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2025-01-28 35:01

#36 We Were Wrong About Everything: Turns Out the Earth DOES Move (Orb Update)

In this episode we return to our favorite new anime of this season, Orb: On the Movements of the Earth, to talk about books on bodies, Jesus’s thoughts about material acquisition, Polish female astronomers, and the mind-blowing concept of daycare… at a concert.

#33 Best Anime about Astronomy EVER?! Orb: On the Movements of the Earth 33 Best Anime about Astronomy EVER?! Orb: On the Movements of the Earth


Chapters

Episode 15 Bodies as Canvases / Texts

Episode 16 Jesus’s Teachings on Wealth

Episode 17 New Chapter: Who Is Draka? 

An Historical Polish Female Astronomer

Episode 18 Jolenta and the Heretic Liberation Front

How Will Orb: On the Movements of the Earth End? 

Kaiju by Sakanaction - Finally Complete! 

Word of the Day - 信念/Shinnen 

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エピソードでは、悪役たちの死に関する複雑なストーリー展開と、情報を隠すために人々の頭に文を書き込むユニークな方法が描かれています。また、歴史的理論やキャラクターの関係に基づく物語が議論され、特に文化的な要素や変化についての考察が行われています。教会に対する反乱の様子や、若い兄弟が富を巡って争い、結果的に教会の腐敗を浮き彫りにするストーリーも展開されます。様々な科学者の考えやロマ民族に関する新たなキャラクターを通じて、知識の継承方法や女性天文学者の重要性が探求されています。ポッドキャスト第36回では、地球の動きを確認し、登場人物やストーリーに対する新たな視点が提供されています。日本のバンドSakanactionがコンサートでリリース予定のKaijuのフルバージョンや、コンサートに親子で参加できるデイケアサービスについても説明されています。さらに、幼稚園についての意見や信念を持つことの重要性が議論され、特にアメリカと日本における幼稚園の運営形態についての比較が行われます。このエピソードでは、アニメのオープニングやエンディングを省略することについての考えや、ポッドキャスト制作に向けた心構えが語られています。

エピソードの概要
And those things seem to go together with the group that's in the show.
All right, great job.
Thanks, Wikipedia.
Welcome back to 2AM OTTACK! I am your host Mayu, a born and raised Japanese non-otaku, and...
I'm your co-host Cisco, an American anime fan with over 30 years of fandom under my belt.
In this podcast, we share our reviews of anime and manga through our distinct perspectives
with commentary on Japanese culture, history, and language.
Cisco, you did a lot of research before our recording.
I don't know if I would say a lot, but I did more research than I have done before other recordings.
I hope you had a great time falling down the rabbit hole.
Oh, I, you know, I support Wikipedia with like a generous donation every year because
of how much I use it. So yes, I opened like seven Wikipedia tabs simultaneously to make
sure I remember the things that I tried to learn.
All right, so today we are going to talk about...
Chi Orb on the Movement of this Earth.
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So we're going to talk about specifically episode 15, 16, 17, and 18.
We have talked about previous episodes, so check the episode out if you haven't watched or heard.
情報の隠し方
So yeah, let's do it.
All right.
All right, so episode 15, there was a lot of twists in there.
The scene happens right after Badeni and Oxy, you know.
You know, what is this dot, dot, dot?
They're dot, dot, dot.
Yeah, yeah, you know, disappear.
Disappear? Are we spoiling things or not?
Yes, we're spoiling.
They're dead.
They're dead.
And Novak is like, just like burned in later.
And then he got like a news about his daughter, own daughter Yolanta,
that she ended up being a heretic and died.
Later in the episode, Badeni basically planned everything beforehand before he burned everything.
He burned like books and then all the notes.
He leaves a note for one of the other priests, I guess.
Maybe they're, it's hard to tell whether the guy is a priest or just a friar,
you know, a brother or a monk.
But Badeni leaves him a note about a book of poetry or classical Greek poetry
that he's been asking about and also asks him to go take care of
like the homeless people they've been giving bread to.
And when he goes there, the homeless people all shave their heads
and show him that Badeni or someone Badeni hired or something
has tattooed the text of Oxy's book about their work onto the back of their heads.
Yeah, it's not Badeni's research.
It's the book Oxy wrote about the research.
And so it's like not the specifics of how it works.
It's like an argument in favor of heliocentrism.
Anyway, it's been tattooed on the backs of their heads.
So when their heads are not shaven, nobody knows it's there.
But when they shave their heads, all of a sudden the text becomes visible.
And that priest, I think, ends the episode with saying like, is it my turn now?
And it's not clear what happens next,
but it's definitely implied that he's going to rewrite the book, essentially,
on the basis of the manuscript that's been left on the heads of the people by Badeni.
So when I saw it, I was like, this is so golden comedy.
Yeah, it really does have that similar thing of like,
we need to hide this information somewhere.
Let's put it on people.
Right.
Which I don't know, to me, just seems like a terrible, terrible idea, honestly.
Like at least here, you know, you lose a page and it's not the end of the world,
but it just feels so likely that at least one of the people that got the book written on them
is going to like die or disappear or move away or literally anything that's going to
make it impossible to like understand what's going on anymore.
So to me, it felt like an enormous risk.
Like, I get that it is a pretty good way of hiding the information,
but it also just feels like so likely to not actually pass down the information accurately.
You know, did it really happen?
No, no, no.
This is firmly in the room.
I mean, I guess like, I don't know.
It's possible that somebody wrote a book about heliocentrism and then they
歴史と理論の探求
tattooed it on the back of some homeless, you know, but no, I don't think so.
Um, I've been trying to like decide what I think the story is based on.
And I've come to like a more firm conclusion that it's not really based on anything.
It seems like if, if anything, the theory that, but that, you know, first Rafal, uh,
you know, the guy who teaches Rafal and then Rafal like refines and puts in the stone box.
And then Badeni finds, you know, years later.
And was there another guy in between Rafal and Badeni?
Who's that?
The coworker who killed like other people too.
He was.
Oh, Oxy's coworker.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he doesn't like add anything to it.
Cause.
Oh yeah, he does.
He, he had been observing Mars.
Right.
Yeah.
But like, he's only in it for like a second.
Like they find the stone box and he's like, this is brilliant.
And then he immediately dies and like, is like, go tell Badeni.
Right.
And then Badeni and Oxy and Yolenta do like a lot of work taking Rafal's work.
Plus the other guy's observations of Mars and like coming up with a much more fully formed theory.
And so if anything, Badeni seems a little bit like Copernicus.
Copernicus came up with a heliocentric theory,
but was so afraid that it would get him in trouble that he never published it.
So he doesn't get killed by the Inquisition.
He just dies a natural death.
And then his work is only published after he's dead.
And lots of people read it.
And he, he went, you know, Copernicus tried really hard to say to the church,
it's just a theory.
I'm not actually believing this because I know it goes against church orthodoxy,
but like a what-if scenario.
And he thought he was helping to like make the church more accurate in predicting stuff.
So there's some similarities, I think,
between him and Badeni in terms of the idea of the research getting published posthumously,
like after his death and in terms of him coming up with like that theory.
But for sure, none of this took place in this way.
And this is a really cool idea.
And I like it, but it's not like a part of history.
I mean, if it's like really golden Kamui way,
like a people can hunt those people kill.
I mean, they're not like a treasure map.
So I don't think it would be necessary to do that.
Right.
Right.
Or if necessary.
Oh God.
Grizzly.
Okay.
Yes.
Well, anyway.
オープニングの変化
And episode 16 has new opening.
New opening animation.
Right.
Starts with Draka.
Yeah.
What did you think?
It's not that different.
I mean, it's different enough that you're like, wow, I haven't seen a lot of these things before.
But this anime is really interesting in that the opening changes a little bit over and over again.
It's really not that consistent.
Like one of my favorite parts was how the scene where Yolanda is walking through the streets at
night and all the lights turn on after Yolanda disappears from the story.
The lights all go out and she's not walking in the street anymore.
And so there are these minor changes to the opening sequence that are really cool.
And over time, you see some characters who are like, who's that?
But then later you're like, oh, I finally know who that is now.
So that's pretty cool too.
And yeah, the new opening focuses more on Draka and Schmidt and the other Heretic Liberation
Front members, I think, as well as Draka's uncle, who's been in the opening since the very
beginning, even though we never knew who he was.
Yeah, it's cool to see those different pieces in there.
And then there's a phrase you hear in this episode when it happens, there's a family
trying to escape from their town.
The dad's brother came in and started talking and eventually killing the older brother.
Yeah.
And when the younger brother came, he said.
The younger brother is asking the older brother why they have to suffer and be poor.
And the older brother's like, because that's the way the world is.
We're peasants.
The nobles do the fighting.
And the younger brother's like, yeah, I get the nobles being rich because they're like
the people who have to fight in the war.
And I get us being poor, but what about the clergy?
教会に対する反乱
The clergy aren't supposed to be rich.
Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich
man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
I remember reading some biblical interpretation that was basically like, there is a gate in
the wall of Jerusalem, which is the smallest gate into the city.
And it's known as the eye of the needle because of its small size.
And so when Jesus says it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle,
what he actually is saying isn't the totally physically impossible feat of a camel going
through the eye of a needle used for sewing thread.
He means if you're like a rich merchant and you're trying to get your camel with all its
stuff on it through the gate in the wall of Jerusalem called the eye of a needle, it's
not going to fit till you take some of the stuff off the camel because the gate's so
small.
And so that's possible.
You can get a camel through that.
I mean, I've never been there.
I don't actually know how big it is, but I assume you can actually get a camel through
the eye of the needle, but you can't get it through with like a bunch of baggage on it.
Like you might have to take that stuff off and then bring it through like just the camel.
And that Jesus's message there is like, if you're rich, you should give away most of
your money to the poor before you die, or you might not go to heaven because you're
greedy.
And so the younger brother quotes this Bible passage at the older brother as a way of saying
the church is corrupt.
So many people in the clergy are rich and powerful, and they're not supposed to be.
I don't think they're behaving correctly, essentially.
And it seems like the village is rebelling against the church and like burning the crosses
and stuff.
The dad is trying to get his family out of the town because he doesn't agree with what
they're doing.
And yeah, eventually the brothers get into conflict and the younger brother kills the
older brother.
It's very Canaan.
Actually, I guess Canaan is the older brother.
It's a little bit Canaan able, although in this case, it's the younger brother killing
the older brother rather than the other way around.
Anyway, point being, yeah, that's what that quote is all about.
And so in this part of the series, we're seeing a lot of rebellion against the church.
And I think this is like my own interpretation, but I think the heretic liberation front that
appears in this segment of the story is probably kind of based on the Brethren of the Free
Spirit, which was a group of Christians who were around in the 1300s ish and continued
through like the you know, up until like the 1400s, who had a lot of opinions and views
that were very different from both the Protestants and the Catholics.
And some of the philosophy that's articulated by Schmidt, the captain of the heretic liberation
front, sounds pretty similar to some of the things that the Brethren of the Free Spirits
believed.
So it's not a one to one.
It's not exactly what they thought, but their sort of disagreements with the church.
They still believed in God, but they had like, a lot of disdain for the Catholic church.
And and those things seem to go together with the group that's that's in the show.
All right.
Great job.
Thanks, Wikipedia.
新たな章の開始
All right, let's talk about Episode 17.
That's the beginning of a new chapter.
Chapter three.
Oh, okay.
Yep.
Does it have a title?
Like chapter three, something, something, something.
I don't remember.
I think it's just say chapter three.
Okay.
Yeah, it's the episode that Draca found the book.
Right.
Oxy wrote the book and then Draca found the book in the drawer.
And then there's a note like she was trying to find who published this or like who wrote
even wrote this when it was published.
But there was no, no information about that.
But it says, make sure to give money to Pototski.
Right.
In case you make money out of it.
Right.
So it's a very like romance, not romance, roman.
Story?
I don't know.
I probably this is Japanese English.
No, like all of these things come from the same root.
But why are you saying it is a roman?
知識の受け継ぎ
Because it is connected with people who sacrificed their lives for Chidousetsu.
And you find that notion sort of romantic in the sense of being like all these people
working together for a greater good is like very inspiring.
Yeah, they've never met before, but they have the same theories.
And then they are like inheriting to whoever wants to inherit next.
Totally.
I think a lot of the story is about that.
This idea that like, you know, ideas can't be killed and are passed from one person to
another and one generation to the next.
And yeah, I think, you know, there's a it's not romantic in the sense of like love between
people, but it's sort of romantic in the sense of like a grand sweeping epic adventure or
like a big notion or idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you want to say anything about that episode?
Well, I think I want to talk about Draka's character a little bit in general.
新キャラクターの紹介
So it seems like Draka is meant to be a like a member of the Romani people or, you know,
or a member of the Roma people rather.
And that's sort of suggested through her skin color and also the description of her tribe
or, you know, her group as being nomadic and sort of like scavenging things from cities.
And the Romani did come through Poland or the Roma came through Poland and I think mostly
converted to Catholicism, or at least the ones who stayed there did.
And as other Western European nations persecuted Roma people more intensely, there was like
more migration towards Poland in a similar way to what happened with Jewish populations.
And medieval Europe.
Anyway, it's not really clear that that's the case, but it certainly seems to be implied.
And so I don't know, I don't feel like I can speak as an authority on whether this depiction
is like reasonable towards Roma people or not, but it's an interesting choice to, you know,
to introduce this new character from like sort of a different cultural background than
the other people we've seen so far and make her like an important main character.
It took me a while to understand that Draco was meant to be female.
That didn't like jump out at me right away.
But it's it's cool that we now have another female character besides Yolanta in the show.
女性天文学者の再評価
Oh, and I need to like super go back and apologize for my comments in the last episode about
Chi where I was like, I don't think there are any famous Polish female astrologers because
that's not true.
And in fact, there is a relatively famous Polish female astronomer, Elizabeth Katharina
Koopman Hevelius, who was married to Johann Johannes Hevelius, who was also an astronomer.
And the two of them worked together to like advance.
I keep saying astrology, don't I?
I mean, I guess in the time period, those two things weren't radically like separate
yet, but they were astronomers and they compiled like a bunch of observations of the stars.
OK, they documented the positions and relevant data for one thousand five hundred and sixty
four different stars, according to Wikipedia, and then published a book.
And the husband died and she published afterwards based on their joint like work in doing this.
So that's kind of a big deal.
And I think she's not even like the only female Polish astronomer.
I think she's like she's one of them.
There's another one whose name I'm blanking on right now, but who has like a statue dedicated
to her in Poland.
So yeah, so I so the character of Yolanta is more plausible than I thought.
I still am going to go ahead and say I don't think it would have been likely that a girl
in her position, meaning like apparently daughter of like a single father who was working for
the Inquisition, would have had like this level of chances.
Like, you know, for example, Elizabeth Hevelius, she was like, you know, the the daughter of
a rich merchant family, which and she was self-taught, like she had access to enough
Latin books to teach herself Latin.
So that doesn't really feel like the kind of environment that the show is implying that
Yolanta is raised in.
But you know what?
You never know.
So anyway, putting it out there.
All right.
And we just finished watching episode 18.
That's the newest episode so far at this point.
新たな視点の提供
What did you think?
I still am like curious to see like where things are going.
I mean, there's a big reveal at the end of episode 18 that are we going to spoil it?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yolanta is back and now she's a middle-aged woman leading the heretic liberation front.
I think the heretic liberation front to me feels like the most ahistorical part of the
show so far.
Because again, like, look, I've been shown to be like someone who doesn't know everything
already this episode, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a heretic liberation front as
like a historical thing in Poland.
There were people who didn't like the Inquisition and there were lots of people who were tortured
or killed by the Inquisition, although the Inquisition itself didn't really like to
torture or kill people.
And there were like rules about not doing those things or like you could torture people,
you could only torture them once.
And so like, did individual people break those rules?
Yeah, I'm sure they did.
But also what usually happened in situations, the Inquisition was the Inquisition would
do like their questioning and then they would hand people over to the secular authorities,
meaning like the police or like the magistrates or whatever, the justicars of the realm.
Those people would take the denounced heretics or the confessed heretics, because a lot of
times people were like, yeah, I'm a heretic.
So what?
And then they would be put to death or tortured or whatever by the like people who served
the king in that area.
And so in Poland specifically, at least some of the Polish kings made confessing heresy
a crime against majesty, being like, if you say you don't believe in the Catholic church,
that is personally offensive to me, the king.
And I'm going to punish you as the king for saying you're a heretic without the specific
authority of the church.
So it's like all that to say, the Inquisition was probably not quite as like judge, jury
and executioner as they are depicted in the show.
And heretic liberation front, I think, is like a fiction for the sake of the story.
All right.
So, yeah, I'm excited about Yolanta being a leader.
Where do you think that's going to go?
That's the thing I wanted to talk about.
Yeah, I just want to tell you, Manga Orb is completed in eight volumes.
Okay.
So it's done.
Okay.
Only eight, tankobon.
We are on chapter three, and there will be the last chapter in manga, at least.
Chapter three is the last?
No, there's a next chapter.
There's a chapter four.
Chapter four, but it's going to be the last chapter.
Okay.
There will be 25 episodes airing in total.
I'm not sure if they're going to finish the whole story in 25 episodes.
Do you think it's going to be like 25 episodes and then Orb the movie?
No, NHK wouldn't do that.
I don't think they're going to run another season.
You think?
Yeah.
I mean, unless the next season is only like three or four episodes long,
I think they are going to finish the story because we're on episode 18,
and we're probably halfway at least through Draka's story.
So I think Draka's story is going to get wrapped by episode 20 or 21 at the latest,
and then you'll have the final chapter be like the last four episodes.
Oh, also, I found the woman I wanted to talk about earlier.
Who?
Maria Kunik, or Maria Kunitz, who was the first woman astronomer active in today's Poland.
She was born in Silesia.
And I think she probably spoke German rather than Polish.
But yeah, she was a very, very brilliant female astronomer who's not even known for her work
with her husband just on her own.
So she's awesome.
Okay.
There we go.
Done.
I kind of read Wikipedia.
And then I don't know if the story is going to be just like a manga.
Mm-hmm.
But there's an explanation.
And I'm sure if you already read Orb, you know what's going to happen in manga.
But yeah, I'm very curious how it's going to end.
Yeah, me too.
Yeah.
I wanted to talk about the opening theme song again.
Okay.
We already talked about opening and ending theme song when we talked about Orb for the first time.
But we told them that the opening theme song Kaiju is not complete yet.
Right.
It was not complete yet.
Correct.
Now it is.
Hell yeah.
But it's not out on the internet.
Sakanactionのコンサートとデイケア
The full version of Kaiju is played in the concert, which was first happened January 25th in Japan.
Mm-hmm.
So, and then it's a tour.
The Sakanaction is going to have a tour.
It's called Sakanaquarium 2025 Kaiju.
Okay.
So it's all about Kaiju, I think.
And then they're going to keep playing surprising audiences.
And I think they're going to release the full version later.
You know what?
Like I found more about Sakanaction and their live because it's amazing.
Okay.
They have daycare.
If you want to go to-
The concert?
Concert place has a daycare.
Oh my god.
Isn't that amazing?
Yes.
That is amazing.
And they even have tickets for like, you know, child and the parents ticket.
Ticket for the child to go to daycare plus-
For the parents to go to the concert?
I mean, if your child, well, first of all, your child has to be older than, you know,
elementary school, I think.
Okay.
And you can buy like combined tickets for you and your child.
To go to the concert together?
To go to the concert.
But if you want to leave your child, you can use their daycare service.
I mean, you have to pay extra.
But like when I googled like how much they're going to charge, it's like one place in Yamagata
has like, oh, it's like one hour is like 500 yen.
Wow.
That's 500 yen?
Yeah.
And the other place in Sapporo offers like daycare says one performance, one concert-
Sure.
Daycare is 2,200 yen.
Like $15?
Yeah, something like that.
Maybe a little bit more.
Still, that's-
During the live concert.
Yeah, that's wild.
I don't think you could get a babysitter for one hour for that much in America.
It's so great.
Yeah.
I don't think it's a thing in Japan.
Having daycare at the live concert.
Yeah, I have never heard of that anywhere, actually.
But it's a great idea.
It is.
I think their Sakanaction's generation is like the generations that are having family or,
you know, kids or like, I think our generation.
They're like old enough to have kids is what you're saying?
Right, but like if you have little kids and no one can take care of them like in the evening,
it's going to make it harder for fans to go.
That's true.
So I thought this was a really great idea.
I don't know if similar things happen in America.
I kind of doubt it.
I guess I don't know because I don't go to that many concerts.
This is the opportunity.
It would take like some persuading for me to feel comfortable dropping my kid off
at a concert's daycare.
Yeah?
Why?
I think like my image of like concerts and like concert adjacent things in the United
States like involves like way too much drug use for me to be like comfortable with like
the notion of like, oh, hi, here's like the daycare for the concert, like leave your kids
with us.
Like if it was run by like an actual daycare, something like maybe, you know, but like
Americans are kind of like picky about their daycare, you know, like you have to like go
and check it out first.
And like, do you trust this place?
But this is for one time.
Yeah.
But I understand what you mean.
You know, like I don't somehow like as an American, the notion of like leaving my kids
with a babysitter, especially one who's like somebody I already know, like, you know, a
younger relative or like a student from like a school that I work at or, you know, that
somebody attends or you know what I mean?
Like somehow you like have a connection or like they live in your building and you've
met them before.
Like the idea of like just going to like a concert and like there being like some quote
unquote daycare people there being like, we'll take your kid for like a couple hours.
I'd be like, no, you won't.
Like they're coming with me in the concert.
I don't know.
Isn't that weird?
Like on the one hand, like daycare is a widespread thing in America.
At the same time, like I don't know that I would trust people I'd never met before to
take care of my kid for a couple hours, like next to a music venue.
幼稚園とその運営
Yeah, I think it'll be too, too expensive in America anyway.
It'd be both too expensive.
Yeah, too expensive.
And just like, I mean, maybe I'm like getting the idea of this wrong.
Like if it's just and like, I also think like daycares don't really operate at nighttime
in America.
Like, yeah, it doesn't end really late.
Well, as I'm saying is like, I mean, I'm sure there are daycares that operate until
like late for like families or parents who have like night shifts jobs or something.
But it's just like this feels like a pop up daycare.
You know, like it's not like a daycare that always operates that happens to be there.
It's like an agent company who runs the concert daycare.
Yeah, but like that's what I mean.
And the one in Yamagata, it's like they already have daycare.
They always have the daycare right there at the concert hall.
It's a daycare that just happens to be next to a concert hall in the in the same building.
Okay, functioning as a daycare.
Okay, that makes that I would feel a lot better about that.
Like this is a regular daycare and we're like paying the people like overtime to stay
until the end of the concert.
Yeah, like maybe.
But again, like even I don't know, even even like a daycare like I would want to like if
I before I like enrolled my kids in a daycare, I would want to like do a tour first to be
like, what kind of place is this?
Are the people who you like higher here qualified?
Okay.
Don't you think?
I guess in America, yes.
Not in Japan.
I wouldn't do that.
Okay.
I mean, I wouldn't do it in Japan either.
I would just be like, yeah, it's fine.
Japan safe.
Everything's everything's okay.
But in America, I'd be like, I need to like vet this first.
You know, otherwise, like, how do you know they're like not totally unlicensed?
You know, there are unlicensed daycares in America.
And like, that seems like mad shady to me.
All right.
Okay, interesting opinion.
信念と価値観
Anyway, I just wanted to say it is just so cool that they decided to include this option.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's do word of the day.
Okay.
Today's word of the day is?
I forgot.
Tell me.
Oh, yes.
Conviction.
Conviction.
But not in the sense of going to prison, in the sense of like a firmly held belief.
This turned out to be a really good choice for episode 18.
Because there is a very long conversation between Draka and Schmidt
about their beliefs in God and stuff and their convictions.
Also, the scene that Draka and her uncle were talking about when she was young,
and the uncle was like, have a belief, a shin-nen.
And my shin-nen is like, I'm gonna like survive.
No matter what.
No matter what.
No matter what it takes.
Which was true for him.
Yeah.
Until he caught like a random sword to the neck.
It sucks.
Yeah, it was like the guy just flipped around.
It wasn't even like trying to hit him.
It's like, nope, there goes your aorta.
It sucks for Draka.
Her uncle died.
I mean, he betrayed her, basically.
Yeah, that part sucked more than him dying, I think, actually.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where he tried to like sell her to like a bishop.
That's horrible.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Instant karma, baby.
And then like Draka's shin-nen is making more money.
Yeah, which is also a terrible shin-nen, honestly.
Well, it might change.
But she's like a pretty committed atheist, right?
She doesn't believe in God at all.
That was really funny.
The moment where they like react and they're just like,
I don't even understand what you're trying to say.
You don't believe in God?
And she's like, yeah, I thought you agreed with me.
Yeah.
It's a very funny moment.
Yeah.
Because it was a totally new idea for him.
Yeah.
And I mean, I think actually that's like a pretty legitimately real thing
that most medieval people would have had a very hard time conceptualizing
somebody who didn't believe in God at all.
And you can tell he's like, he's in the heretic liberation front.
And he's still like, well, I don't know.
But if you don't believe in God at all, maybe you're really a bad person.
アニメ観賞のスタンス
He like tries to assimilate that information, and it's difficult for him.
I was going to ask you what's your shin-nen is.
But I just found.
Oh, what is it?
Your shin-nen for anime is never skip opening and ending.
Yeah.
That's your shin-nen.
For anime watching.
Right.
Yes.
Because like you said it before, like for Orb, the opening changes quite a bit.
I think each chapter, though.
For sure.
Each chapter.
But I think even episode to episode, there's stuff that's different.
Like I think in episode 18, the shot of the town that Yolanta is in in chapter two.
I'm pretty sure for a bunch of them, like all the lights are out.
And then I think in this one, all the lights inside the houses are out.
But there's a torch that's lit on the outside of one of the houses.
I even didn't notice.
Yeah, well, I could be wrong.
Maybe it's always like that.
But I noticed the torch this time and hadn't before.
Then it's like, you know, the hope is still there.
You know, like that was my interpretation.
Anyway, I'm not totally an absolutist about this when the opening or ending theme song
is really bad and the animation doesn't change at all.
I sometimes don't watch it, but I almost always watch it unless I like really can't stand.
ポッドキャストの運営
Like there were some of those Steins Gate Zero ending theme songs where I was just
like, I'm not listening to this again.
I'm not going to watch like a CG of like a cell phone rotating while I listen to a song
I don't even like for like a minute and a half, like not happening.
But yeah, but I almost always watch all of the opening and ending.
Right.
I'll usually watch the opening even if I don't like it.
So that's just in there.
It's one of them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's your name?
Oh, my name?
Yeah.
My name is keep doing this podcast.
Oh, yeah.
As long as I can until I get tired of it.
Okay.
One of those sounds a lot longer than the other.
It's up to how it's going to turn out.
I need more support from listeners.
So describe five stars or else.
Exactly.
It's a lot of commitment.
It takes a long time to edit.
I think the editing is really the part that's hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like planning.
I mean, even planning takes time.
Right.
But yeah, but I decided to do this as long as I can and then, you know, grow the channel.
All right.
Let's keep it up.
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Not only nice comments.
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