#22【ゲスト:物質主義から脱却中 Tomoa Ishihara】Google Mobile Apps Marketing Strategist

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What's up guys! This is iYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.

In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan, Japanese and English.

Hi guys!

This is iYASASA RADIO by Akane and Minami.

In this radio, we are going to talk about random topics in Okinawan, Japanese and English.

Nice to meet you.

I met you like 7 years ago.

7 years ago in Yoyogi Kouen.

Yoyogi Kouen.

Yoyogi Kouen or the bar I had an event at Nakame.

The place I met Norman.

So that bar, Akane and Norman met for the first time.

Norman is your husband?

Wow!

I think that was the last time.

He is Cupid.

I've been asking her to be on our show.

Fortunately, she came to Okinawa for this week.

She goes to some event later.

Before that, she came to iYASASA RADIO.

Nice to meet you.

It's first time I met her actually.

She is like very friendly and easy-going happy person.

So I love her.

She is like an easy-going person.

I feel the same.

We haven't met for a long time.

When I asked her to be on our show, she said OK in 5 seconds.

She is quick to make a decision.

Thank you for this opportunity.

So you are on vacation right now?

Yes, I'm on vacation.

I just came here last night.

I'll be here for a week.

How do you like Okinawa so far?

I just got hungry last night.

So I don't really have the time to explore this yet.

But today, I'm staying at the Uchinan Dori.

It's near Tsubogawa.

It's close to Akane.

It's the oldest place in Okinawa.

Yes, I think so.

Until now, I've only seen Okinawa's resort area.

You said you went to Ishigaki.

Yes, Ishigaki.

I also went to Ueno for my wedding.

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It's weird to say the real Okinawa.

I've only been to tourist spots.

But this time, I went to the market on Kokusai Dori.

It's super local.

It's deep.

But you understand what I want to say.

I was really impressed.

Impressed?

She likes that vibe.

I was excited and bought chicken karaage.

Did you give it to her?

Yes, she gave it to me.

It was pretty spicy.

That's the place we always hang out.

I think it's fun to go to Sakae-machi.

I'm so happy when tourists say that Okinawa's local area is great.

I don't know.

I'm going to talk about that again.

He was wearing a white tank top.

He was selling speakers on the right.

I was like, who's buying that?

He was just chilling, feeling the sun.

I was like, who is this guy?

I thought it was a life goal.

I understand.

I thought it was a life goal.

There are a lot of people.

I often see people wondering what they are doing every day.

I thought it was really nice.

There was a local coffee shop right next to the speaker shop.

It was super organic.

I was wondering if there was a place selling beans.

There was a pink neon sign on a white wall.

It was really stylish.

There was a cafe with a lot of organic plants.

I was like, what is this Tsugihagi feeling?

It was really nice.

I agree.

It felt like I was in a cafe.

It felt like I was in Southeast Asia.

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I agree.

The more I walked on Kokusai Dori, the more I felt like I was a tourist.

It was really fun to walk.

It was a 7 minute walk.

It got darker and darker.

It was a 7 minute walk.

I was brought back to the real world.

I was like a donkey.

You can enjoy the contrast.

It was a beautiful graduation.

It was fun.

I hope you will join us.

Let me go back to her introduction.

The listener doesn't know about her.

She is working at Google now.

Yes.

Everyone knows about Google.

Everyone knows about it.

I have no idea what you guys are doing at work.

I want to ask you about that.

Please ask me.

Google and...

It's an IT company from the beginning.

How did you get interested in the IT world?

I will tell you more about Google.

I graduated from a university in 2014.

Which university?

Waseda.

Long story short, I wanted to be a journalist.

I see.

Because my mom is a journalist.

I always wanted to be a journalist.

At that time, I came back from the US.

I studied there for 6 or 7 months.

I had an ex-boyfriend.

I was young.

Of course, we were in love.

I wanted to go back to San Diego.

We lived together.

My ex-boyfriend was saying,

He was saying irresponsible things like,

When I got married,

My parents were basically saying,

I will support you.

I also said that I want to go to grad school.

So that I'm not going to be dependent on him.

My parents were suggesting me,

Maybe it's the time of the year

that you can do job hunting.

So why don't you do it?

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As you guys know,

IT and media were very popular at that time.

All the media was bad.

But I got this offer from some IT companies.

But my plan is I'm not going to go there.

I kept studying and I was hoping

I ended up in San Diego for grad school

I kept studying and I was hoping

with my ex-boyfriend.

Which didn't happen because my ex-boyfriend was

cheating on me with turkey or whatever.

It reminds me of my...

Your ex too?

Is it the same person?

Just take it as a joke.

So I gave up.

I didn't want to see my reality.

So I just decided to do backpacking.

last day of like March, no, March, and then I just realized, oh shit, I have to work

starting from tomorrow. And then, それが楽天だったのね。

I started my career as a Rakuten.

But, バックパッカーはどこに行ったの?

バックパッカーね、えっと、

I did for 8 months, 3 months in Europe, but only east side of Europe.

Middle east, but it's Turkey, Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, Israel.

楽しそう。

Did you just go there by yourself?

そう、by myself.

超楽しかったよ。

で、その後にI went to South America, no, South Africa.

わ、楽しそう。

全部楽しかった。

I spent my last 3 months in South America.

で、最後マイアミ行ってパーティーして。

あ、やっぱシメをパーティー。

そうそうそう。

いいね。

そして、楽天に就職をした。

そう、そう。

Cause I didn't really enjoy working at Rakuten.

There's some reasons, but like...

OK, let's skip that.

How many years have you been in Rakuten?

3 yearsかな。

I was also there.

いいね、でも3年もやるって。

Patience.

そうでした。

So how did your working environment change since you joined into Google?

本当にね、びっくりしたですね。

何だろう、どこまで言っていいかな。

As much as you can.

そうだな。

まず会社と個人のすごいリレーションシップが違うなと思ってて。

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楽天の時は、

they gave us goals of achievement that we have to provide to the company,

but at the same time they are also providing how we do it,

and then how much we do it.

だから、it's pretty much like micromanagement.

でもGoogleの会社は私に目標を設けない。

私は自分の目標を設けている。

So I can have this stretch goal,

or I can have this more realistic goal,

based on what I can provide to the company.

でももちろん、

it's better to provide something that's like,

go beyond my possibility,

my offering, of course.

でも、

since you have this ownership of the goal that you are trying to achieve,

何だろう、

you are motivated,

because that's not like someone says,

これやりなさい。

It's more like,

OK, I'm going to do it.

だから、

やってる時も、

自分でセットしたものって、

自分でアチーブするの楽しいじゃん。

Like this radio.

だから、

そういう意味では、

もともと結構マインドブローイングだった。

それの方が、

やっぱり合ってる。

でも、

そうだろうね。

みんな多分そうなんじゃないかな。

なんかわかんないけどさ、

英語とか、

二人ともすごい英語上手だけど、

いきなり、

中学の時に、

この単語覚えなさいとか言われたら、

ちょっと嫌だったと思うんだけど、

留学自分で選択的に行って、

自分で覚えたい単語とかあるとかだけで、

全然それのリレーションチップ違うから、

きっと人に言われるっていうよりも、

自分から選択していくっていうことは、

私だけとかじゃなくて、

日本の企業とか、

企業だけじゃなくて、

人生においても、

持つべきことだなって思いました。

I don't see like so many companiesとか、

スクールもだけど、

エデュケーションの中でも、

そういうフリースタイルみたいな、

You can set your goalみたいな、

シチュエーションあんまりないよね。

ないね。

考える時間は、

Since we are doing freelancer,

it's always we set our goal,

and we decide what we do.

Otherwise, nobody even cares.

だけど、

カンパニーに所属してる時は、

そういう前の会社のような、

スタイルが主流だから、

その環境を自分で作っていく、

もっと幸せになるかもしれない。

So, what's gonna happen if you can't achieve your goal?

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Are you gonna get fired?

No.

外資の厳しい感じ?

そうだよね。

So, we basically have two goals.

One is,

何て言うんだろう。

It's numberの目標。

Revenue-wise.

This one, we don't have any control over it.

So, if we didn't achieve any revenue goals,

ただ、うちらの。

We have a less bonus.

That's it.

And the other factor is,

we set a goal,

it's more like how we approach to hit this revenue.

で、それは、

If I didn't really achieve the goal,

if there's some reason,

it's more reasonable reason,

my manager or the team will understand.

And then, also we find something that we can work on together.

So, yeah.

It's not really like we have to pay back or we get fired or anything like that.

But, yeah.

So, basically,

the company is responsible for, you know,

having the...

従業員をちゃんと養う責任を持っているけど、

その中で自由にさせている。

Such a big company.

Do you search a thing only on Google?

Do you use Yahoo?

それ結構面白そうだね。

ビング使ってます。

でも、そうだね。

I only use Google.

But since you're working on the Google,

you need to use other platform to compare with the service-wise.

いや、そんなことない。

興味ない?

勝ちすぎて。

いやいやいや、全然。

普通にでも検索はI use Google.

But, like,

Google have a lot of,

何だろう、web products, right?

So, like, we have YouTube,

we have Google Maps,

and we have, like,

Google Chats and calendars and stuff.

So, yeah.

I think mostly I just use Google

because it's like something that I use at work.

So, it's really simple to use it.

What department do you work for?

ありがとうございます。

So, how we make money is basically,

so, like, we don't really charge users

to use Google Maps or Google whatever.

So, instead, like,

we have mainly two,かな?

Two revenue resources.

One is Ads Revenue,

and the other one is Google Cloud.

It's more cloud service.

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So, maybe you guys, like,

use YouTube,

or when you Google something,

there's always ads that annoy you.

So, that's what I'm, like,

selling to the companies.

Are you hired by, like, main Google?

こちらがGoogleの

大きい会社としてはアルファベットなんだけど

アルファベットという会社があって

and then we have Google Japan.

これは独立した会社一応。

Google Japan 合同会社というところに

私は所属しております。

That's interesting.

謎に包まれたGoogle社。

I think there are only ones for eating lunch.

Oh, really?

え、六本木?

六本木にあったとき、そう。

そうか。

I didn't go there when...

今渋谷ですよね?

そう、一年前に。

So, last October,

we moved to Shibuya from Roppongi.

And that is, like,

right next to Shibuya Station.

But I just went there for

4 months,かな?

So, then this corona thing happened

and then I'm not really allowed to go back

to the office yet.

Well, actually I can now.

Starting from last month?

Last week?

今なんですけど、まだ戻ってないって感じです。

I have a question.

Once we talked about the episode

about social media depression.

このインスタのやりすぎとかで

メンタルをやられる若い女性が多い

みたいな話だったんだけど、

この検索エンジンとかを

知ってる側?

運用してる側が

自分で気を付けてることとかってあるんですか?

Googleとして?

別に友達さん個人としてもいいけど

使いすぎ病になったり

Are you even getting sick about it?

いい質問だね。

でも私結構

変なフィーリングなんだけど

Every time I engage with phone

この携帯って

It basically gives you a lot of adrenaline high.

When you get some like notification

or when you open up your Instagram

and then if there's like red button on your right

like adrenaline kicks inじゃん。

It's like ウッてなる。

でもそれってすごいなんか

It's really addictiveね。

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So I think like there's a two way of like using this

like internet like a technology whatever

so if you just go if you have some like

you should think about oh why like for example

like sky is blue, why is that?

と思って

If you want to know the answer

and go to Google search

and then if you google it

and then if you get the answer

いい関係だと思うのね。

Because like you still own your

なんていうの

You use it as a like a tool.

そうそうそうそう

To expand my knowledge.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

So that's just like a toolじゃん。

でも

So if you go to like I don't know like Twitter, Instagram

and there's a notification going on

and then you get high on that

that is pretty bad relationship.

だから私は

So at the time I just like

One time I got really freaked out

was like Instagram and it's like

I'm not going to use it.

と思って

I actually deleted the

Instagram

for like two yearsとか

because I was also in a relationship

like with my ex-boyfriend

so like I didn't really use

I didn't any like business card

like aka Instagram

going on

but now I'm single so I just like

why the fuck I have to like

start using it so

まあ最近使ってるけど

I try not to use it

Yeah

って感じですかね

やっぱ誰にでもそういうときがあるんですね。

People in professional

としても

やっぱりインターネットは怖い部分と

なぜ空が青いかを答えてくれるのも

いいことであると

はい、思います。

So you told me about

the egg freezing.

Yes!

Egg freezing.

This is like a topic

you should listen to it.

I never met an actual person

who did egg freezing.

Frozen egg.

Whatever it's called.

Actually done it.

乱死を凍結するというお話です。

はい。

So what was the trigger

to do egg

凍結

まあいろんな長い話がある

まあ確かにね

ちょっと短縮版でいきますと

So the reason why I did

like egg freezing is

freezing egg, egg freezing

is so as I just mentioned

like casually I was

I just got out of my

longest relationship

last year.

I was

with my ex-boyfriend for 4 years

and then I was about to turn like 30 years

old and

I have this kind of benchmark that

I wanna have kids

by 32 or something

but it didn't happen

I freaked out like

I'm fucking 29

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and like turning 30 years

and I'm basically become nothing

and I'm old, I'm ugly

I'm nothing. I just have this mentality

and so basically last year

is the year that I fight

against all this

kind of

value that I had

and finding happiness

by myself and

finding the meaning of

the life

その中の一つが

egg freezing

and the reason

why I did egg freezing is because

I was

I thought that I really wanna have a kid

without actually

thinking about it was

my

core value because I think

the reason why I mainly think that

I really wanna have a kid is because

as a woman

like growing up in Japan

whatever I think anywhere else that

you think that

one of the reason why

we are living is like to

have

the next generation

and you also have this time limit

and when I think about it

so who am I?

what's the reason why I'm living here

if I don't really have the kids

I think about it strongly

and so

I didn't say it but

I just asked myself when I became single

do I really wanna have a kid?

and I said yes but why?

and I didn't have an answer

but like

at that time I thought that this is still pending

maybe I wanna have a kid

or maybe I'm not

but anyways

I think something that I can do for myself

is to prepare to have

more options

because one of the thing that I realized is like

if you have more options

I think

the definition of your happiness

is consistently changing

because you're changing and your world is changing

the people around you are changing

so what you can do for

yourself is

to have more options

so when I think about it

what can I do for myself

egg freezing is like

amazing technology

so basically you just get

your eggs out

and normally

if you guys know

when we have a period

not periods but

we have like one egg produced

but at that time

we actually have a lot of eggs

we have a lot of cells

and so

it naturally breaks down

and only one egg is left

and it breaks down

and it repeats

but with technology

we can inject hormones

and not just one but 10

and put the egg inside

and it freezes

and by doing that

we can use the egg

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when we want a baby

in the future

how long it takes

to you start thinking about it

freezing egg and actually doing it

so

I heard

egg freezing

I think that was something

in last May

and then I did it

last July

it's a quick decision

yes

did you have any

迷いは

迷いはなかったかな

でも

結構

egg freezing is amazing

but there's two

things that you have to think about

before you're doing it

one is it costs you a lot

because I basically spent

70万

to put the hormone

to myself

surgically

it costs you

70万円

and you also have to pay

70万円 annually

for keeping the freeze frozen

so it's not cheap

so

this is one thing

and the other one is

because you are

basically cheating on your

hormone balance

so you, I don't know how it works

but

you control your hormones a lot

so

it's actually a pretty funny story

so

the process is

you do it

and every day

you get a hormone injection

every day?

yes every day

it's really funny

you mix two hormones

into a syringe

and you do it

like this

so I did it for 10 days

I think the last

day or something

I had this trip

with my friends

and we all went there

so we were just like

there's like amazing airbnb

besides the beach and we have this

karaoke and we were just like singing

and I was like

I just started crying

I don't even know what's the reason

I just started crying

because of this hormone

balance

I didn't want to cry in front of my friends

and people were just like

oh my god I have to find somewhere to

cry

and then I was just like

there's no

like

I was trying to go to

the bathroom

but it's like busy

and I was like oh my god

and the only place that I can go

is like outside

but at the time it was having

heavy rain

I was just like crying in the rain

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by myself without knowing my reason

like

I cried

yeah

so I did that

and now

I didn't have PMS

but recently it's crazy

before my period

somehow

I don't really feel great

I cannot really control my appetite

I really want to eat

I was like why is that?

maybe because

I had this

did they tell you about the side effects?

or it depends on the person

yeah they didn't

oh I see

but

does it get better?

yeah

I think so

comparing with like crying in the rain

it definitely gets better

but

yeah

I heard that

you have a monthly period

so

you might get married

and you might

have a partner

but

at that time

you decided to

freeze your lunch

that's

unusual

like

that's like interesting

how you came up with that idea

it's so new

yeah it's so new

some people are talking about it in Tokyo

but

it's because

you want to have a healthy baby

that's the reason

yeah

that's the reason

the reason is

like

you want to have a choice

I think

so of course there is

a woman who can get pregnant

and then have a healthy child

at the age of like 45

so

I don't think it's impossible

it's also

a number game

because

there is a lot of stuff

to have a healthy baby

so I started

feeling that having a kid

is just a miracle

and then

I think

a lot of women including myself

think that

having a kid is something that you can

have control over

like you kind of had

with other stuff

for example, when you study hard

you can go to a good school

if you work hard, you get promoted

and then you feel like

you have this thought that

if you work hard on something

you get this reward

I think like that

but I think having a kid is really different

like first of all

you have to have healthy eggs

and sperms

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it's a miracle

because there is a lot of men

who doesn't really have

live sperms

and yourself as well

if you get old

the quality is actually deteriorating

every year, which is sad

and after that

you get pregnant

and it starts to show

and after 10 months

of growing

it's born

I think having a healthy egg

is a miracle

so as a wish

of course

I can only pray

for that happening

but at the same time

if you make this decision

that you can

have a little bit of a chance

by freezing your egg

at the early stage

of your life

so that

you can prepare

for a good thing

but

everyone was

thinking about

egg freezing

as we talked about

the usage is limited

so I think

you should think about it

so

in what situation

you'd actually be able to use your egg

to get pregnant with someone's sperm?

very good question

so this is a thing

that we have to really talk about

because

it's the ideal world

that if you have this

frozen egg, you can just keep it

and whenever you want

you just take it out and if you find someone

that's pretty cool

you just say, hey, do you want to have a kid with me?

and then without getting married

or even falling in love with this person

you just have an agreement

and have a kid, ideal world

but in Japan, there's a lot of regulation

of course, this is Japan

not like US or Europe

so what we can do

with this frozen egg is

so basically

this 2021

the usage of this

freezing egg is just for

purely married couple

who have

been trying to get pregnant

for over a year

so that's it

so

other use cases

for example

if you want to have a kid with your best friend

you can do that

unless you get actually

married

so

when I say that

to my friends

a lot of people

ask me, so why did you do that?

and

I have these two reasons

one is

so

I see it as more

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insurance

health insurance

because you never know

maybe you have this

cancer or whatever

and then

maybe you cannot produce your egg anymore

so if you have this frozen egg

you can use it

so this is like

so this is one usage

the other one is

if I meet someone

that changed my

body completely

maybe I really love him

and I just purely want to spend

time with him but maybe he

doesn't want to

have a kid right now

maybe he wants to have a kid in 10 years

or 20 years

at the age of 40 years

or 50 years

if I have this

option, a frozen egg

I can wait

instead of just accusing him

why don't you do it?

you don't love me

I have this option so that I can be

kind, I can be a better person

that's a good

way to keep a good relationship

the men

tend to want to have kids later

compared to the ladies

so that's a good way

I think there is always

conflict and controversial

topics

the more technology developed

the more options we have

and when it comes to the pregnant

it's like

not just the frozen egg

yeah

unnatural

pregnancy

not just the frozen egg

yeah

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I'm 40

yeah

I totally agree with it

it's your body

2021

as a person

got married already

we really

we want to have kids

but we really don't want right now

we want to focus on our

career

for a married couple

they can have more

options

to spend time together

yeah

what you can do is

you can actually froze your

embryo

it's not like

fertilized

yeah

definitely you have to

think about it

so cool

pretty cool

yeah

you wrote a blog

yeah

42:19

yeah

yes

yeah

when you meet some new idea or a new value that you never met before

For example, someone who earns 10 million yen is happier than someone who earns 2 million yen

Someone who doesn't have a child is happier than someone who doesn't have a child

Someone who is single is happier than someone who is single

I think that kind of determination really hurts everyone

It's not just hurting people who couldn't do it

There are people who don't feel happy even if they have it all

But it doesn't give them a chance to admit that they are unhappy

I think that kind of determination can only be freed from the pressure of society

by talking openly about your problems and worries

Let's all do it

That's good

We've all been pursuing our happiness

You've had a lot of jobs, relationships, creating eggs

What changed inside of you?

The definition of happiness, lifestyle-wise, anything?

I love this topic

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It changed completely, especially last year

When you turned 30?

Yes, especially when I became single

At the same time

At the same time I turned 30

I felt like living this life and to be happy is such a game

Boxes are floating around myself and I have to check the boxes

If I check the boxes as much as possible, I can be happier

For the past 29 or 30 years, I always think that if you study, if you get 100 points, you get happy

Or if you start working at Google, you'll be happy

There's a thing that I have to do in my life to be happy

It sounds really dick, but 3 years ago, I basically checked all the boxes I can think of

I wasn't happy at all

I couldn't spend time by myself

I just basically didn't feel happy

But I told myself I should be happy because I'm working at a dream company

I have this amazing boyfriend

I have this amazing friend

I'm young

I have these hobbies

But deep down, I was not really happy

I couldn't really admit that

Last year, I became single

I couldn't go to the office because COVID happened

Then I turned 30, which I thought is pretty old

Anyways, I kind of lose the boxes I thought I checked

But actually, I felt happier

Because at that time, I could admit that I wasn't happy

Also, I got to know myself more

And then I have this ownership of my life or happiness

Just to forget about all the boxes that I have to check

That changed me a lot

Minami said this earlier

Let's go back to Google

Even though I achieved a goal, I wasn't really happy

But at Google, you can actually choose your goals

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Even though you couldn't achieve, you actually enjoy the process

All the process that you're doing

You can get feedback from your manager

Or you struggle, but you have a one-on-one with your teammates

All the process, you actually feel that you are working, you're contributing

I think this also applies to life as well

At the end of the day, I think you have to define your own happiness

And then you have to enjoy all the steps to achieve your goal

Enjoy the process also

I always meet person who stop comparing to others

And then trying to talk to themselves

What is the best life you want to have?

What is your happiness?

I always focus on myself

Like you said, I got a life changing experience

I'm more open to people

I don't judge others by their status

I think there are a lot of people who enjoy their life

I agree

I think so

I used to be...

It's hard to explain

Like the other, human being

If you do this, how much you do this

How much you achieve this

I just always compare myself with the others

I do more than you do

This person achieve more than I did

And then I always think, this person is better

I'm better than this person

I didn't want to admit

But recently I thought

It's hard to explain in words

It's like a hexagon

Like a star chart

When you choose a character

HP, strong in attack

Weak in magic

When I played with people

I thought everyone is the same

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Everyone is super logical, super creative

Super intuitive

Super empathetic

Super mechanical

You have to put an end to it

When I took that as a whole

We're all equal

There's no comparison

There's only acceptance and respect

That's what I thought

You can be free from comparison

But I'm a human being

I still compare myself

But I try to change

Yesterday you said something

What?

What are you?

I was the main character

What is that?

The main character is the best

What's the other one?

Like a candidate

Ah, 16 pronouns

I want to be a king

I'm a candidate

That's good too

That's pretty precise

That's exactly like that

It's intuition and intuition

Extravert, introvert

Exactly you said

I'm the main character

You're the main character

2% of the population

You're the main character

You're happy

That's good

I see

Comparison is

For example, when I'm down

In a weird way

There's a way to cheer up

What do you mean?

Compared to the people below

Like

I'm blessed

It's like that

I think it's stupid

I can be better

There's no ceiling

There's no ground

In that sense

Comparison is good

But the real

Truly inner happiness

Is like being 100% yourself

And it's so fucking hard

I see

I don't know about the people

Who can do that much

I don't know

Don't you compare yourself?

What do you mean?

Compared to people

Who are enlightened

I don't think there's a comparison

But people who are enlightened

Only have an objective view

Like what Tomo-san said

People who are married and have kids

Are happy

People who are enlightened

Always enlightenment

Is your perspective

You will never know

It's the only way

You be yourself

There's nothing inside you

I see

The universe is inside you

I see

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That's a good point

As far as you wanna go

No matter where you want to go

The only thing you see is yourself

That's so true

No matter where you go

Like what you really

Talking or

Thinking or

The only thing you're facing

Exactly

Seriously

That's so true

I think so

Especially you

You always think

And talk to yourself

That's how I feel

You always

Tell me what direction I'm going

You always tell me

And I think

You're thinking about yourself

You're facing yourself

Thinking

I might be also good at

Language

Other people

Because you're a candidate

I'm a candidate

I can't tell people

But I'm already

Opening my enlightenment

But they don't know what it is

I see

But I want to explain this

As a candidate

For someone

Who doesn't have this idea

Like being yourself is the important thing

In your life

When you speak the language

It stimulates your brain

The feelings you have

It matches

I think it's great

So I'm a candidate

It makes me feel peaceful

For example

I'm a wedding planner

And there are other wedding planners

There are different kinds

But

I can only do what I make

If I can change it

This person is great

That person is great

So let's work together

I can do that

It makes me feel

Peaceful people

Have peace

By the way

Why your English is so good?

By the way

I don't want to hear it

I want to hear it

You didn't grow up

In the States

But you two are great

You were born and raised

In Tokyo

That's right

In Okinawa

We have many situations

To have English conversation

I don't know

I see so many American people

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Living in Okinawa

If you want to communicate with them

We have a lot of opportunities

If you go for it

So how did you study?

Or you actually

Ex-boyfriend

I studied a lot

When I was trying to get in

University

I already knew all the

Grammars and all the things

But I was so shy to speak up

I didn't think also that

Speaking English is something that

Is required in your life

It's not that important

I've been just escaping

The other day

One of my friends from college

Went to Vancouver

She was saying

If you study abroad

You can just put it on your resume

Maybe you can get more chance

To get hired by

The better company

At the time, my 20 years old friend

Working at an amazing company

Directly leads to your happiness

Just going for a month

If I can write it down to my resume

I'm happy to do it

My parents

I went to Vancouver

It blew my mind

I thought at the time

When it comes to speaking

You need to speak out

You can't be shy

I am shy

But at 20

I don't know

At 20, something blew your mind

What was it about it?

It's just like

Everything in the world

How the world works

What's better, what's not

I went to Vancouver

I had this

Very narrow idea

In the life

I only thought that white people can speak English

Perfectly

When I saw Asian people speaking

Beautiful English

I was like, what?

I didn't know anything about

In the world

I was like, oh wow

There's a lot of things that I haven't discovered yet

And English is a tool that I can

Discover

So I just came back to Tokyo

I was supposed to start

My job hunting

But I just begged my parents again

Let me go back

Let me go to the US

So I just went there

To discover

The world I need

I have to speak

Talk to the other person

Who doesn't speak Japanese

1:00:01

So that I can speak English

I think she made a lot of effort

Yeah

If it wasn't for her

I wouldn't be able to speak

I can't even speak Japanese

Even though I can speak Japanese

Your pronunciation is beautiful

Thank you

I'm working on it

It's like my tongue

My tongue

Doesn't roll like you

When I try to

Say something like a long sentence

I stop

In the middle

It sounds like you're working

At Chili's

I used to work at Hooters

In Ginza

I only worked for a month

I wouldn't say all

Most of the girls working at Hooters

It was interesting

It's another episode

Hooters requires English speakers?

Not really

There's a lot of hot girls

A lot of people are actually

Trying to be an idol

They dance

They have to have big tits

That's already

Push-up

T-shirts

I quit right away

I see

But I think

A lot of people

Learn English

Do you have any tips?

Tips?

When I listen to your podcast

Your grammar is perfect

I understand

The grammar is correct

I think that's important

I don't think you can

Learn that by just putting yourself

In the environment

You have to actually

Have your own time

And then

Proactively

Work on it

So I think

It's important to do that

So you should

Study at school

That's important

1:03:00

Studying at school is important

That's what she said

To put it simply

I'm just a hippie wannabe

So

I just purely admire

Admire? I just love

60s

The late 60s

I love the fashion

I love the music

I love this crazy

Enthusiastic

Crazy era of

60s, 70s

So I just

Love the culture

But at the same time

I start

Feeling that

Especially after the COVID

I think all the values are

Pretty much

Based on the materialistic

And also

I don't know the English

Capitalism

Pretty much

If you

I start feeling odd

I don't really

Feel the connection

Between my real happiness

Tangible happiness

With these

My value that society

Provides you

So what's my happiness?

I just start thinking

Start being more

Spiritual

Spiritual is not like praying God

It's more like go beyond

The materials

I know how it is

But not religion

We talk about it

What is it called?

Spiritual but not religious

Listen to the episode

Really

I listened to the podcast

It's really like that

It's really

So really

When you say spirituality in Japanese

A lot of people are like

Purely

Like

Because if you ask your question

This question

Why were you born?

What's the purpose of you living?

Just thinking about the answer

Isn't that super spiritual?

Because you don't really have an answer

I think that's the spirituality

That we have

We are so afraid of asking

This question

And then having this spirituality

In a daily life

1:06:01

So that we try to make ourselves busy

By going to work

Or do some stuff

So that you can get distracted

Think that you are happy

So

I just try not to

Get distracted by those things

And try to be

On my spirituality

Asking myself

What do I want to be?

So in that sense

Coming back to the

Why I really admired

Hippies

Because I think at the time

In the United States

That was the time that

John F. Kennedy got like

Killed

A lot of Americans

Are like going to

Vietnamese war

A lot of people are dying basically

And then at the time

Most of the Americans

Were

I think manipulated

In the sense that we were

Like right now it's America first

And America is a good country

And this is a happiness

That you can

Buy having

Good house and good families

And cars and TV

But at that time

Hippies start to stand up

And saying isn't that really

The definition of happiness?

Is it really?

Winning the war

Is that really the happiness that we are looking for?

Because a lot of Americans are dying basically everyday

Or buying a house

Is that really the happiness that we are looking for?

And then they

Start saying like love and peace

And

That is really

The essence

And that movement

It's basically counterculture

They just basically put the finger

To the

Thing that

Most of the people believe in

And say no I'm not going to do that

And then they define the other one

In that sense

Yes I try to be hippie

I don't know

1:09:00

I don't know

They are talking about

The same goal

Or the same thing from different

Aspect

And maybe they don't like each other

Or I don't know spiritual people try to

Approach to a scientist

To

Make people convinced

I feel like that is the current trend

Capitalism and

Mainstream

How to convince

The people

To this logic

Science

Proves it

And makes the thoughts

Real

There are a lot of experiments

And evidence

So when I first

Heard the allergy reaction

It will shut you down

From the fact

Or from some new ideas

That you never expected

So

It's the same as before

There are so many

Especially allergy people try to

Convince people

But actually spirituality is in you

You can digest it by yourself only

You don't need to advocate

You should believe in this

You should eat this

Go for a walk

Spirituality is only in you

So accepting

Someone's definition of spirituality

I think so

I have something to say

You asked me

How I use internet

You asked me

I just recently read this magazine

And the title is

Computer and Hippie

It's so interesting because right now the book, the magazine is basically like asking

ourself that so where is a hippie right now and then I thought like hippie in 2021 is

1:12:03

maybe the one who's like eating organic food or I don't know like live in like countryside

and doing 自給自足 but actually the most hippie person is the who is in technology

world like for example like mining the big coinsとか making computersとかなぜかというと

ちょっとこれはふさわしくなかった後にカットしてほしいんだけど

basically like what happened in like late 60s and 70s is that people are basically taking

drugs like they smoke weed and taking LSD so that they can expand their perspective on

the world that they're seeing with your eyes or whatever but like by doing that you see

you have this like different engagement with the outside of your world by doing that with

yourself っていうのをそのドラッグに頼ってやっていたと

but 2021 of course there's a person people who's doing that but we have like more stronger

I would say the approach which is the technology 例えば just just having computer it changed

your 関わり方 relationship with the world you can like access all the information what

you want and then you can talk to the other person who only speak other languagesとか

also like you can basically do beyond that you can only do with your like bare bare hand

だから本当にコンピューター itself is such a psychedelic tools

だからそういうふうに使うべきだと思う

so instead of like going back to what I said like like instead of like your computer is

just giving you adrenaline and you just like sit in front of the computer no you just like

proactively like use the computer and then expand your perspective and kind of rebuild

the new like relationship with this world and in yourself

確かにでもそう考えたら

taking the drug to reach out to your 潜在意識

is now the technology is only one of the options

なんか今瞑想とかもさある特定の周波数を人間に聞かせることでその

状態じゃないけどその

ゾーンに持っていける音が何とか減るつもり7.83とかなんで86とかのでやっぱりやりやすいんですって面白いそうなんだ

そうやっぱその瞑想状態でほぼ右脳を使う時間でこっちがロジカルとか考えるけどここはもう見える視覚から入るものと見えない何か感覚的なもの

結構敏感にするらしくてそこを刺激するための周波数をどうのこうのみたいな

確かにホテルでも瞑想部屋作ってるもんね

1:15:02

あそうなんだなんかこうリラクゼーションのさマッサージとか

まあそのアジアンレストランとかでもそうだけどなんかたまに怪しい怪しいというかこの

あーあれねみたいな流れてる音とかあるじゃん水が流れてる音とかあって

あれってちゃんと目的があって流してる音の周波数の種類で

そうそうそういうのを知るとやっぱめっちゃ面白いし

やっぱ音楽が一番振動になって刺激しやすいって言うから

そのなんかねフェスとかでもさ音楽のジャンルとか違うじゃん

それってやっぱそのビートの刻み方とか音の高さとか低さで多分人間に与える

アドリナリングタイプが違うから音楽が好き嫌いのジャンルがあるんだ

そうだよねわかるわかる

心地いいと感じるものってその

何?

バンドが好きな人とかテクノが好きな人とか

その音楽そのものっていうか多分聞いてる振動に自分の体が反応して

いい感じってなってるのが好きな音楽なのかなと思う

それめちゃくちゃいいねその話いいね

場所に運転してるときとみんなで喋ってるときと

あとダンシングする音は全部違ったりするから

求めてる自分の状態が違うからその時に求めてる周波数が違うみたいな

あるね確かに

It's so interesting like we can talk about it like for good

本当だね

これはもうめっちゃ面白いよね

So we invited Tomoa Ishihara today

She came from Tokyo for the event but she always came for our Iyasasa radio as well

We talked about her you know life so far

There were so many topics

The way she

The environment she works at Googleとか

Like about egg freezingのことも話したし

She changed her perspective when she turned 30っていう話もして

とっても面白かったです

面白かったです

Thanks for having me ありがとうございます

じゃまた沖縄に来てくださいね

遊びましょう

This is all for today

Bye guys

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