日本の英語教育とネイティブの使用法の違い
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Hello.
So once a month, we do this thing where...
Oh, that one, by the way.
What?
The other day we talked about where.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you were like, okay, I'm going to tell you when you, Kevin, when you say where.
Yes.
In an unusual way.
To me.
To most of Japanese people, yeah.
That was it.
So what did I say?
Once a month, we do this thing where we talk about...
Yes.
Yes.
Once a month, we do this thing where we talk about...
So this was a question we had on Kevin's English Room Podcast Plus, right?
Yes, yes, yes.
And it was like, can you explain to me how you would use when?
Where.
Oh, sorry, where.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
その場所以外でのwhereの時、使う時あると思うんですけど、教えてください。
Right.
I was like, what are you talking about?
Yeah.
Oh, then let's do this.
Yes, do that.
Can we?
And Yama-chan, you were like, but Kevin, you use that sometimes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Then I'll tell you when you use it.
Yeah.
And then there you go.
You just...
Yes.
You caught me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
So the original question was, as far as I remember, we learn in school where as in
関係福祉.
Okay.
And that's like, mainly we learned about this is the park where...
Okay.
I play football.
Okay.
とか。
その場所に関して説明をする時に、whereがつくと。
This is the town where I grew up.
Okay.
というのを、we learn in junior high or somewhere around that.
But, including 質問者さん、we sometimes hear like those, including you, native speakers, use where
with not a place, just like you said, we do this thing, where, something, something.
And that's something we are kind of surprised about, because it's not a place, it's the
thing.
So you should...
So for us, like from what we learned, you should use once a month, we do this thing,
that, something, something, or once a month, we do this thing, which とかの方が、I mean, for the test, I guess,
will be まる。
That's something, you know, what we learned in schools.
But true, I heard those, you know, phrases frequently from you and other, you know, TV
shows and everything like that.
So...
Yeah.
That was a question.
I see.
So that was a question.
Yeah.
So let's talk about it here.
Kevinが使用したフレーズ
So the phrase that I said was, we do this thing, where we talk about English questions
we get from listeners.
Yeah.
We do this thing, where.
So, why, where?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We do this thing, where we talk about...
本来、その日本教科書的にも、we do this thing, that.
That.
が、which。
Which とかね。
Which は汎用性が高いから。
That は汎用性が高いから。
Whereの汎用性の高さ
Which は汎用性が高いから。
That のほうがこう、って感じだよね。
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is that right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We do this thing, that we talk about...
That は、which は汎用性が高いからって言ってくれたじゃん。
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We do this thing, that we talk about...
That じゃおかしいですよね、これ。
I mean, sorry,今さ、which のほうが汎用性が高いからって言ってくれた
じゃん。
Well, in Japan, sorry, I said...
I said...
流しちゃったけど。
Okay.
In Japan, that is more...
汎用性が高い。
is what we learned
I know somebody that
I know this food that
in a place that
we do this thing which we talk about
that's surprising to me
because we learn
that is like
usable for everything
that's why we use it frequently in the test
you know in this sentence
WhichとThatの使い分け
that feels
kind of off
yeah it feels kind of off
that's getting more interesting
in the case of which
we do this thing which we talk about
which we talk about
English questions
this is also a little
weird
where is the best
we do this thing which we talk about
English questions
and then the where
what I feel is that
so where describes
place
right
yeah
right
that's how you learn
right
and
so
in the sentence
we're describing
a thing
yeah
quote unquote
activity
okay
yeah
I'm describing an activity
right
an activity
where we talk about English questions
and
I'm talking about
activity where we
yeah where
that's also where
that's also where
right
yeah
so
the activity that I'm describing
it's a place
it's a place
okay
it's a place
I'm here
you're here
and in that place
in that environment
in that space
okay
we're talking about English questions
I see
we're answering questions
from the listeners
wow
that's the place that I'm describing
I see
so I guess that's why
where feels very natural
wow
we're doing this thing
where we
yeah
so to you
you're describing
place
a situation
I
okay
I'm describing a situation
I see
wait
if it was a situation
what's the proper
word to use
situation
for 教科書
in your 教科書
no
it doesn't say
yeah
because situation
if it's
time
then you
use it
when
if it's place
where
somebody
people
who
situation
not articulated
I don't think so
then I guess it's safe to say that
which
yeah
would be
okay
for
yeah
your closest guess is which
yeah
or that
Whereの使い方
because that is
is usable
usable for everything
yeah
I think
yeah
I think when it comes to describing
a situation
where
would be the most proper
wow
I guess that's where you're
kind of like
stuck
like kind of
yeah yeah yeah
I know I said where again
and I know that's where you kind of
but that's like a place right
that's where you stuck
that's
that's the point
where you're stuck
that's a place
so that's a place
yeah yeah yeah
so that's that's
something
you learn in school
yeah yeah yeah
right
yeah so it doesn't say
in the 教科書
it doesn't say the situation
so I don't think so
that's a new information if it's a situation
if it's a situation
it's a where
so like for example like
what's the event about
next Friday
you're hosting right
what's the event about
oh it's a
it's a gathering where
everybody brings their favorite book
and they share
what they think about the book
it's a it's a fun
it's a fun club
come join us
you know
wow
yeah that is
Whereの表す場所
it describes a situation right
like what's going on
I see
in the in the area
in the area
yeah
in the in the room
in the room
yeah
yeah
so yeah so I guess that's
that's why it makes it
like place-ish
idea
I think
I don't know if I should categorize it into the place
rather it's a different pillar
okay
describing the situation
状況を表すWhere
um
I'm not sure how to
wow
understand that
but
but I do think if it's a situation
then it should be where
wow
yeah
it's a
yeah
new info
yeah
wow
well that's a great
um
situation
so
like um
um
what about this like
uh
I'm going to do a presentation
mm-hmm
where
um
many
companies will come and see me
ah
not working
it's
so if you want to say that
it's like
instead of
I'm doing a presentation
it's more like
it's a presentation where many companies come
I see
and
ah
gather
okay
I see
I'm doing a presentation where
I'm joining a presentation where a lot of companies come
ah
I see
yeah
I see
I'm doing
I'm doing
I'm doing
I'm joining
a presentation where a lot of companies come and see me
ah
I see
I see
uh
I'm joining
it's an environment
yeah
wow
I kind of
catch it
yeah
some amount
yeah
interesting
wow
but that's interesting
ネイティブ独特のWhereの使い方
very interesting
right
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