the animal
is supposed to
look like they can't read
or
speak any languages
does it
does it mean that they can't
think
they are just feeling
everything
you can't
make them feel
you can't make them feel
you can feel
you can feel everything
24:01
this feeling
and also
i see a lot of people
getting along with lions
on youtube
and
they put sand on themselves
and
show this kind of attitude
to the male
the guardians
raised them since they were little
so they feel familiar
and the way they act
they act like lions
and
they don't bite or kill
and
the way they eat raw meat
they don't eat it but
they pretend to
they put blood on their body
and take a nap together
they accept humans
as their
friends
and
they get along with them
like this
and
they get along with their
pet
so
they get influenced
in a good way
so
so
the humans
are separating them
yes
the lion
went to Africa
and had a lot of boobies
humans are the same
yes
they get along with them
and
it's not a relationship
but
for example
when you go abroad
and eat the meat
you get accepted
if you eat it
you get accepted
is it the same?
if you live
the same life
if you live the same life
then
even if you don't understand
the language
you get trust
yes
I think so
I don't know
if this is a human thought
but
how do you think
the animals
in zoos or aquariums
I feel sorry for them
I understand
that's what I think
animals
humans
if they are put in a cage
I wanna go out
I think
I wanna run away
it's the same
first of all
I think
the animals
in zoos
I think
they never feel happy
27:00
but how about
animals who are born
out there
they only know the life
in the cage
I don't know
like Chichi
didn't want to go to the sea
maybe
Chichi
for example
she used to be a
slay
slay cat
slay cat
but
she used to
like she wanted to go out
like
2 years ago
now she is
in a house all the time
she became lazy cat
and also
I think she feels safe in the house
so
even in a limited space
she knows there are no enemies
and there is warm food
she thinks this is the best
so the animals
in zoos are not pitiful
maybe
it depends on
how the sea queen treats them
and also
depends on
what world they have seen
but
when I think about it
I feel sorry for
the slay cats
who were brought from the sea
I feel sorry for them
if they were born there
it might be a good theory
but
coming from the sea
is a big deal
but they always get food
they get food
and they are not in danger
but
sharks were angry
sharks
sharks
and sharks are very interesting
so
the documentary I watched
lately about whale
was it whale?
in the documentary
it was called whale
I don't know if it was whale shark
it was
killer whale
sounds cool
the name is scary
killer is
killing killer?
killer whale
they are supposed to kill
everything
I think they are capable
enough to kill anything
they want
so
one of the killer sharks
in San Diego
attacked a human being
more than one time
but
the
great people at the sea land
30:00
kept having him
at the show
and also
having a
take his sperm
and
they kept hiding it
and gave birth to a third child
but it was not
like
the environment
that they have
a killer whale in the pool
was too small
for them
because they are supposed to swim
160 km
in a day
so
their physical ability and body size
are very big
so
it doesn't
fit
in the pool
so they were stressed
and attacked
so I think
they did something
so
attack means kill people?
they didn't kill everyone
they bit
so
the first time
it was an accident
they can do something
but they didn't
they kept giving birth
to more and more
you know the shark in the market
they kept giving birth
to more and more
so
I felt
I can't do that
I see
killer whale
is such a smart animal
yeah
intelligent level is higher
they are strong human too
in a documentary
they have
family
in the ocean
they have their society
they have
and they are so strong
stronger than shark
they are big
they are big
they are fast
they look cute
so
every time I go to aquarium
I think
if
they only see
that environment
their whole life
they don't threat by killing
by other animals
I want to eat sushi
wait
wait
I feel sorry for them
but I want to eat
I want to eat fish
human ego
but
but
what about circus?
circus
circus
circus
33:00
they are used by sharks
but
it depends on how they are bought
for example
if they are kept in a small cage
I think
they have
wild life
but
they are so kind
like a family
and
it depends on their species
like a dog
can be really
I mean they are friendly
to humans
but maybe
their wild life
is closer to their species
maybe
but
like you said
there is a human
raised by animal
if they are being
in a circus
if they are being
in a circus
maybe
they become circus member
that's my life
that's my life
I don't think they are that determined
but
I can get it
but I want to go out
I want to run away
but I can have food all the time
after this work
that's my life
I mean I don't think
they think in like
near future
how to live life
I don't know
how to
get food
but
they are just feeling
I don't know
if they are talking
but
they are feeling
maybe
if they think like that
like a human
they don't think
about past
or future
they are not determined
if they get hungry
they get food
if they move
they get compliments
that's it
yeah
I don't know
yeah
they are not happy
they are just living
if the life
is fulfilled
by enough of
working out
working out
enough of food
that's it
that's it
that's it
I'm not an animal scientist
but
humans are like that
they are happy
36:01
no matter how much they get angry
human ego that's it
like
humans are like
how to kill other species
how to raise
they are discussing
like humans
I'm just kidding
there is no end to this
like
what was it
animal
scientist
that's so weird
for me
it's so interesting
yeah
I'm going off topic
like
there are people
actually
falling in love
with animals
and
stuff
like
so
the people who
love
how do you say
to humans
people who love animals
and
stuff
like getting married to
a table
getting married to a rice cooker
yeah
there is like one famous woman
who married with
Eiffel Tower
that person's articles are coming out
so
Eiffel Tower
didn't say they want to get married
it's so one-sided
yeah
but
it's not
a matter of law
Eiffel Tower doesn't have a will
so
I don't think they care
this is my husband
yeah
and
don't give a shit
like
I'm not making fun of them
I'm serious
but they don't have a will
so it's up to them
but
the society
Minami is funny
this is
I was serious
when I heard
their documentary
I don't think
they care
but if I make them laugh
it's rude
can I laugh?
it's not good
it hurts
but whatever
so anyway
I watched some
39:01
what was it
YouTube interview
that who has
objective
not phobia
I don't like phobia
yeah
object fire
object file
like file
object
file
like a zoo file
yeah
or like
object sexuality
that sounds
more makes sense
but
not like table or
effort
I said I like companies
idea
company
itself
I like black companies
I heard that
like
I
really wanna
understand
how people think differently
than me
no matter what they think
open up
I like black companies
it's kinda like a preference
but
she loves
that company
addicted to it
more
but that doesn't mean
she wanna work
with them
I don't know
details
but if they say that
I don't know
about the company
too much
so I think
they are
sexist
like
categorizing
is
too much
I think
they just wanna
categorize people
there are
LGBT diversity
polyamory
yeah
beyond human
animals
things
are sexual
diversity
is there
until that diversity
society
try to recognize
they wanna be recognized
I think
there will be
no order
though I
want to understand
I don't need
to relate
that feeling
but
I think
we should have
minimum
social security
and
idea is
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honestly
I don't know
what to say
black
company
and
sexuality
how does it make sense
I feel
how do they marry
with him
it
them
people love idols
and artists
yeah
same
like Oshikatsu
they don't want to marry
or have sex
they just love
and support
but
when I see that file
why
things
companies
they don't
want to have
love
physically
scientifically
they don't want to
have
on the other hand
I don't know
strange
like
we can't deny
love
we can't understand
people
people love
cars, games
and idols
right
I want to define
something beyond love
like
Akane loves Hanayori Dango
I want to marry
with Domyoji
that
it's not judo
that
if it
cross some line
then
I might feel like
I wanna be
object
object sexuality
to
Hanayori Dango
maybe
something
above
so
they want to be
certified
with something
like
human being marriage
like
it's hard
this
time
is changing people
maybe
but
love diversity
but
this
debate
often
gay people
love is love
it's illegal
to not have
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marriage
I think it's
contradiction
if we talk about love
it's not legal
so
it's not
it's not
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah
so
sorry
sorry
sorry
oh
sorry
sorry
okay
hi
hi
thank you
thank you
thank you
thank you
thank you
It becomes something interesting, just like how Memeka laughed earlier.
It makes you laugh, but you don't really understand the meaning of it.
Yeah.
And...
But, like...
There's a thing called Shounisei Aisha, right?
Shounisei Aisha?
You don't know that?
Shouni?
Children, children.
Ah.
Okay.
Children...
In a sense...
You mean lolicon?
Well, the reality of it is worse.
And...
Right now, it's a crime.
Yeah.
Because the person is a child.
Yeah.
And...
But, like, even that...
I've seen people say things like,
that sexual orientation should be protected in a strange way.
Like, on Twitter.
Well, it's Twitter, so...
That doesn't count.
That's how it is, but...
Like...
There's no end to it.
That's true.
So, I don't know where to start.
Like, as time and research progresses,
I don't know if what Minami is laughing about right now
will become inhumane.
Yeah.
I don't really know.
It's crazy.
Too much tolerance, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
Like, when it comes to gay people,
they are still interactive to each other.
Yeah.
They have a...
Like a...
They have the feeling they wanna make it as a partner.
They...
How do you say?
Like, they already commit to each other.
That's why it's easier for them to live together.
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But when it comes to animals,
and, like, just those object stuff,
they don't react.
So, it's just your ego sometimes.
It can be like that.
That's why it doesn't make sense.
And it's not as...
I don't know if I can say it,
but it's not as important as those issues.
Yeah.
Like...
You can do it by yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
That's why...
Well, if you look it up, there are articles like that.
Yeah.
I'm interested in Minami, so I look it up,
but I think it's important that the world doesn't pick it up more than necessary.
Yeah.
But, you know, Shonin,
kids don't have much power,
or, like, shikou,
to battle with adults.
Yeah.
That's why it should be prohibited
for their safety.
I mean, it would never happen with, like,
consensus between those two people,
anyways,
if the kids were 10 years old.
Well, I think it's a crime, but...
I think it's okay if kids want it.
Do they want it?
Yeah.
Like, they really like this adult.
I don't know because I don't know much about sex education,
but right now,
Shonin-sei-aisha is recognized as a mental illness,
and there are places where it can be treated properly.
Akane said this earlier,
but if it's not a partnership where the other person has a will and it's backed up,
it won't go until it's meaningless,
but it won't happen, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, for people with animals,
maybe they understand the feeling because they're animals.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, they're happy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know if that's their true intention,
but maybe they want to marry their pet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what you mean, right?
Yeah.
You don't want to see it as a pet in the first place, right?
Yeah.
It's a partnership, right?
Yeah.
There are about 30 people in Germany who are active in that way.
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Yeah.
There are partners who don't have sex as an equal relationship,
and there are places where they do, but...
Yeah.
Yeah.
So in the end, it depends on what kind of animal it is.
Yeah.
I don't know if I want to settle there,
but if it feels good, I'll do it.
Animals have their own conditions.
Yeah.
And if it's comforting, then they want to stay with humans.
Yeah.
I don't think it has to be a partner.
Yeah.
So maybe one person is saying it's abnormal.
So I want them to accept it as an emotion that goes beyond normal push.
Yeah.
But monkeys and chimpanzees are very human-like.
Yeah.
So maybe if it's something like that, the image will spread.
Yeah.
I want to raise this person as a child.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's a partner, but...
For example, I want to take a chimpanzee as a third-row wedding person.
Because it's my husband.
Is that kind of world line coming?
Yeah.
I don't know. I have no idea.
But...
For example.
But it's kind of difficult.
You said earlier that animals are raised by...
No, not that.
Humans are raised by animals.
For example, to a child who is about to be born.
In a relationship, if it's a good thing, you can do anything.
That's how it's raised, right?
Yeah.
But I don't think it works at the end of the day.
How so?
Because we are totally different animals from the bottom.
So it's kind of hard to live as equal in any situation.
We can hang out, we can, you know, have dinner together.
But we can't do the same thing.
They can't do the same things as humans.
Because the body and the brain are all different.
We can live together, but at the same level,
it's 100% difficult to do something socially.
Makes sense.
So if that's recognized, the Earth will go crazy.
So you don't have to have a good ear?
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I don't know.
So...
If you don't have rules, you're a social animal.
Is it human ego?
It's not, right?
No, I totally agree with Agane.
You can have a lion with you,
but from a lion's point of view,
you can't hunt like yourself, right?
You can't run at the same speed as yourself, right?
And wolves, too.
Because you can't bite this meat, right?
We don't have the same ability as animals as well.
So it's difficult to live together.
That's why humans can only live with animals that don't have this ability.
I think it's more natural for animals to have this ability.
I think people with this special ability
want to exceed the human potential in some way.
Humans are surprisingly weak.
We have brains, but...
Dogs don't catch a cold like humans do.
Because they have hair.
We're such a weak animal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's true.
If you eat raw meat, you'll get a stomachache.
I think diversity is as important as space.
I think we need to think about how far we can go
in the next phase of diversity.
We need to think about how far we can go
in the next phase of diversity.
I think we need to think about how far we can go
in the next phase of diversity.
In the primitive era, were there gays and lesbians?
Primitive era?
They wanted to have babies.
But in the Edo era, there were a lot of gays.
No, I'm talking about the primitive era.
They just wanted to live as animals.
They wanted to be closer to animals.
In that era, it was definitely men and women.
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Because they want to fuck.
Because they want to fuck or because they want to live.
How do I put this?
For example, in the era of hunting,
or in the era of risk of death,
if you don't make a family,
you can't survive as a species,
and you become weak.
Some people may want to be gay,
but I don't think there's a reason to choose that.
The priority is food,
sleep, and food.
I think the idea of love
has become something that can't be thought of.
I think that's how much the world has matured.
In the primitive era,
there weren't many options.
There were still a lot of heterosexuals.
Today's elementary school students
don't resist.
It's normal.
In that sense,
it's a convenient world,
where people can protect their lives.
That's why options have been born.
Even if you do something,
you don't get executed,
so you can live as a human being.
Even in the primitive era,
I think there are people with that potential.
As society evolves,
the way of love changes.
If you think about it,
it's the same as animals' situation.
If they can make sure that safety,
food, health, and live,
they might love humans.
So the animal side is evolving?
Yes, it's not evolving anymore.
If you go outside,
you don't have to hunt.
You don't have to think about going outside.
As long as you don't have a brain,
I don't think ego will be born.
It's like self-fulfillment.
I think they don't have that.
Humans have a lot of potential,
but it's not developed yet.
It's in the middle of evolution.
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It's in the middle of evolution,
whether it will be destroyed by technology or war,
or will it evolve further?
I think the next generation is
anti-animal,
anti-animal,
and anti-idea.
So the next stage,
in your opinion,
is to protect
what is above the main.
I don't know what you mean.
So diversity
has to end somewhere.
For example,
there will be no racial discrimination,
and the freedom of marriage
will be done between humans.
I think there is still room for discussion
about polyamory,
but the society is trying to
promote sexual ideas
that are beyond the main.
I don't understand it
even if I think about it.
But I want to hear the story.
I want to hear the story of an expert
rather than the story of someone else.
How can I say this?
We are living in the modern age.
We are still in our 30s.
We are in the middle of it.
So I don't want to be
too important.
If I am too important,
I will lose my knowledge
and become stupid.
So I don't want to study
a lot of things.
I didn't expect
this kind of story.
There are a lot of things.
But now,
veganism is a big thing.
It's a trend.
But
what do you think about it?
Well,
in the end,
there are only animals
that people want to protect.
Basically,
cows, pigs, and birds.
So,
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it's up to each person.
If we don't take protein from animals,
our health will be affected.
We don't take supplements.
Until we do that,
I agree with
mass-produced livestock.
For example,
beef bowl or hamburger.
It's an impossible price.
There are a lot of livestock
and they are forced to be fat.
That's why it's a low price.
We have to study
how to live.
But there are too many poor people.
We can't live
on cheap food.
In the end,
humans should be prioritized.
It's sad.
So,
we have to solve the problem
as long as we don't make
animals eat
junk food.
Veganism is a dreamy story.
It's a rich man's
way of thinking.
You should die.
Because we are human.
We can make it
if we die.
I agree.
We can't even discuss
this.
I think it's a forbidden conclusion.
We all have something
to protect ourselves.
For example,
Sea Shepherd
or Peter
might be eating
something else
or hurting others.
Humans.
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In the end, something has to be sacrificed.
We can't live.
It doesn't have to be too much
all the time.
Produce too much
pets
too many things.
Too many people.
Too many things.
I agree.
We can't live on our own.
We can't do business on our own.
I don't want to criticize
veganism or Peter.
We have to do what we can.
If I had to choose,
I want to do my best for Okinawa.
I don't care about
other people.
I want to protect my roots.
I don't care about
my ego.
I am who I am.
For example,
if I become a vegan,
I don't have to worry about other people.
I just do what I can.
If that person is fulfilled,
it's a good life.
It's not about
how many percent you achieve every year.
I think it's a bonus.
If you are passionate about something,
it's good.
As Akane said,
it's not about
how many percent you achieve every year.
It's not about dying.
No matter how you choose your life,
you will sacrifice something.
I think
no one
can live a life
that can justify themselves.
If you know that,
you can live your life.
That's right.
That's how
the cycle of life goes.
It's like a pyramid.
There is a lion on top,
and there is a shaman under it.
It goes round and round.
That's why life goes on.
It's like a bee.
Because of the bees,
all life goes on.
If there's no life,
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mankind will die.
We should get on that cycle.
Naturally.
We can't always
protect something perfectly,
but we should make it smoothly.
Smoothly?
Smooth?
Smoothie...
I am just saying that it's good for your stomach.
Don't laugh!
It's funny.
I don't know what I want to say.
Today's conclusion is...
Today's conclusion is not yet, but...
It's about life.
You just have to face it.
That's why we say,
Gochisousama.
It's a wonderful word.
You have to eat with all your heart.
You have to take good care of your body.
That's the only way to live.
You have to protect what is close to you.
You just have to do what you can.
That's all for today.
Bye-bye!
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