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Hello, everyone.
Hello, guys.
Hi.
Yes.
Yeah, Hideki, we want to know your art. I am interested.
Can I hear your voice? It's too low.
Hi, everyone.
Are you with headset?
Yeah, I was in headset.
Okay, okay.
Yeah, if you take it off, we can hear you.
Yeah, so what's going on?
Oh, I'm good.
I'm not sure with others.
Yo, what's up?
Oh, you're here. Hello, Mr. D.
Yes, Hideki-san.
Hi. Nice.
How are you, man?
What do you say?
Yodish and Navin are some of your friends.
Yeah, how are you, Hideki?
Very good. Very good.
Just in Tokyo, it's quite hot.
But this morning was rainy.
But in this afternoon, it's one o'clock in the afternoon.
Yeah, just a cloudy day.
Now it's good.
It's great.
Sunny day out here.
Oh, really? Good.
Sunny day means like it's in the evening, morning?
In the afternoon.
Almost noon.
This is, yeah, it's still morning in Indonesia, 11.38.
Oh.
So, you are, both of you are artists?
Or you're creating something?
Photography?
Oh, I'm not.
But I'm interested in art.
Oh, good, good.
So, you're working on the insurance company?
Or, I don't know.
But I'm an artist.
I'm making some, yeah, wooden sculptures and so on.
Oh, that's wonderful.
I come from human resources industry.
I'm a consultant.
Say it again?
What kind of industry?
Human resources industry.
Human resources.
Yes.
This is, yes, this is the department where it manages the human resources or people in the organization.
Yeah.
So, you're working on several companies?
I am collaborating with companies, yes.
Yeah, I own my own company.
Oh, that's cool.
Yes, yes.
My friend Yogi here is an artist.
Oh, really?
Yogi, nice meeting you.
Hideki-san, actually we met before, you know.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah, I still remember you.
But, you know, you might be from, yeah, I forgot about me.
Because it was, I believe it was like a few, no, months ago, I guess.
We talked about NFTs and metaphors.
Uh-huh.
Yes.
Yeah.
What's going on with this subject?
You mean the thing that we talked before when I met you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Actually, it was interesting because there was a female artist from Argentina or Italy.
Yeah, Italy.
She was, yeah, she was almost 50.
And she asked questions about.
I see, I see.
Yeah, right.
So we both kind of like instruct her, you know, step by step how to open the crypto wallet and how to get into the NFT platform.
Like, you know, sort of things that she must do as a beginner, you know, to get into the NFTs or crypto art.
So we both kind of like instruct her, yeah.
I still remember that conversation.
Yeah.
So, Yodish, that's the reason.
But Yodish and Yogi met before.
Hi, Black.
Good to see you.
Hello, everyone.
We are just talking art, I think.
Okay, okay.
Which part of the art?
Art is, yeah.
This is wide area, I think, art.
When we look at the art.
Music or culture, theater, movie, cinema, anime or something you want to share?
It's great to be here.
I want to listen to you.
Is anybody want to share your favorite movie or something?
That's going to be good, I think.
I want to ask you, in your creative process, probably, could you start from why you or how you started to become an NFT artist?
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And then what is your creative process?
Wow.
Yeah, I met on a clubhouse with Portland from a US friend.
He just sent me the Tezos with my wallet.
I opened the wallet with the Tezos wallet and he sent me just $1, $2 for the meeting price.
And after that, yeah, I tried to sell my artwork, just a photography of my wooden sculpture.
And, yeah, it was not really good success, but it sold.
And, yeah.
I'm sorry, my car stopped.
Yeah, something like that.
Interesting.
How about your creative process?
Could you elaborate on that?
If anybody want to share, but if you want to share something, you can join.
But, yeah, creating process is that, yeah, actually in the NFT world is that maybe in the super layer or foundation, it's okay for just creativity with an artwork.
But in the open sea, many artists try to do collectibles, like generative art, like Bored Ape, CryptoPunks.
Yeah, so that's why I just started to create some little community now.
You know, everything about it is so foreign to me, but I'm interested to know.
Hmm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
One of the Indonesian artists called Gozali, he took a picture of himself for how many years?
Three years or four years?
Four years, yeah.
Four years, right?
Yes.
Four years.
And then he assembled all the pictures throughout the years and put it as one big art.
Hmm.
He sold it for, in Indonesian currency, it's around 2.7, around, I think it got to billion dollar, I mean, billion rupiahs.
I don't know how it is transcribed to yen, but he gains so much monetary out of it.
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So that's a good point.
And art always trying to make a happening, you know.
That picture of himself was, it was so funny topics, like Banksy, you know, that's happening.
That's why he got the money for that, I think.
So, for example, NFT art is just only JPEG.
If 1000 JPEG with just a little bit different attribute or motif, like a knife or katana or face cover mask,
then people want to have it because it's a part of the community.
It's holding this art as a community building.
You don't think so?
That is interesting because this is something I am somehow exposed to, even though I'm not an artist.
But there are many rooms in Clubhouse talking about NFT.
And the rooms are usually full.
They talk so much about the process of it, how they're able to somehow go around it.
I do not understand all the conversation because I am not engaged in NFT.
However, this is something that is so much creative, where art is not only something that is tangible.
It is something also that you can create that is, I'm not saying intangible.
What do you call that? Art in metaphors?
This kind of form is something that we did not find prior to the pandemic.
I don't know. When was NFT founded?
When was it?
It was in 2017 already.
That's when CryptoPunks was the first project.
Crypto Kitty? I don't know what it's called.
It was in 2017 already.
But OpenSea opened it and Ethereum connected to the ERC20 token to make blockchain more sustainable, I think.
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That's why NFT got the position or confidence from the world, I think.
I actually have many more questions, but I want to give this opportunity to other friends, Guy, Mar and Vinyas.
Go ahead, gentlemen.
Hello there. Hi.
I was wondering, I'm listening to your conversation, which is really amazing.
I just want to ask you something.
You're already into NFT.
And the thing is, a lot of people, artists like us, are not there yet.
And my question is, if someone is failing in NFT, what are the reasons?
I'm sorry, Vinyas. Can you please repeat your question again?
The last part of your sentence.
I'm sorry.
The question is, a lot of artists are trying NFT, right?
A lot of digital artists are trying it.
So, what are the possibilities of failure?
Like, what are the mistakes that beginners are doing there?
I just want to know that before I'm getting in there.
Hideki-san, do you want to answer it?
I'm not really catch up the question yet.
But Yogi, could you understand a little bit?
Ah, yes, of course.
So, Vinyas, thank you for your question.
I will try my best to answer your question based on my personal experience.
And I cannot say that this experience of mine can speak on behalf of other artists.
In art world, the experience of each artist can be very different.
Because the art world is very, very flexible.
And, you know, somehow it's because of the spirit of anti-establishment.
So, the art world is progressing rapidly.
So, but to answer your question, you know, NFT art and crypto art is quite new.
If you compare to the art genre or art form, you know, in any form.
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Because for my personal point of view, the emergence of NFT art,
one of the biggest reason why it become trend is because of the pandemic, you know.
I am an artist and I've been doing this for almost 15 years, I guess.
And I do paintings.
So, you can say that I am quite a conventional artist.
And not really into digital platform.
But when NFT art becoming trend and thing in the contemporary art scene,
I began to show interest.
The most interesting part about NFT art is that, you know,
it exists as a solution for artists to help them, you know, express the idea.
And also to, you know, to take part as a professional artist in the contemporary art world.
Because with the NFT art, artists can, you know, can make art easily.
Like Hideki-san said before, that if you like, you know, draw anything on Procreate or, you know, digital platform,
and then you have a JPEG file as a result.
And with only that, you can, you know, you can publish,
you can showcase your art worldwide with a little bit of financial support.
You don't need to have much, of course.
Let's say you have only $10.
You can do it right away.
You can showcase your artwork and then you can engage with collectors that are interested,
that possibly have interest to collect your work.
And this is very easy.
Of course, there's also risk in it.
This is to answer your question.
So most of the beginner NFT artists, they tend to, you know, how do I say this?
Not aware of the financial strategy or how to make yourself, you know,
properly noticed by the collectors or the, you know, public.
Because you have to really start step by step.
Let's say you are a beginner artist and then you know NFT because of all the big news about how the artist,
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how an amateur artist make millions just by, you know, posting their artwork.
This is only special cases for only special artists.
It's not, you know, the thing is not happening for anyone, for everyone.
So you have to really make sure that you have a plan.
Like you don't, my advice is you don't sell your work with a high price first.
Because it will guarantee that you have like a prolonged career, you know.
Let the public and let the collectors know that you are a creative person.
You are into something.
You are showing a, how do I say this?
Like an intensive creative process.
It's not for one big hit and then you're gone.
So you are really serious.
If you are considering yourself as a serious artist or at least you want to try to become a professional artist,
you have to really care about your career.
So don't make or don't take a high price first on your debut, you know, in becoming a NFT artist.
Like the typical mistakes is often committed by a beginner artist in NFT artwork.
Because they want to show the artwork really, really in a high price.
And secondly, you know, also still related to this, beginner artists, beginner NFT artists,
they tend to think that because, you know, digital platform is, how do I say this?
It is duplicable.
You can duplicate or replicate your art limitless.
You can make a billion copy out of one work that you've done by Photoshop or Procreate.
So a lot of beginner artists, they tend to think that, oh, you know, I'm going to make a million of it.
I'm going to, I can duplicate my artwork.
So they duplicate, you know, they duplicate the artwork up into like 100 pieces.
In contemporary art, we call it addition.
So most of beginner artists, they tend to make like 100 additions or 100 copies of a single artwork.
This is not a good strategy.
Because the artwork, you know, it can have a very expensive price is because it's rarity.
It is pretty similar to antique stuff.
So, you know, you have to make sure that your artwork still have that rarity.
You know, don't make too many copies.
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Like let's say for starter, let's say that you make, when you want to make an NFT art, let's say just make 10 or 20 addition, 20 copies of your single artwork.
That is really good strategy.
And don't take a high price, you know, of your artwork.
Start with a low price first.
And then you can eventually raise your price bit by bit.
So this is the first, this is the thing that I can share with you about the mistake that's often committed by beginner NFT artists.
I hope it will help you.
Thank you so much.
Oh, thank you so much, man.
Thank you so much.
I really do appreciate that you gave me an elaborated explanation, especially like you started with an introduction.
And then you gave me the proper replay.
And like, yeah, you covered a lot.
Thank you so much, brother.
Like you enlightened me a little bit.
Thanks a lot for that.
Hello.
Thank you very much for Yogi to sharing about your thought.
And yeah, Piggy, yeah, you got some idea about that?
Yeah, I got a lot of information from him.
What he was saying, especially like the pricing, the art, and like making copies, like making it like rare.
So it's all matters there.
Yeah.
Even in the traditional artworks, it is matter.
So what he's saying is making sense.
A lot of sense.
Yeah.
Now I should, I have to go to pick up my artwork to the gallery today.
In the actual world, you know.
If you want to continue these rooms, you can continue it, Yogi.
Because there are many friends here.
Or may I close these rooms?
Yeah, okay.
Have a great day, bro.
Thanks.
Take care, man.
Thank you so much.
